Fafnir wrote:If you want to get people to read it, for the love of god, work on your formatting. I recommend a .pdf.

Alphacerberus wrote:ISo! here is a copy of the blood ravens codex ive made its in its very early stages so im getting reviews and haven't even put it through spell check so please take that into account

i have tried to make it as close to blood ravens whilst keeping the flavour from other codecies so hopefully it doesn't infringe upon balance.


also it is trying to contain named characters and one i made myself to try to compare "playability" while making them interesting and like any codex i expect to see OMG so overpowered and why is this here but im ready to answer any questions when i can and take on (constructive) critisism.
well here goes

Blood ravens codex test mk I

Special rules
psychic prescence:
due to the high psychic mutation within the blood ravens gene-seed they always have a librarian acompanying the main battle force as all blood ravens have minor psychic prescence innately.(any blood-ravens force over 750 points must take a Wwwlibriarian (of any kind) as a HQ choice this does not use a FOC slot but should this librarian be killed all blood ravens must take a leadership test at LD 10

This rule is unnecessary, but is on the right sort of lines. It needs to be changed to something that isn't as restricting as to force the player to take a Librarian, infact it doesn't need to have anything to do with Librarian's - it's much easier to just have Librarian's as an Elites choice that allows you to take 1-3 Librarian's in the same slot, in the same way as Blood Angel Sanguinary Priests, and then have an improved Librarian as a unique HQ choice.

"Knowledge is power guard it well":
blood ravens due to a lack of knowledge about their origins guard secrets closely more so than any other chapter although it does mean relics of great intrest are protected and initialised during a battle. At the start of the battle roll a 6D6 for each 6 add 1 to thenumber of sacred relics present on the battle field each of these can be given to any unit without a AV value although a transport may forgo its transport capacity in order to hold the relic (it does not benifit from its effects however).
for each relic roll a d6 on this table the unit gains one the effects.

1 unatural fortitude - one model loses 1 attack but gains one to its toughness value (this does not count toward instant death)

2 righteous fury - the sqaud or character gains the furious charge special rule

3 honours of the chapter - the model may gain +1 WS or BS
4 Gene seed reclaimation- the squad or model gains + 1" to its run and movement value when within 24" of a librian if it is more than this it must move to within this range

5 Master of the armoury - one model inthe squad or character may have all of its weapons master crafted but on the roll of a 1 to hit followed by a re-roll of one (on any dice) these benefits are lost and unit must take a leadership test

6 Psychic guidence- when within 24" of a friendly librarian the unit or model gains +1 I and invunerable save of 6+ (if without one)
however should any of these units be lost place a marker (these may be picked up by enemy and friendly units although they gain no effects) if at the end of the game the enemy has more of these or equal to than the blood ravens player they gain D3 kill points or 1 objective point.

This rule is just trying to give free wargear, similar to some of the rumored abilities in the new GK 'dex. If you really want this rule, then just have it that D3 models in the army (Sergeants, Independant characters etc) can have a Master-Crafted weapon. But to be honest, this entire rule doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It's pretty much just "The Blood Raven's don't know much of their history so they can give their men lots of special weapons and make them more powerful for no particular reason." Needs a lot of work.

"Flesh over steel" blood ravens take pride within having strong troops with a strong understand of the ways of war and in doing so prefer to see the enemy in the eye than hide within steel shells. blood ravens may not have more units with the "tank" type than infantry or jump infantry on the field.

Make this more simple: limit the vehicle options; ie only every other unit may have a transport and 0-1/0-2 on most vehicles, for example Predators and Land Raiders.


And they shall know no fear

combat squads

No problems here.

