Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Elite Choice
Squad 1-3 Predators 175Pts ea

WS5 BS5 S5 T5 I5 W3 A4 LD10

Stealthy
Scout
Infiltrate
Move Through Cover
Fleet
Acute Senses
Furious Charge

Hunter Helm
Gives Acute Senses and subtract 1 from enemies cover save when shooting

Hunter Armor
2+ 4+/inv
Units wishing to fire upon a Predator must make a successful Night Fight sight check at a -3" mod

Weapons

Plamsa Accelerator Assault 3 STR6 AP 2 24"RNG +15pts
Monofiliment Net Assault 1 STR4 AP 3 Blast Pinning 18"RNG +10pts
Hunter Spear Assualt 1 Str6 AP2 May choose which model is wounded 12"RNG +10Pts

Melee Weapons
x2Claws Rending Powerweapons +1A
Hunter Spear Two-Handed Powerweapon +1Str +2D6Pen

Special Rule

Trophy Hunter - Any Independant Character Killed by the Predator Squad count as either a Captured Objective or an Extra Kill Point

Upgrades

Predator Prime - Up to one Predator may be uprgraded to Predator Prime for+50Pts +2WS, +1A Preferred Enemy and makes the squad Stubborn
Self Destruct, once slain, immediately blows up in a 2D6" Radius Str8 AP2

Predator Hunter - Up to one Predator may be uprgraded to a Predator Hunter fr +35Pts may take the following

1-5 Hunting Beasts +20Pts ea

WS5 BS0 S5 T3 I5 A2 Ld10 4+Sv

Claws and teeth (Rending)

Booby Traps - May lay down 18square inches of dangerous terrain, determined on paper BEFORE Deployment

ouch.. that's a lot of pain....
but a lot of eggs in one basket, so it balances out.
What army are they for i think 'nid or tau, but you could justify them as mercenaries in pretty much any army.

Yeah,tau most likely, I was thinking about allowing an upgrade to a Predator Prime and Predator Hunter, the prime would get preferred enemy and reroll wounds and the hunter would get 1-4 "hounds" of some sort. dont know what the points would be, just been thinking about it for awhile.

Predators can't be with Nids...because Nids are copies of aliens and they are enemies

Tau could certainly use some beefed up help...But heck, just create a new faction.

Hmmm s5/t5 and armour 2+ aint right. From the movies we can deduce that they are significantly stronger than a man but not capable of ripping a man limb from limb. They are certainly no tougher or stronger than a space marine. As for the 2+ armour that is a bit silly really i would say just go with a 4+ invulnerable. I think you should look up the old Aegis suit rule for the stealth ability the current one is a bit good. Edit monofilament nets already exist in 40k they are ALWAYS ap-. Take note.

Perkustin wrote:Hmmm s5/t5 and armour 2+ aint right. From the movies we can deduce that they are significantly stronger than a man but not capable of ripping a man limb from limb. They are certainly no tougher or stronger than a space marine. As for the 2+ armour that is a bit silly really i would say just go with a 4+ invulnerable. I think you should look up the old Aegis suit rule for the stealth ability the current one is a bit good. Edit monofilament nets already exist in 40k they are ALWAYS ap-. Take note.

Totally agree about the armor save. It didnt look like he had any armor on at all. I would say S5 T4. Str5 is not THAT strong, but Arnie did beat one up. I cant imagine Arnold Schwarts being any tougher than a SM (unless he actually is the T-800).
I would give them veil or tears ala harliquins(cannot target them unless you are within 2d6*2) Maybe even make it 3d6?
In addition they should have stealth +2, so even brush or trees would give them a rather nice cover save.
They would also have the hit and run special ability

In CC give him a 4++ dodge save

The rest of the special rules look a little rough to me.

From what i've seen, they don't tend to give in easily, even when wounded, perhaps FNP might suffice?

The self-destruct I can see working similarly to the Tau Failsafe Detonator. Again, from what i've seen, the self-destruct is set by the Predator himself, so should only work if his last wound is removed by a weapon that did not cause him instant death or otherwise remove him from the table as a casualty; if he's killed by instant death or removed from play as a casualty, it represents him being blasted apart; he'd have no time to set the detonator. I'd also make it use the LBT as opposed to 2D6".

Yeah, and no dice on the rending pw claws. I really doubt they would even get Pw, let alone rending. Just in general, this is pretty out there. I mean, do you really see a predator as being as much above a space marine as a space marine is above a guardsman? How about this

WS 5 BS 4 S 4 T4 I 4 W 2 A 3 Ld 9 Sv 4+
1-4 Predators per unit 70 pts each
Scout, Move Through Cover, fleet
Combat Skills - In Assault, the Predator's 4+ save becomes invulnerable.

Camo Field - Grants the stealth special rule and a 5+ Cover save even when in the open.

Hunter's Helm - grants acute senses, may make a special "aim" attack, with the following profile 18" S- Ap - Assault 1* - the next shooting attack from the predator ignores cover saves, or if instead the predator assaults the target, it counts as having assault grenades.

