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Another year of the Broadside Bash has come and gone. This is a GT event, 2 days, 5 games and is a Golden Ticket event as well.

However, it is also the most soft score heavy GT event in the country, to my knowledge.

To give you an idea of what I meant, the actual spread of battle points you could earn in the game was 20, only 19% of the actual points. Painting was 37 points, sportsmanship 5, 5 points per favorite player votes, comp 3 points, etc.

It is more of a hobby event, than a real tournament, IMO.

That said, it is still a really fun event and worth going to.

For more details on the structure of the event and a more thorough breakdown of the scoring and missions, check out Blood of Kittens http://bloodofkittens.com/ in the next few days for my review article.

In short, I had "lost" tournament before it even began. Why? because my army didn't get the "Hardcore" award which was essentially a comp score. 3 points for what judges felt was a fluffy army. I also didn't get my army list in on time (another 2 points) and I didn't have a display board (3 points).

Before a die was rolled, I was down 8 points, the same as getting 2 massacres. Best overall was out!

So I was going for best general as I normally do. That hope died quickly as you will soon see!

Here is a picture of me, Wonder Woman (who was doing promotions at the con) and Josh, one of two member of my Pit team! He and his brother Harrison were my little amigos this tournament. Their Dad was playing Fantasy and they decided to hang out with me. They kicked butt, rolling dice, making sure to rub a lucky wolf tail on them to keep them hot, making sure I always had a fresh beer on the table. Couldn't have asked for a better couple of helpers!

Wonder Woman was just hot. Really hot. She did the costume justice. I dang near lost a game while staring at her which you will read about in a minute!

Game 1

I brought the trusty Bjorn Wolves as I didn't have time to finish my Bugs.

My list: the Trusty Bjorn Wolves

Bjorn Wolves 2000 Points
Unit Description Size Cost
HQ
Bjorn P.Cannon 1 270
Rune Priest JotWW, Storm Caller 1 100

Troops
Grey Hunters Flamer, Razorback, A.Cannon 6 150
Grey Hunters Flamer, Razorback, A.Cannon 6 150
Grey Hunters Melta, Lazorback 6 155
Grey Hunters Melta, Razorback 6 120

Elites
Dreadnought L.Cannon, H.Flamer 1 145
Dreadnought L.Cannon, H.Flamer 1 145

Fast Attack
Land Speeder Typhoon 1 90
Land Speeder Typhoon 1 90
Land Speeder Typhoon 1 90

Heavy Support
Long Fangs M.Launcher x 5 6 140
Long Fangs M.Launcher x 5 6 140
Long Fangs M.Launcher x 5, Lazorback 7 215

Totals 50 2000


Opponent: Doug
Army: Da Red Crushas led by Warboss Led Foot
Mission: 3 objectives along a diagonal line equidistant from one another. Middle objective is worth 2 points per game turn, far objectives worth 1 point per game turn.

HQ
Warboss Led Foot: Eavy Armor, Pole, Cubork, Klaw, Shoota
Mek Nitro: KFF, Klaw, Grot Oiler

Troops
Nobz x 6: Painboy, Cyborks, Klaw, Big Choppa, Pole
Battlewagon: Deff Rolla, Grabbin Klaw, Red Paint, Boarding Plank, Big Shoota x 2
Boyz x 19: Nob, Klaw, Eavy Armor, Rokkit
Battlewagon: Deff Rolla, Grabbin Klaw, Red Paint, Boarding Plank, Big Shoota x 2
Boyz x 19: Nob, Klaw, Eavy Armor, Rokkit
Battlewagon: Deff Rolla, Grabbin Klaw, Red Paint, Boarding Plank, Big Shoota x 2
Boyz x 19: Nob, Klaw, Eavy Armor, Rokkit
Battlewagon: Deff Rolla, Grabbin Klaw, Red Paint, Boarding Plank, Big Shoota x 2
Ard Boyz x 12: Nob, Klaw, Pole, Rokkit
Trukk: Red Paint, Ram, Boarding Plank, Rokkit
Elites
Fast
Buggy: Rokkit
Deffkopta: Rokkit, Buzzsaw
Heavy


So this was pretty much the worst possible missions match up for me. I play Orks a lot with my Wolves and my tried and true tactic is to start deployed in a castle and then back up and spread out. I don't want to be anywhere near his units with my fragile shooty units.