Units

HQ
Librarian : see codex SM although with a 30 point discount - Nah, just make it a Librarian with +1 BS, W, A, I and can use one more Psychic power than usual, and has more wargear options.
Chaplin : " " - is spelled Chaplain*
Captain : " "
master of the forge : " "
troops
tactical squads C:SM
Scouts C:SM
Dedicated transports
rhino C:SM
razorback C:SM
drop pods C:SM

Elites

ALL in accordance with C:SM (except legion of the damned)


Librarian Dreadnought
WS 6 BS4 S6 F13 S12 R10 I4 A2 points 150
options:
any psychic power from C:SM for +5 points
extra armour 15
replace storm bolter with heavy flamer 10
wargear: dreadnought CCW built in storm bolter
smoke launchers
psychic hood
force weapon

You have to consider that while the BA have ancient Librarian Dreadnoughts, the BRs will have more Librarian's freshly interred. Therefore you will have Librarian Dreadnought's with just the standard Venerable Dreadnought rules, or perhaps the option to have a Librarian Dreadnought as a standard 'nought (with WS5) or a Venerable Librarian Dreadnought. Venerable Dreadnought will have Epistolary upgrade.

Fast attack

All in Accordance with C:SM
Baal predator
in accordance with C:BA
(fluff note due to the secretive ways of the Blood ravens relics which contained parts of the schematic for the famous blood angels baal predator were kept under lock and key by the chapters superiors).

Don't rip on the BA's style. Remove the Baal.

Heavy support

All in accordance with C:SM
Storm raven gunship
in accordance with C:BA

Special characters

Davian thule points 285
WS 6 BS 5 S10 F13 S13 R11 I4 A 3 (walker)
wargear
master crafted dreadnought CCW with built in heavy flamer (non MC)
master crafted assault cannon
Cybernetic eye - This really must go. He won't be using it inside the Dreadnought, and what's more; why the hell would a little metal eyepiece that glows red allow you to shoot a large area-of-effect weapon?

Rules

Leave no brother behind
while within 12" of thule all blood ravens become stubborn
also if thule should fall he becomes a relic point but all units within 12" become fearless

You haven't actually explained what "relic points" are, at least not in any real clarity. I'd suggest just doing the same thing they did for Bjorn.

master of campaigns

you may re-roll to seize the initative at the games start even if you are sucessful.

What? Why would you re-roll a successful seize the initiative roll? You could just not roll it in the first place. This rule should be removed and replaced with something that makes sense.

Cybernetic eye :
fired once per battle as
SX AP 4 large blast
wounds on 3+
Chosen by fate: thule has 6+ invunerable save


Gabriel Angelos captain status points 240

WS6 BS5 S5 T4 W3 I5 A4 Ld 10 Sv 2+ (infantry)
Wargear: Thundercall
artificer armour
iron halo
frag and krak grenades

He is not super superhuman - just S4 is fine, however I would definitely give him W4.

rules:
Thundercall : Terrible name for a weapon, and what's more, his Thunder Hammer already has a name: God-Splitter. You should read this: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gabriel_Angelos
is a master crafted 2 handed thunder hammer which gives angelos the ability to strike everyone in B2B contact instead of making his usual attacks - Keep Master Crafted, but lose the rest of this rule and replace it with an advantage against Daemons/Invulnerable saves, ie successful Invulnerable saves made from this weapon must be re-rolled. After all, it contains a fragment of The Wailing Doom.


independant character
fearless
eternal warrior

Chapter master Kyras points 245
WS5 BS5 S4 T4 W4 I5 Ld9 Sv2+ - While there isn't much to go on, we know that he is very powerful. He needs +2 WS, +1 BS and LD10(!).
Wargear :
Staff of the blackflight
artificer armour
psychic hood
book of the blood ravens
frag and krak grenades
bolt pistol

rules

staff of the blacklight:
counts a force weapon but enables kyras to cast 3 psychic powers that count as shooting a turn (at same target)or he may make one attempt on a psychic test of 3d6 to use the Psychic power Desolation if failed he may not cast it again for the entire match.
Desolation (shooting attack)
range 24" S6 AP 2 blast*

*roll to hit as normal for the blast template but wherever it lands draw a cross pattern pretruding 6" from four corners the top one must be the line on which the attack was fired any model along these line must take a Ld test or be removed from play
he also has every psyhic power in C:SM