Masters of the Hunt - against an Independent Character or Monstrous Creature, the Predator may reroll wound rolls in the first round of an assault. Any wounds inflicted against IC or MC count double for combat resolution.

May choose any 3 of the following weapons or items

Pair of Wrist Claws - may reroll missed to hit rolls in Assault, +1 A 5 pts

Telescoping Spear - two handed, +2 Strength - may be used as a shooting weapon 12" S 4 ap 5 assault 1
10 pts

Power Disc - may not gain attacks for having two CC weapons unless it is two Power Discs - Rending Attacks, +2 Attacks if used as a pair.
may be used as a shooting weapon 18" S 4 ap 4 assault 1(2 if you have a pair) 15 pts, 25 for a pair.

Shoulder Blaster - 24" S5 Ap 3 Assault 2 10 pts

Net Launcher - 18" S3 ap 5 Assault 1 Blast, pinning. If any wounds are taken, the target unit must make it's next move as if it were in difficult terrain. 10 pts

0-1 Healer Kit - gives unit the Feel No Pain rule 15 pts

0-1 Doomsday Bomb - if predator looses his last wound, every model within 2d6" must pass an Initiative test or take an automatic ap 3 wound. This is negated if the Predator is killed by an attack that causes Instant Death 20 pts

1 Predator may be upgraded to Blooded Veteran
This Predator gains +1 Ws, +1 I, and +1 W. He also gains the preferred enemy rule against any one type of enemy (ie beasts, infantry, MC, etc) 40 pts

Bromsy wrote:Yeah, and no dice on the rending pw claws. I really doubt they would even get Pw, let alone rending. Just in general, this is pretty out there. I mean, do you really see a predator as being as much above a space marine as a space marine is above a guardsman? How about this

WS 5 BS 4 S 4 T4 I 4 W 2 A 3 Ld 9 Sv 4+
1-4 Predators per unit 70 pts each
Scout, Move Through Cover, fleet
Combat Skills - In Assault, the Predator's 4+ save becomes invulnerable.

Camo Field - Grants the stealth special rule and a 5+ Cover save even when in the open.

Hunter's Helm - grants acute senses, may make a special "aim" attack, with the following profile 18" S- Ap - Assault 1* - the next shooting attack from the predator ignores cover saves, or if instead the predator assaults the target, it counts as having assault grenades.

Masters of the Hunt - against an Independent Character or Monstrous Creature, the Predator may reroll wound rolls in the first round of an assault. Any wounds inflicted against IC or MC count double for combat resolution.

May choose any 3 of the following weapons or items

Pair of Wrist Claws - may reroll missed to hit rolls in Assault, +1 A 5 pts

Telescoping Spear - two handed, +2 Strength - may be used as a shooting weapon 12" S 4 ap 5 assault 1
10 pts

Power Disc - may not gain attacks for having two CC weapons unless it is two Power Discs - Rending Attacks, +2 Attacks if used as a pair.
may be used as a shooting weapon 18" S 4 ap 4 assault 1(2 if you have a pair) 15 pts, 25 for a pair.

Shoulder Blaster - 24" S5 Ap 3 Assault 2 10 pts

Net Launcher - 18" S3 ap 5 Assault 1 Blast, pinning. If any wounds are taken, the target unit must make it's next move as if it were in difficult terrain. 10 pts

0-1 Healer Kit - gives unit the Feel No Pain rule 15 pts

0-1 Doomsday Bomb - if predator looses his last wound, every model within 2d6" must pass an Initiative test or take an automatic ap 3 wound. This is negated if the Predator is killed by an attack that causes Instant Death 20 pts

1 Predator may be upgraded to Blooded Veteran
This Predator gains +1 Ws, +1 I, and +1 W. He also gains the preferred enemy rule against any one type of enemy (ie beasts, infantry, MC, etc) 40 pts

I like this writeup much better then the first one.
This could make for some great Killteam scenarios, but I just don't see Yatja forming real armies the way other races do, at most it'd be a ship, a few elders and at most two or three dozen hunters.

I think a space marine would be able to slap around a predator with relative ease. In the literature, fairly skilled humans were able to contest and defeat predators in hand-to-hand combat. They are larger and stronger, but it is not as one sided as many people think. In one case, in unarmed ritual combat, a human female wiped the floor with her predator opponent and only loss due to cheating by one of the predator’s buddies who tripped her on the sly.

I am also pretty sure that a modern age armored vest was able to absorb the shot of a shoulder blaster – sent the guy flying but it didn’t penetrate. Also all their blades are just really tough and sharp, which probably just puts them on par with the knives, bayonets, and other blades used by the imperium, if not than eldar blades, which count as normal close combat weapons. When a group of predators goes up against a group of human marines (Alien franchise) the humans are fairly capable at taking out the predators. I remember one encounter where Arnold’s character’s brother went to Russia and wracked up something like five predator kills.