He won first turn, and moved onto all of the objectives turn one. To get a massacre all he needed was 3 points, which he would have had immediately. Then, all he would have to do would be to sit on them for the rest of the game and win. So, I had to immediately go towards him to contest the objectives which meant my units were running forward into the Deff Rollas instead of shooting.

You can probably guess how well that went over. I got my ass kicked! Tabled! I have never been tabeled before in a tournament game, hahaha, oh for shame!

Not only was this mission match-up a complete kick in the nuts, my opponent had red hot dice. He failed 2 KFF saves all game. Everything that needed to go his way, did. It was ugly, the game was seriously over on turn two.

Oh well, my ego was bruised at receiving such an ass kicking but unless I had gone first and his KFF saves were average or lower, I didn't stand a chance. This was a very poorly designed tournament mission as it created such big missmatches. I think this mission would be fun in casual play, but not for a big GT.

My opponent was nice enough to give me a hug after the game, though! Hahaha, I needed some TLC after that reaming.

Ugh, missions like that are what keep me from the BSB, unfortunately, even though it is 20 minutes from my house. It is a shame because I really like Kurt and those guys. I just know myself too well, and those missions totally poison the experience - even if I am the one with the auto win.

Game 2
Opponent: Russel and his Stormwolves (Vlka Fenryka)
Mission: Hold 6 objectives to massacre, less for minor down to tie. Pitched Battle Deployment

HQ
Harkkon Thundercrow (Rune Priest): Jaws, Living Lightening
Roand Frostfire (Wolf Priest): Melta Bombs

Elites
Wolfguard x 10: 1 with fist, 2 with power weapons attached to grey hunters, 7 in termie armor with a mix of storm shields, hammers, heavy flamer, etc.

Troops
Grey Hunters x 8: Melta, power weapon
Rhino
Grey Hunters x 8: Melta, power weapon
Rhino
Grey Hunters x 8: Melta, power weapon
Rhino
Grey Hunters x 5
Rhino

Fast
Typhoon
Typhoon

Heavy
Vindicator: Dozer
LRC: M.Melta
Long Fangs x 6: M.Launcher x 5

Wolves on Wolves!

I got first turn and alpha struck my opponent pretty hard. He realized he couldn't trade broadsides with me and decided to bum rush me, which was honestly his best hope. So he charged headlong into my guns hoping to cripple enough of my scoring units to deny me a massacre.

My army is very powerful but it is also very unforgiving, especially in a game like this where you need all of your troops to live. As I redeployed firing into him, Wonder Woman (see above) came over to chit-chat and I made a total bone head move. I deployed two units of troops out of their Razorbacks right in front of his LRC with an assault termie squad and Wolf Priest in it! Doh!

So by the time I realized what I had done, it was way too late. But, by pure luck, Bjorn was in range of the tank and so I charged it with him and the Grey Hunters and by pure luck, Bjorn managed to hit it (needing 6s) and stun it. Since it didn't have extra armor, it couldn't move and my boys were covering all the doors so the deathstar inside couldn't get out! Bullet dodged. The rest of the game my boys spread out to claim two objectives while still keeping the Termies stuck in their metal box.

My opponent almost got back in the game when he charged in with his Grey Hunters on my weak flank and managed to engage a number of units. This kept him safe from shooting and he I was out of range to contest the objectives he was on. So, last turn, I sent all of my Typhoons flat-out onto his objectives and he failed to destroy any of them, which gave me the Major Win.

Lady luck deserted me the last game but came back to me this one. She is fickle!

I had a couple buddies head down for BSB cool to see some reports coming out of the event.

@Somnicide
Yeah, that mission was just bad. UNless it was two shooty or two assault armies playing each other it was a terrible match up. Some armies are not designed to go at one another.

But hey, it is what it is. I came to this event knowing it would be wonky and weird and just drank a lot of beer and laughed it up with friends. I didn't look at it as a tournament.


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@Huckelberry
Yeah man it was fun, I probably met some of your buddies there.

How do you think would have change your first game if the mission was something else? List wise, your list was merely a pure spam of MLs. You have absolutely no way to stop AV14, no countercharging units (TWC), and no traffic blocking capability.
Personally, I don't like the list you are taking.

That first mission if your opponent goes first and camps out on some of the objectives you'll find yourself in a deep hole real quick - the only way to win in that situation is to table your opponent, which might not be possible. As such I'm not a nif fan of that particular mission. You lost pretty much from the start. Nothing you can do about it either.