- Should just be a Master-Crafted Force Weapon that adds +1 Strength in Close-combat or something. As for the Psychic powers, just make a Special Rule called Master of the Chapter, Master of the Psykers: [fluffy reasoning], he can use up to four Psychic Powers per turn. Another rule should definitely be - Corrupted Psyker: [fluffy reasoning, ie information on his pact with Ulkair], he can use the Psychic Powers (or perhaps just some Psychic powers) from the Chaos Space Marine codex, and can use all (or for balancing, like with the CSM powers, only some) the Space Marine Psychic powers.

book of the blood ravens :
this grants Kyras a 3+ invunerable - think of a better piece of wargear to give him a 3++.

Corruption of daemons:
all blood ravens or enemies that hold relics of the chapter lose 1 to their S and I however for each unit holding a relic kyras may grant another unit + S and +I - Bad rule to be honest.. it makes no real sense.

Captain diomedes points 185
WS6 BS4 S5 T4 W3 I6 A5 Ld7
Wargear :
jump pack
artificer armour
iron halo
dual master crafted lightning claws (Ravens secrets)
Helm of the Honour guard
Seals of Kyras
frag and krak grenades

rules:
Ravens secrets :
these lightning claws each contain a bolt pistol which doesn't contribute to diomedes' attacks profile
helm of the honour guard : when with his honour guard diomedes does not scatter when deepstriking
deeptrike.

independant character
Seals of kyras :
when losing his final wound if diomedes must take a leadership test if he fails he makes a full round of attacks towards his own unit if he passes he make sa full round towards the enemy unit if he is not within B2B contact with a unit of the type specified he makes a 12" move towards them(counts as charging) if he does not reach he simply is removed (this is due to finding and denying or accepting his chapters corruption)

In general, he is underpowered and his rules are stupid. I'm just blunt with that one, I mean he is the Leader of the Honour Guard, and I believe he may also be the First Company Captain(?). He needs to be almost as powerful as Angelos.

fearless

Captain Zackarias Rosarius points 155

WS6 BS4 S4 T4 W3 I5 A3 Ld 10
Wargear
Blood of ravens
Feathers of Secrets (plasma pistol)
pendant of the Talon
iron halo
Artificer armour
frag and krak grenades
rules
Blood of ravens:
master crafted power sword that strikes a strength 5

Feathers of secrets :
a plasma pistol without gets hot! rule

pendant of the talon :
when Zackarias loses his final wound roll a D6 if he gets a 5-6 he gets back up placed within 1" of his old unit or 1" away from enemy units in his location with one wound however he must take a leadership each turn or fall to his wounds after the 1st test he only gets up on a 6 and take Ld tests on 3D6

independant chracter


- You really can't make a Special Character out of The Force Commander (as he is known), because this is just clearly based off of your commander in DoW II.

Alphacerberus wrote:i do agree with most of what you have said although i will be defending some changes im planning a re write now

Darkvoidof40k wrote:

Alphacerberus wrote:ISo! here is a copy of the blood ravens codex ive made its in its very early stages so im getting reviews and haven't even put it through spell check so please take that into account

i have tried to make it as close to blood ravens whilst keeping the flavour from other codecies so hopefully it doesn't infringe upon balance.


also it is trying to contain named characters and one i made myself to try to compare "playability" while making them interesting and like any codex i expect to see OMG so overpowered and why is this here but im ready to answer any questions when i can and take on (constructive) critisism.
well here goes

Blood ravens codex test mk I

Special rules

"Knowledge is power guard it well":
blood ravens due to a lack of knowledge about their origins guard secrets closely more so than any other chapter although it does mean relics of great intrest are protected and initialised during a battle. At the start of the battle roll a 6D6 for each 6 add 1 to thenumber of sacred relics present on the battle field each of these can be given to any unit without a AV value although a transport may forgo its transport capacity in order to hold the relic (it does not benifit from its effects however).
for each relic roll a d6 on this table the unit gains one the effects.