Predators do pack together to do things like abducted an alien queens from a hive and there are communities living aboard space vessels, with a first class citizen as the hunters and a second class as the guys who do everything else. Rule wise I would start with kroots and tweak them a bit. Plus one toughness, tau stealth suit, maybe fleet.

I've read alot of the Predator Books and Aliens vs Predator comics/novels and some of this is blending their fluff together. As far as the rules go instead of giving them every weapon that Predators have had in the movies give them options to be able to choose 1 cc weapon or 1 ranged. There are also actual ranks that the Predators go through that can be found through google.

In the canon the hunting beasts aren't used by the Predators they're used by the Killers who are a differant faction of the same species without the moral code of the Predators. The Predators and the Killers actually do wage wars a large part being because instead of hunting them the Killers have learned how to domesticate the Aliens and use them to kill. The Predators see the using of beasts to hunt as disshonorable and woulden't do it, in fact the "Predators" from the movie Predators are apart of the seperate faction and even look slightly differant to show this.

Now with what was said about normal humans being able to beat predators keep in mind that arnold only won his fight because he dropped a rock on the Predator and even that didn't actually kill it. And the female character (if I remember right her name is like christina noguchi or something) fought an unblooded predator by using her training that she learned from the Predators after spending years with them and she used her speed versus his strength, she was not an average human. There is also a Native American man (I forget his name) who was apart of the army and was stationed in the South West when a predator attacked and he eventually killed it using the wilderness skills taught to him by his grandfather. That being said Predators see humans as the ultimate prey because they are intelligent and only experienced members are allowed to hunt humans alone. And female predators which haven't been shown in any of the movies are actually bigger and stronger then the males.

Now predators do use armor but the amount depends on what you consider canon. From the books and movies they wear very little armor (and nothing that generates a force field so I'm not sure where an invulnerable save is coming from), but in the video games there are predators who wear full suits of armor and these predators are specifically labeled as being used during war.

Just thought I'd clear up some of the things being said and I highly doubt that a Sm would be able to just beat the crap out of a Pred, they'd be pretty close

I would make a Predator WS5 BS5 S4 T4 W2 I5 A3 LD9 SV6+/4++
A Predator Champion is WS6 BS6 S4 T4 W2 I6 A3 LD9 SV6+/4++
A Predator Major Hero is WS7 BS7 S5 T4 W3 I7 A4 LD10 SV6+/4++

I like all of the other stuff in the OP though. Predators should be bought in squads of 1-3, with one being able to be a Champion OR a Major Hero

@Bromsy. Those rules are immense!!! I have a sneaky suspicion you had these bouncing around for a while.
Not to say your rules arent cool Thunder but i think Bromsy's are more 'Predator' for me. (Note: i am speaking about Predators not 'Yautja' or whatever they are in the comics or Novels)

Perkustin wrote:@Bromsy. Those rules are immense!!! I have a sneaky suspicion you had these bouncing around for a while.
Not to say your rules arent cool Imbad but i think Bromsy's are more 'Predator' for me. (Note: i am speaking about Predators not 'Yautja' or whatever they are in the comics or Novels)

I didn't really give any rules? I just gave some information on them based off of their back story depending on how accurate the Op wanted to be.

Although I did write what I said about the weapons wrong I ment they should just be able to choose 1 cc weapon and 1 ranged weapon. And the Predators and Yautja are the same thing, Predators is just what humans call them.

Why do people keep assigning them invulnerable saves? They've never shown any of the kind of things (force fields mostly) that invulnerable saves represent. Or is it a 4++ in CC thing like Bromsy's?

I like Bromsy's for the most part. Med kit is undercosted (same wargear in the IG book is 30 points).

Camo field should have it made explicit that stealth does or doesn't stack with the 5+ (I assume it doesn't), or it'd be used for endless rules lawyering by the RAW crowd.

The base points seem a bit high, especially since there's no weapons in the base points.

Yeah, the stealth wouldn't stack. Hows about the low cost of the medkit being balanced out by the base points being high, especially with no weapons? Maybe we divide the weapons up as
each predator may choose from the following

1 - Pair of Wrist Blades, Telescoping Spear, or Power Disc/Pair of Power Discs

0-1 Shoulder Blaster or Net Launcher

0-1 Healer Kit, Doomsday Bomb, or Great Trophy - only one of each may be taken per unit.

Great Trophy 25 pts, may only be taken by a blooded veteran - A unit of Predators with a Great Trophy count as scoring an additional wound in all Assault Phases, and become Stubborn.

Much more in line with the 5th edition style.

Oh, the crossbow is missing from the ranged weapons, though its kinda redundant with the shoulder blaster.

@Imbad sorry thought you were the OP.

You could make it so that it's cloaking makes it invisible in area terrain up to 12", and shooting only can hit the Predator on a 6.

Also, if they get Predator Hounds, then Kroot Hounds would work wonders.