Game 3
Opponent: Chirs' Amurikan Orks
Mission: Modified Victory Points. Destroy a unit completely to get it's VPs. Spearhead deployment.

Chris' List from memory

HQ
Warboss: Klaw, Pole
Mek: Shokk Attak Gun

Troops
Boyz x 20: B.Shootas x 2, Nob, Pole, Klaw
B.Wagon: Red paint, Deff Rolla, B.Shootas
Boyz x 20: B.Shootas x 2, Nob, Pole, Klaw
B.Wagon: Red paint, Deff Rolla, B.Shootas
Nobz x 6: Cyborks, Diversified, Painboy, Klaw x 2
Trukk: Red Paint, Rokkit
Boyz x 12: Nob, Klaw, Rokkit, Pole
Trukk: Red Paint, Rokkit

Elites
Lootas x 12

Fast
Deffkoptas x 6: B.Shootas

Heavy
Big Guns x 3: Kannons


This game was a turkey shoot.

I went first, and on turn 1, killed both Battlewagons a Trukk and all of the Deffkoptas. By turn 2, the lootas were gone and the last trukk was dead. By turn three, the rest of his boys were stuck on my dreads and the game was wrapped up.

His dice were terrible. He made like 1 cover save on his vehicles.

Chris is a good dude though and took it in stride. When your dice crap out on you like that, what can you do? Had he gone first he would have had a chance, but losing all of your vehicles in your own deployment zone before they go anywhere is pretty crippling.

Massacre to me.

Reecius wrote:@Somnicide
Yeah, that mission was just bad. UNless it was two shooty or two assault armies playing each other it was a terrible match up. Some armies are not designed to go at one another.

But hey, it is what it is. I came to this event knowing it would be wonky and weird and just drank a lot of beer and laughed it up with friends. I didn't look at it as a tournament.

Yeah I may have to view it as that next year and go. It's not a tourney, it is a chance to hang out with friends and play wacky games.

I was way psyched to see that my friend Fred got best in Fantasy.

@Afrikan Blonde
Yeah it was pretty crappy. That mission was made for assault armies. They plop on the objectives turn 1 and it is over. My friend's Daemon army laughed. He deep struck onto them turn on and his opponent had to go at his bloodcrushers and great daemons! Hahaha, that is just not a good design.

@Striderx
Haha, what's up dude. I am going to name you captain positive! You always have something nice to say.

Well, my army is actually a GT winning army, so I think it is doing OK. Against BattleWagon spam, I can get side armor shots pretty easily with my mobility and my las cannons, melta guns and dreads which can punch from the front. I play these types of lists frequently and I have never lost to them before. But, I have never had to run towards them, either.

I have played Land Raider spam lists, too, and have not lost to hem either. Strength 8 can Immobilize an AV14 vehicle which is often as good as killing them.

Thanks for being a ray of sunshine like usual!


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@Somnicide

Yeah it was a good, fun weekend. Anytime I get to play 40K with friends is a good day for me, so I just laughed it off.

Game 4
Opponent: Doug's Blood Angels
Mission: Table Quarters. Most scoring units in a quarter claims it. Spearhead.

HQ
Mpehiston
The Sanguinor

Elite
Priest
Priest: J.Pack, M.Bombs

Troops
Assault Squad x 8: Meltagun, m.bomb, p.fist
Assault Squad x 5: Meltagun, Lazorback, p.weapon
Assault Squad x 5: Meltagun, Lazorback, P.fist
Assault Squad x 5: Meltagun, Lazorback, p.weapon

Fast
Baal: H.Bolter Sponsons
Baal: H.Bolter Sponsons

Heavy
Vindicator: S.Shield
Vindicator: S.Shield

So, a tough list but the table was so, so, so bad for him. There was almost no terrain on it and no LOS blocking terrain. It was like the perfect board for my army. Elevated firing positions in the back and clear lanes of fire across the board.

He had first turn and moved everything forward popping smoke. My first round of shooting was atrocious. Every shot was a 1 or 2 on the armor penetration table, I never even damaged one of his vehicles.

His next turn he moved in again and damaged some of my units which fire on the way. Luckily I shut down Mephsiton's wings with my Rune Priest.

Then my luck took a big turn and I just started popping vehicles left and right. By turn 4 there wasn't much left. His last hope was Mephiston and the Sanguinar who made it to my lines. Meph chopped a tank in half and the Sanguinar was in range to charge with a single wound left. In my turn my Rune Priest got out and.....Jawsed Meph. Ouch.