1 unatural fortitude - one model loses 1 attack but gains one to its toughness value (this does not count toward instant death)

2 righteous fury - the sqaud or character gains the furious charge special rule

3 honours of the chapter - the model may gain +1 WS or BS

4 Gene seed reclaimation- the squad or model gains + 1" to its run and movement value when within 24" of a librian if it is more than this it must move to within this range

5 Master of the armoury - one model inthe squad or character may have all of its weapons master crafted but on the roll of a 1 to hit followed by a re-roll of one (on any dice) these benefits are lost and unit must take a leadership test

6 Psychic guidence- when within 24" of a friendly librarian the unit or model gains +1 I and invunerable save of 6+ (if without one)

however should any of these units be lost place a marker (these may be picked up by enemy and friendly units although they gain no effects) if at the end of the game the enemy has more of these or equal to than the blood ravens player they gain D3 kill points or 1 objective point
.
(kept this ruling i tried to make it understand able but it works with what i had in mind so ill maybe make changes if more people find it confusing)

"Flesh over steel" blood ravens take pride within having strong troops with a strong understand of the ways of war and in doing so prefer to see the enemy in the eye than hide within steel shells. blood ravens may not have more units with an AV value than units with wounds value.

(simple and to the point)


And they shall know no fear

combat squads


Units

HQ
Secret Masters (librarians) : WS5 BS5 S4 T4 W2 I5 A3 Ld10 160 points
options &rules same as C:SM (2 powrs a turn)
however may take a Scripture of the Vault making him able to shoot two seperate targets with his powers at 15pts




Chaplain : " "
Captain : " "
tactical squads C:SM
Scouts C:SM
Dedicated transports
rhino C:SM
razorback C:SM
drop pods C:SM

Elites

ALL in accordance with C:SM (except legion of the damnedor ironclade)


Librarian Dreadnought
WS 5 BS4 S6 F13 S12 R10 I4 A2 points 150 (redeemed as spoke to many of friends and 6 WS is from furioso not the fact its a libby)
options:
any psychic power from C:SM for +5 points
extra armour 15
replace storm bolter with heavy flamer 10
wargear: dreadnought CCW built in storm bolter
smoke launchers
psychic hood
force weapon
may be upgraded to a Relic sacophagus 30
making him able to use 2 powers and making all friendly psykers able to negate perils on a 2+

OR become venerable for 50pts


Fast attack

All in Accordance with C:SM

Ravens fury predator TL assault cannon or Flamestorm cannon BS4 F13 S11 R 10 points 125
options
heavy bolters sponus 30pts*
"normal"flamers 15pts*
extra armour*
hunter killer missle
storm bolter
dozerblade*
*if one or options are taken the tank looses its "fast" status

Don't rip on the BA's style. Remove the Baal. <---- in response to this agreed Baal predators would offend BA players so i came up with this variaions so they are still fats but must be lightly armed and took the options down a notch makes them different and doesn't infringe on the BA's lucifer engines or the assault style they have but keeps them a fast attack choice as i love them but dont like blood angels

Heavy support

All in accordance with C:SM
no chronus or named characters from the C:SM obviously

Special characters

Davian thule points 285
WS 6 BS 5 S10 F13 S13 R11 I4 A 3 (walker)
wargear
master crafted dreadnought CCW with built in heavy flamer (non MC)
master crafted assault cannon
Cybernetic eye

Rules

Leave no brother behind
while within 12" of thule all blood ravens become stubborn
also if thule should fall he becomes a relic point but all units within 12" become fearless


master of campaigns

all units within 12" do not scatter when DS

Cybernetic eye : <---- thule actuall sees from this still as show in DoW2 so assumed making this guy a army support character making him like a markerlight
shooting attack when a unit is hit by this attack to not roll to wound instead roll a D6

on a 1 removes 1 from the targets cover save
on a 2 one unit make shoot with +1 to its BS
3-5 you may pick the effect from 1-2
6 apply both effects

