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How come if you get shot you can't make a roll to doge the bullet? i know one thing if someone's shooting heavy bolters at me i sure as hell aint gonna stay still. i remember when i used to play with nerf guns i kept dodgin dars why can't i do the same against a lascanon?

A lascannon fires a strong laser. Let's see you move fast enough to dodge a beam of light!

if not lascanon lasguns, bolt pistols sluggas laspistols grot blastas why can't i dodge those?

Because Lasers (Lascannons, lasguns, etc.) are light. Remember how fast light moves from school? 300,000 KM per second. (I sure hope I'm right on that, or else I will look reeeeaaal dumb). Nerf guns move at...20 feet a second? Maybe? That's kind of a guess.

Alternatively, let me shoot a bullet at you, and AFTER you hear the bullet, dodge it. If you can, I will let you get a roll to dodge everything when we play warhammer together.

not particualry las weapons just all weapons in general

My apologies, everyone. I missed the "Don't Feed the Troll" sign. My vision is rather poor. Notice the glasses that you can't see over the internet.

You can dodge bullets. Lilith Hesperex dodges bullets half the time, as a matter of fact. Dark Eldar unique character.

For the same reason that you only get to take one save, even if you have multiple. It would take too long if you got to make a cover save, followed by a dodge save, followed by your armour save, followed by an invulnerable save. Heck it took too long to type that, I don't want to wait for my opponent to roll that many saves every time I shoot one of his units.

I've always assumed that sort of thing was dealt with by the 'to-hit' roll, the firer's WS determining now well he can anticipate his targets movements as well as his overall marksmanship.

Although I would assume it's mostly do with keeping the dice rolling down, an extra dice for every shot fired would add up.

Surely that is what the "to hit" roll is all about.

The higher the BS the better chance you have of shooting a target that will, presumably, be trying to dodge incoming fire anyway.

Some models (wyches in the previous DE dex, not sure about the current one) can, they get an invulnerable save to represent this.

Melissia wrote:Some models (wyches in the previous DE dex, not sure about the current one) can, they get an invulnerable save to represent this.

I believe DH assassins also have an Invulnerable save as well to the same effect.

Ragnar Blackmane's 4++ is his pure dodge skill.

Imagine standing in power armour against 40 orks charging at you, spraying bullets in every direction, id like to see you dodge some bullets.

i remember when i used to play with nerf guns i kept dodgin dars why can't i do the same against a lascanon?

Man... For one thing, a nerf dart is moving at a FRACTION of the speed that even a normal bullet moves at. That's why normal people today can't dodge those.

Despite it being one of my favorite bands in high school, not all of our minis are The One.

TNM wrote:How come if you get shot you can't make a roll to doge the bullet? i know one thing if someone's shooting heavy bolters at me i sure as hell aint gonna stay still. i remember when i used to play with nerf guns i kept dodgin dars why can't i do the same against a lascanon?

They should make a rule that lets you, say, fall to the ground in response to getting shot at. Then you'd get a +1 bonus to your cover save (but have to take another whole turn to get up). I think that would work nicely.

honorguard wrote:

TNM wrote:How come if you get shot you can't make a roll to doge the bullet? i know one thing if someone's shooting heavy bolters at me i sure as hell aint gonna stay still. i remember when i used to play with nerf guns i kept dodgin dars why can't i do the same against a lascanon?

They should make a rule that lets you, say, fall to the ground in response to getting shot at. Then you'd get a +1 bonus to your cover save (but have to take another whole turn to get up). I think that would work nicely.

That would be an awesome rule

...Going to ground?

That would be a pretty good name for it.

TNM wrote:How come if you get shot you can't make a roll to doge the bullet? i know one thing if someone's shooting heavy bolters at me i sure as hell aint gonna stay still. i remember when i used to play with nerf guns i kept dodgin dars why can't i do the same against a lascanon?

Obvious troll, right?

You know what, how about you go join the Army, and then on your first deployment see how easy it is to dodge a bullet, you let us know when you find out the answer.

or I have safer way, let see dodge Airsoft gun, something that goes about half the velocity of a normal gun

Retrias wrote:or I have safer way, let see dodge Airsoft gun, something that goes about half the velocity of a normal gun

...eh, I liked my way better

Retrias wrote:or I have safer way, let see dodge Airsoft gun, something that goes about half the velocity of a normal gun

Half ? 1/10th is more accurate.

fortunately the world of 40k isnt like The Matrix.

And rolling to hit means how accurate the firer thats why they use the BS. Not the Initiative of the target!

Invulnerables would probably cover it better, but then theres very few models which are actually fast enough to jump out of the way of a beam of light.