My opponent had enough at that point as he only had a few models left and we called it at the bottom of my turn. If there had been even a decent amount of terrain on the board he could have really gotten into me with that army, but he just had nowhere to hide.

He was a super cool dude though, and it was fun to play him.

Reecius wrote:
@Striderx
Haha, what's up dude. I am going to name you captain positive! You always have something nice to say.

You can't accept comments? I mean really if I know you can't, then I probably wouldn't have commented. To be honest, it was a comment targetted at the list, not you.

Reecius wrote:Well, my army is actually a GT winning army, so I think it is doing OK.

Which GT? I may have missed it.

Reecius wrote:Against BattleWagon spam, I can get side armor shots pretty easily with my mobility and my las cannons, melta guns and dreads which can punch from the front. I play these types of lists frequently and I have never lost to them before. But, I have never had to run towards them, either.

Meltas are useless against orks because by the time you are within range, the transports have already done their job. Aside from the speeders who can move 12 and fire, no one else can. 6 MLs, 4 hits, 2 pen/gls, 1 unsaved by KFF. That's barely enough. Of course, you have a couple of LCs shooting on the front and a bunch of MLs, but that's hardly reliable on Av14. On average, the statistics are not too bad, but problem is being purely shooty, you can't afford to roll below average in your first 2 turns shooting. Once that happens, you have nothing to tarpit against assault elements. That's what makes it less ideal.

The internet has spoken, Reecius. Your list sucks and all your wins are negated.

Somnicide wrote:The internet has spoken, Reecius. Your list sucks and all your wins are negated.

I m not sure why trouble makers like you prefer to stir flames instead of engaging in healthy discussions in the forum.
If you are not interested, you are free not to participate, isnt it?

Game 5
Jason's Wolves: Volker de Lupine
Mission: The game ends when one player gets half the other player's KPs plus 1. Nightfight turn 1.

HQ
Logan
Rune Priest: Chooser of the slain, l.lightening, murderous hurricane
Wolf Priest

Elites
Dreadnought: M.melta, Dread drop pod (FW model), wolf tooth necklace

Troops
Wolf Guard x 5: Termies, assorted assault weapons and a cyclone
Grey Hunters x 10: P.Fist, w.guard, p.fist, melta, rhino
Grey Hunters x 10: P.Fist, w.guard, p.fist, melta, c.melta, rhino
Blood Claws x 10: p.weapon, w.guard, p.fist, melta, c.melta

Heavy
Long Fangs x 6: m.launcher, l.cannon x 2, h.bolter x 2
LRC: M.Melta

So normally this list wouldn't scare me much, but Jason is a really good player. Also, since I wasn't taking this event too seriously and I knew I couldn't win coming into it, I came with 2, 12 packs of Sam Adams the second day! I gave a lot of them away but I must have drank 10-12 of them and by this game I was definitely starting to show the booze!

I got first turn and deployed forward to mitigate night fight. Jason then stole the initiative on me! The stupid dreadnought drop pod delivered his dread into my L.Fangs turn 1 and there was no way to stop it. For 50 points that model is so over the top

So anyway, a Fang squad was out of play immediately but that wasn't too bad. I was taking slow chunks out of his army and felt fine until the wheels came off the bus turn 4.

He had moved his Blood claws up in a LRC to flank me and I put out a bait squad to try and lure them out into the open. As this mission was built so weird (why not regular KPs?) I could trade KPs with him and come out on top as he needed to kill 10 of mine to win and I only needed 8 of his.

So, he took the bait and charged my grey hunters. They held and then I counter charged what was left of his squad with 3 fresh ones....and got rolled! Haha, I somehow lost combat despite outnumbering him nearly 3 to 1 and having charged with character support and every one of my unit's failed their morale check and then ran off the board. Wow, that went wrong!

So now instead of picking up 2 KPs I gave up 4! That pretty much sealed my fate. I also couldn't blow up a stupid Drop pod which with a melta gun in 4 turns of shooting! Hahaha. Just one of those days.

I was also making some dumb moves as I was trying to flirt with Wonder Woman while playing and drinking.

In the end though, I lost although neither of us got the primary objective, so it was a minor victory to Jason. Well played to him though as it was certainly a bad match-up.


So in the end, I got like 10th place or so out of 48 (my paint score came in really well as did my sports and I got a favorite opponent vote) so I did OK.