Chosen by fate: thule has 6+ invunerable save


Gabriel Angelos captain status points 220

WS6 BS5 S4 T4 W3 I5 A4 Ld 10 Sv 2+ (infantry)
Wargear: Thundercall
artificer armour
iron halo
frag and krak grenades

i downed his strength but 4w makes him to much of a beast for me so have just lowered his points

rules:
Godsplitter <----- couldn t remeber correct name at the time of 1st editon so just filled so i apologize
is a master crafted 2 handed thunder hammer which ignores invunerable saves on the roll of 5+ to wound(on normal attacks) it also gives angelos the ability to make a wailing strike in lineu of his normal attacks

Wailing strike S5 AP3 blast or S4 AP 5 large blast

place the template anywhere in contact with angelos's base but strikes at I1 it pushes away allies so ignore any friendly models under the template

- Keep Master Crafted, but lose the rest of this rule and replace it with an advantage against Daemons/Invulnerable saves, ie successful Invulnerable saves made from this weapon must be re-rolled. After all, it contains a fragment of The Wailing Doom.
<----- i never really read up on angelos that much but seeing this i have seen the fluff this suits him more its almost like a rending invun killer


independant character
fearless
eternal warrior

Chapter master Kyras points 245
WS5 BS5 S4 T4 W4 I5 Ld9 Sv2+ - While there isn't much to go on, we know that he is very powerful. He needs +2 WS, +1 BS and LD10(!). <----- kept the stats the same as i believe his power while undoubtly great his physical state and his mental state is deteriating as his psychic might grows

Wargear :
Staff of the blackflight
artificer armour
psychic hood
book of the blood ravens
frag and krak grenades
bolt pistol

rules

staff of the blacklight:
counts a force weapon but enables kyras to cast 4 psychic powers that count as shooting a turn (at same target) or 2 at seperate targets
he also has every psyhic power in the C CSM

Daemonic pacts: should kyras suffer a perils of the warp he casts the power as normal an may turn the warp energes inwards into a blast at enemies as a shooting attack with the following profile (no psychic test)

range 24 tendrils of the warp S5+1 for each wound lost AP 4 -1 for each wound lost assault 6 -1 for each wound lost

Seals of tzeentch: (found out nurgle and tzeentch are against each other on the daemonic spectrum so makes sense being of "suspected" thousands sons decent and not making the pacts with ulkair as he locked him away seems that tzeentch is the one who forged the pacts

this grants Kyras a 3+ invunerable

Corruption of daemons:
all blood ravens or enemies that hold relics of the chapter lose 1 to their S and I however for each unit holding a relic kyras gains the ability to gain 1 wound if within 12" after the relics is destroyed and counts towards the enemies total these wounds do not regenerate wounds and therefore his previous total is counted when working out his tendrils of the warp attack


Captain diomedes points 185
WS6 BS4 S5 T4 W3 I6 A5 Ld8
Wargear :
jump pack
artificer armour
iron halo
dual master crafted lightning claws (Ravens secrets)
Helm of the Honour guard
Seals of Kyras
frag and krak grenades

rules:
Ravens secrets :
these lightning claws each contain a bolt pistol which doesn't contribute to diomedes' attacks profile
helm of the honour guard : when with his honour guard diomedes does not scatter when deepstriking
deeptrike.

independant character
Seals of kyras :
when losing his final wound if diomedes must take a leadership test if he fails he makes a full round of attacks towards his own unit if he passes he make sa full round towards the enemy unit if he is not within B2B contact with a unit of the type specified he makes a 12" move towards them(counts as charging) if he does not reach he simply is removed (this is due to finding and denying or accepting his chapters corruption)

In general, he is underpowered and his rules are stupid. I'm just blunt with that one, I mean he is the Leader of the Honour Guard, and I believe he may also be the First Company Captain(?). He needs to be almost as powerful as Angelos.
<----- i beleive this guy balanced as now h has Ld 8 as it means he has a good chance of making a whole death-strike at a unit making him very powerful also he can lead a squad well his stats for leadership are low as he has followed kyras without question for so long he is taint free but his faith is shaken and his final attack is eiether a attack upon corrupted brothers or rage for his enemies "Lies"
fearless

Captain Zackarias Rosarius points 155

WS6 BS4 S4 T4 W3 I5 A3 Ld 10
Wargear
Blood of ravens
Feathers of Secrets (plasma pistol)
pendant of the Talon
iron halo
Artificer armour
frag and krak grenades
rules
Blood of ravens:
master crafted power sword that strikes a strength 5

Feathers of secrets :
a plasma pistol without gets hot! rule

pendant of the talon :
when Zackarias loses his final wound roll a D6 if he gets a 5-6 he gets back up placed within 1" of his old unit or 1" away from enemy units in his location with one wound however he must take a leadership each turn or fall to his wounds after the 1st test he only gets up on a 6 and take Ld tests on 3D6

independant chracter


left this guy untouched hes just a general character made for balance purposes and indivuality might invent some fluff for him to make him apart from the force commander

Also, you really should work on Cyras, Thaddeus, Avitus, Tarkus, Jonah and Martellus as well.




in response to this ive been working on these guys 1st draft

Cyrus upgrade for scouts 60

stats WS4 BS5 S4 T4 W1 I4 A2 LD10 Sv 3+
wargear:
Shotgun
sniper rifle
camo cloak
bolter
close combat weapon and bolt pistol
frag and krak

rules
master of the initiates:
cyrus has the same equipment as his scouts but he is a master of all their combat styles and there for may use effects with each weapon

Shotgun- explosive shot: all shotguns in cyrus' squad become S4 AP- blast 2
sniper- Hi-velocity shot: all scouts snipers ignore cover saves
Bolter- suppression: all bolter type weapons become assault including heavy bolters
Close combat weapon- know your enemy all scouts in cyrus' sqaud gain prefered enemy and gain a 5+ invunerable in CC


thaddeus upgrade 60
WS5 BS4 S4 T4 W1 I4 A3 LD9 Sv3+

wargear:
power weapon
bolt pistol
frag and krak
jump pack

rules:
heroic strike: when entering through deeptrike thaddeus' sqaud cannot shoot but may assault

headstrong: When charging thaddeus' squad gain D3 attacks instead of 1+ they are also fearless and may not flee combat for any reason


Avitus (Upgrade) 45

WS4 BS5 S4 T4 W1 A2 Ld10 Sv3+
wargear:
heavy bolter
bolt pistol
frag and krak
boltgun
signum
melta bombs

Options: may replace his Heavy bolter with:
multi melta missle launcher 10
plasma cannon or lascannon 20

rules:
Veteran of battlefields : while not in cover Avitus' squad have the slow and purposeful rule. also at any time they have move through cover special rules

Heavy gun sweep: while in Close combat Avitus' squad have the hit and run special rules and may do a single S3 AP- hit to every enemy model in that combat

Tarkus upgrade 40

WS4 BS4 S4 T5 W1 I4 A2 Ld 10 Sv 3+

Wargear:
boltgun-with specialist ammuntion
Frag and Krak

Rules:
Honour the codex: instead moving as normal tarkus' squad may make a slow and purposeful move in this turn they gain FnP universal special rule
Clear the room: while shoot enemies in cover tarkus' squad may re roll to hit rolls


Jonah Upgrade for a Command squad 70 points

WS4 BS5 S4 T4 W1 I4 A2 Ld 10 Sv 3+

Wargear:
Psychic hood
bolt pistol
frag and krak
force weapon

rules:
guidence of Orion: you "may" +1 to your reserve rolls
Swift-step:yeach turn you can give your command sqaud furious charge or fleet special rules
Jonah has 2 powers from the space marine codex these are selects at the start of the game he may only use 1 per turn