The funny thing about this tournament, Italiaplaya went 5-0 and only missed maxing out battle points by 1 point, and he finished in the bottom third of the field, way below me with two losses. WTF? That is bizarre to me. His army was beautiful but it had two unpainted models.

White925 won the event and Dave_Fay got second, both with Nurgle Chaos. So congrats to them! The player who got Best General went 5-0 with max battle points and a really nice, fully painted army, but didn't win the tournament. WHite925 went 4-1 and Dave_Fey went 4-0-1.

But then, that's the Broadside Bash for you. The guys who win their games don't win the event, just like last year. Strange way to score it but it is fun none-the-less. I got to hang out with a bunch of old buddies, play some 40K and make some new friends.

And Wonder Woman, if you happen to read this, hit me up!


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Somnicide wrote:The internet has spoken, Reecius. Your list sucks and all your wins are negated.

Haha, right? The interwebs are more important than reality.

@Striderx
I am sorry if I seemed mean, but dude, every time you say something to me it is negative. Maybe it is a language or cultural barrier and I am just misunderstanding you, but it always seems like you are flaming me for no apparent reason.

If you think my list is bad, then that is fine. You are free to.

I have done really well with it though, in reality, and feel confident taking it against any army.

Reecius wrote:@Striderx
I am sorry if I seemed mean, but dude, every time you say something to me it is negative. Maybe it is a language or cultural barrier and I am just misunderstanding you, but it always seems like you are flaming me for no apparent reason.

If you think my list is bad, then that is fine. You are free to.

I have done really well with it though, in reality, and feel confident taking it against any army.

Erm, may I ask this :- Is it rude to tell an American that his list is below par or far from ideal? I mean do you guys have such a high ego? You seem to have that false impression that I m against you just because I criticised your list. I would have criticised that same list even if it was from someone else.
Note if I were to call you names and criticise your list, it would have been a different story. But what's up with getting worked up if someone else criticise your list? Is that a challenge to your intellectual capability? I guess not, right?

The great Reecius, distracted by Wonder Woman? Ha, can't blame you when I would get distracted even by the Invisible girl.

Too bad about game #1. When you're cold, you're cold. Ain't nothing tactics or skill can do about that. But if anything, game #4 was the equalizing factor. Bad mission for shooty army vs great board for shooty army.

@striderx:

To be fair to Reecius, his whole army is expendable. One of the strengths of an MSU-army like his is that every unit is sacrificial. Destroy his tank and next turn, take his retaliation. Destroy his 5-man squad and next turn, take his retaliation. That's why his squads are only 5-man. He wants you to be able to wipe them out in 1 phase so that he can shoot down your more expensive unit with his entire army. Basically, everything is an offensive unit and everything is a roadblock in his army. It is a very efficient army with a lot of redundancy and more often than not, it will do well. It's only downside, as with any MSU army, is that it is KP-heavy, but that is mitigated usually by its capability to wipe the opponent.

jy2 wrote:To be fair to Reecius, his whole army is expendable. One of the strengths of an MSU-army like his is that every unit is sacrificial. Destroy his tank and next turn, take his retaliation. Destroy his 5-man squad and next turn, take his retaliation. That's why his squads are only 5-man. He wants you to be able to wipe them out in 1 phase so that he can shoot down your more expensive unit with his entire army. Basically, everything is an offensive unit and everything is a roadblock in his army. It is a very efficient army with a lot of redundancy and more often than not, it will do well. It's only downside, as with any MSU army, is that it is KP-heavy, but that is mitigated usually by its capability to wipe the opponent.

Thx for the constructive comments - Somnicide you have alot to learn.

I concur with you on the merits of the list - MSU. But you brought up an important point - If the KP problem is mitigated usually by its capability to wipe the opponent, and it has been mentioned above that there was no way Reecius could wipe the ork opponent, doesn't that mean it is hardly possible for Reecius to win a battlewagon spam?

He has hardly any roadblocks actually. Rhinos/Razorbacks are terrible blockers against rollers. Skimmers are excellent choice, but that would have meant MLs on the front again. It would have been better if they were MM on the speeders.

@striderx

No worries dude, you can criticize my list all you want.

@jy2

You should have seen her, her shorts were really...short!

When she was walking around ever guy there was mesmerized, it was funny as hell.