Martellus tank upgrade 120
WS4 BS 5 S4 T4 W2 I4 A2 Ld9 Sv2+

wargear:
servo arm
artificer armour
Twin linked boltgun
Master crafted bolt pistol
frak and krak
conversiion beamer

Rules:
Heed the machines voice: at the start of your turn you may pick one of 3 effects

1 you may fire one more weapon then you are normally allowed at the speed you travelled
2 Your vechile may repair one weapon destroyed or one imobilized result but may not move this turn
3 your vechile may raise a 6+ inv save for this turn


Survivalist: martellus' vechile may use his BS skill however when his transport is destroyed he climbs fromthe wreckage on a 2+
he then acts in his above profile while in cover he can bolter it making it gain a 1+ to its cover save. while in cover he gains eternal warrior




new comments i hope and thank you for all those whos comment have made this codex better and more balanced so far


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Darkvoidof40k wrote:

Alphacerberus wrote:i do agree with most of what you have said although i will be defending some changes im planning a re write now

Spell check. Use it.

in that sentance is there anything wrong? only grammer xD sorry my brain works quicker than my hands i hope i haven't made many mistakes

The Zoat wrote:Wait, what has happened to Indrick Boreale?

Alphacerberus wrote:

Darkvoidof40k wrote:

Alphacerberus wrote:ISo! here is a copy of the blood ravens codex ive made its in its very early stages so im getting reviews and haven't even put it through spell check so please take that into account

i have tried to make it as close to blood ravens whilst keeping the flavour from other codecies so hopefully it doesn't infringe upon balance.


also it is trying to contain named characters and one i made myself to try to compare "playability" while making them interesting and like any codex i expect to see OMG so overpowered and why is this here but im ready to answer any questions when i can and take on (constructive) critisism.
well here goes

Blood ravens codex test mk I

Special rules

"Knowledge is power guard it well":
blood ravens due to a lack of knowledge about their origins guard secrets closely more so than any other chapter although it does mean relics of great intrest are protected and initialised during a battle. At the start of the battle roll a 6D6 for each 6 add 1 to thenumber of sacred relics present on the battle field each of these can be given to any unit without a AV value although a transport may forgo its transport capacity in order to hold the relic (it does not benifit from its effects however).
for each relic roll a d6 on this table the unit gains one the effects.

1 unatural fortitude - one model loses 1 attack but gains one to its toughness value (this does not count toward instant death)

2 righteous fury - the sqaud or character gains the furious charge special rule

3 honours of the chapter - the model may gain +1 WS or BS

4 Gene seed reclaimation- the squad or model gains + 1" to its run and movement value when within 24" of a librian if it is more than this it must move to within this range

5 Master of the armoury - one model inthe squad or character may have all of its weapons master crafted but on the roll of a 1 to hit followed by a re-roll of one (on any dice) these benefits are lost and unit must take a leadership test

6 Psychic guidence- when within 24" of a friendly librarian the unit or model gains +1 I and invunerable save of 6+ (if without one)

however should any of these units be lost place a marker (these may be picked up by enemy and friendly units although they gain no effects) if at the end of the game the enemy has more of these or equal to than the blood ravens player they gain D3 kill points or 1 objective point
.
(kept this ruling i tried to make it understand able but it works with what i had in mind so ill maybe make changes if more people find it confusing)

"Flesh over steel" blood ravens take pride within having strong troops with a strong understand of the ways of war and in doing so prefer to see the enemy in the eye than hide within steel shells. blood ravens may not have more units with an AV value than units with wounds value.