Yeah, that first mission was pretty bad. And mission 4 was really bad for my opponent. Things like that shouldn't happen in a GT though, you know? People pay a lot of money to come and play and they deserve a fair shot at winning. Missions and tables like that make it really unfair for some armies which is not a good thing, IMO.

I would rather have "boring" missions and standardized tables that provide as equal a game as possible for both players.

I demand more pictures of Wonder Woman!!

I wish I had more to share =) She was a hottie and she was down with nerd culture. That is like, amazing.

Doug, my first opponent (who is a good buddy of mine) said he was gong to make a shirt that said "I tabled Reecius at my first GT!"

Hahaha, I have a feeling I will never live this down!

Sounds like a good time all around, I guess relocating to California won't be as painful as I may have anticipated!

Good effort on the tourney and almost turning around a rough start!

Have to agree on the missions and tables...sometimes you show up to a tournament...look at the packet and then look at the board and wonder to yourself..."Where did it all go wrong?" Then you ask if there is a satisfaction guarantee or something.

As to this business of your list...gotta say it seems rather solid and is something I wouldn't care to line up across the table against. One thing I was going to ask though was, have you ever considered fielding Typhoons with Multi-Meltas? I tried it out the other day and it put fear into the eyes of a battle wagon player in so many ways. Side shots with Missiles are scary enough; however, you start tossing in highly mobile Multi Meltas that will pounce at a moments notice and I feel its enough to give even good players reason for pause.

@Unholy_Martyr

Oh man, if you like tournament play 40K, California is a dream come true. In SoCal you can play in a tournament every weekend if you don't mind driving a bit. Plus, there are so many cool guys in the scene. NorCal is getting better, the crew we have working on organizing things is really pushing for more events and I have been able to hit a tournament at least every month.

I have not tried the M.Melta on the Typhoon, although I hear a lot of talk about it. I will have to try it out.

As you said, with BWs, I tend to just strafe out with Typhoons and Lazrobacks and take side shots, which has served me well. I keep my melta guns close to home as a last resort and assault with Grey Hunters and Dreads to go for broke on rear armor.

Typically, it never gets that close. I tend to destroy the BWs before they get too close (see game 3), but in this game I had to go at my opponent which was suicide.

I'll try the M/Melta addition. I like the h.bolter because it matches well with the frags and is still good against av10 and 11.

The tournament we are organizing up here in the bay (Bay Are Open, July 30th-31st) will have book missions and standardized tables to make sure there are no major miss-matches.

@striderx:

Just because the army has the potential to wipe a lot of opponents doesn't mean they can to all opponents, nor do they need to. Reecius' list definitely has the tools to handle battlewagon-orks.

The main weakness of BW-orks is that they need to keep together. Split up and they are much more vulnerable without the KFF saves. Against them, MSU armies would normally split their armies and force the ork player to either commit to one side or split up as well. Whichever he chooses, you'll going to get AV12 side shots.

It's just he had bad dice rolls. No matter how good the army or the skill of the general, like I've said before, when you're cold, you're cold. Ain't nothing you can really do about it.


@Reecius:

Mamacita! I think all tournaments should come with free brewskis and cosplay babes as referees. Damn, I'd go for sure!

Yeah, ideally all tournaments should be fair to all players, but in reality, they never are really. To add variety to their missions, TO's almost always make missions inherently advantageous to some armies while disadvantageous to others, and oftentimes to no fault of their own. For example, they may make a mission where there is 5 objectives but you only get kill points for troop choices. The typical MSU-list is going to get boned whereas a Deathwing haminator list is in heaven.

But there is no excuse for the poor terrain.

Reecius wrote:Typically, it never gets that close. I tend to destroy the BWs before they get too close (see game 3), but in this game I had to go at my opponent which was suicide.

Game 1 was 4 AV14 on the front, with KFF mek.
Game 3 was 2 AV14, 2 AV10, without KFF mek.

Worlds of difference.


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jy2 wrote:@striderx:

Just because the army has the potential to wipe a lot of opponents doesn't mean they can to all opponents, nor do they need to. Reecius' list definitely has the tools to handle battlewagon-orks.

The main weakness of BW-orks is that they need to keep together. Split up and they are much more vulnerable without the KFF saves. Against them, MSU armies would normally split their armies and force the ork player to either commit to one side or split up as well. Whichever he chooses, you'll going to get AV12 side shots.

I can see your point here. But for a wagon spam list, you normally split up after 1 turn of movement. But by that time, you are already within charge range of almost everything, especially with Ghazzy. It doesn't matter already that you are getting side shots of my wagons the next turn. This is with the exception of faster enemies of course, like Eldar or DE.

jy2 wrote:It's just he had bad dice rolls. No matter how good the army or the skill of the general, like I've said before, when you're cold, you're cold. Ain't nothing you can really do about it.

I probably missed this. Was it elaborated anywhere about his dice rolls for game 1?

From what I read it was more of his opponents dice being red hot. Add in the fact that his opponent had first turn and you can just go ahead and write off many a lists. Even if here were to bring a sizeable "counter attack" unit as in Thunderwolves and the like, I believe he would have been almost worse off, they may have gotten a Wagon or two on the charge but then would have had to deal with being swamped by Boyz, tank shocked with Deff Rollas out the ass...it just would have been bad. I believe he's made it work rather well in the past, sometimes, your number is up and you just have to grit your teeth and accept it.

striderx wrote:

jy2 wrote:@striderx:

Just because the army has the potential to wipe a lot of opponents doesn't mean they can to all opponents, nor do they need to. Reecius' list definitely has the tools to handle battlewagon-orks.

The main weakness of BW-orks is that they need to keep together. Split up and they are much more vulnerable without the KFF saves. Against them, MSU armies would normally split their armies and force the ork player to either commit to one side or split up as well. Whichever he chooses, you'll going to get AV12 side shots.

I can see your point here. But for a wagon spam list, you normally split up after 1 turn of movement. But by that time, you are already within charge range of almost everything, especially with Ghazzy. It doesn't matter already that you are getting side shots of my wagons the next turn. This is with the exception of faster enemies of course, like Eldar or DE.

You may well be in charge range...but there is a huge difference in how you charge. There difference here is that if I immobilise/wreck your BW this turn, then next turn you are charging on foot and against my vehicles rather than ramming them with your deff-rollas and then disembarking and multi-charging my disembarked passengers and other nearby vehicles. It makes a world of difference as the consequences of those 2 charges are 1) the BW deff'rolla charge is much more devastating and 2) I can't shoot you if you manage to lock yourself in combat.

striderx wrote:

jy2 wrote:It's just he had bad dice rolls. No matter how good the army or the skill of the general, like I've said before, when you're cold, you're cold. Ain't nothing you can really do about it.

I probably missed this. Was it elaborated anywhere about his dice rolls for game 1?

My bad. Let me rephrase it:

It's just his opponent had unbelievable dice rolls. No matter how good the army or the skill of the general, like I saying for the first time in this thread, when you're hot, you're hot. Ain't nothing your opponent can really do about it.

Nice report, Reecius, thanks!

I, too, however, and disappointed with the single, tease of a pic of wonder woman. For shame, sir. For shame.

striderx wrote:

Somnicide wrote:The internet has spoken, Reecius. Your list sucks and all your wins are negated.

I m not sure why trouble makers like you prefer to stir flames instead of engaging in healthy discussions in the forum.
If you are not interested, you are free not to participate, isnt it?

striderx wrote:]Erm, may I ask this :- Is it rude to tell an American that his list is below par or far from ideal? I mean do you guys have such a high ego? You seem to have that false impression that I m against you just because I criticised your list. I would have criticised that same list even if it was from someone else.
Note if I were to call you names and criticise your list, it would have been a different story. But what's up with getting worked up if someone else criticise your list? Is that a challenge to your intellectual capability? I guess not, right?

I am fairly certain that in most countries, telling someone that their list is poor will not be well received as the beginning of a dialogue. This is part of why Stelek fails so badly in any venue where he does not control the feedback he gets. He almost always starts off rude, brusque, high-handed and dismissive (and usually stays that way too).

If you phrased your concerns about Reecius' list as questions rather than proclamations or judgments, you might find them received more warmly. Reecius might have been willing to explain to you more about how his list works and how he handles BWs as Jy2 has done.

Healthy discussions are important; but they don't usually start with "I don't like your list, here is a list of things wrong with it." Or "Your list is below par." Particularly if the person has had significant success using the list, especiallly winning at large tournaments, they are very likely to conclude that a) you have made your mind up already and aren't open to learning, and/or b) that you play in such a different culture and metagame that their explanation may be inapplicable to your play envionment.

Considering this was a beauty pagent more than a tourney what did your Wolves do after the talent section?

Nice BR's!