(simple and to the point)


And they shall know no fear

combat squads


Units

HQ
Secret Masters (librarians) : WS5 BS5 S4 T4 W2 I5 A3 Ld10 160 points
options &rules same as C:SM (2 powrs a turn)
however may take a Scripture of the Vault making him able to shoot two seperate targets with his powers at 15pts




Chaplain : " "
Captain : " "
tactical squads C:SM
Scouts C:SM
Dedicated transports
rhino C:SM
razorback C:SM
drop pods C:SM

Elites

ALL in accordance with C:SM (except legion of the damnedor ironclade)


Librarian Dreadnought
WS 5 BS4 S6 F13 S12 R10 I4 A2 points 150 (redeemed as spoke to many of friends and 6 WS is from furioso not the fact its a libby)
options:
any psychic power from C:SM for +5 points
extra armour 15
replace storm bolter with heavy flamer 10
wargear: dreadnought CCW built in storm bolter
smoke launchers
psychic hood
force weapon
may be upgraded to a Relic sacophagus 30
making him able to use 2 powers and making all friendly psykers able to negate perils on a 2+

OR become venerable for 50pts


Fast attack

All in Accordance with C:SM

Ravens fury predator TL assault cannon or Flamestorm cannon BS4 F13 S11 R 10 points 125
options
heavy bolters sponus 30pts*
"normal"flamers 15pts*
extra armour*
hunter killer missle
storm bolter
dozerblade*
*if one or options are taken the tank looses its "fast" status

Don't rip on the BA's style. Remove the Baal. <---- in response to this agreed Baal predators would offend BA players so i came up with this variaions so they are still fats but must be lightly armed and took the options down a notch makes them different and doesn't infringe on the BA's lucifer engines or the assault style they have but keeps them a fast attack choice as i love them but dont like blood angels

Heavy support

All in accordance with C:SM
no chronus or named characters from the C:SM obviously

Special characters

Davian thule points 285
WS 6 BS 5 S10 F13 S13 R11 I4 A 3 (walker)
wargear
master crafted dreadnought CCW with built in heavy flamer (non MC)
master crafted assault cannon
Cybernetic eye

Rules

Leave no brother behind
while within 12" of thule all blood ravens become stubborn
also if thule should fall he becomes a relic point but all units within 12" become fearless


master of campaigns

all units within 12" do not scatter when DS

Cybernetic eye : <---- thule actuall sees from this still as show in DoW2 so assumed making this guy a army support character making him like a markerlight
shooting attack when a unit is hit by this attack to not roll to wound instead roll a D6

on a 1 removes 1 from the targets cover save
on a 2 one unit make shoot with +1 to its BS
3-5 you may pick the effect from 1-2
6 apply both effects

Chosen by fate: thule has 6+ invunerable save


Gabriel Angelos captain status points 220

WS6 BS5 S4 T4 W3 I5 A4 Ld 10 Sv 2+ (infantry)
Wargear: Thundercall
artificer armour
iron halo
frag and krak grenades

i downed his strength but 4w makes him to much of a beast for me so have just lowered his points

rules:
Godsplitter <----- couldn t remeber correct name at the time of 1st editon so just filled so i apologize
is a master crafted 2 handed thunder hammer which ignores invunerable saves on the roll of 5+ to wound(on normal attacks) it also gives angelos the ability to make a wailing strike in lineu of his normal attacks

Wailing strike S5 AP3 blast or S4 AP 5 large blast

place the template anywhere in contact with angelos's base but strikes at I1 it pushes away allies so ignore any friendly models under the template

- Keep Master Crafted, but lose the rest of this rule and replace it with an advantage against Daemons/Invulnerable saves, ie successful Invulnerable saves made from this weapon must be re-rolled. After all, it contains a fragment of The Wailing Doom.
<----- i never really read up on angelos that much but seeing this i have seen the fluff this suits him more its almost like a rending invun killer


independant character
fearless
eternal warrior

Chapter master Kyras points 245
WS5 BS5 S4 T4 W4 I5 Ld9 Sv2+ - While there isn't much to go on, we know that he is very powerful. He needs +2 WS, +1 BS and LD10(!). <----- kept the stats the same as i believe his power while undoubtly great his physical state and his mental state is deteriating as his psychic might grows

Wargear :
Staff of the blackflight
artificer armour
psychic hood
book of the blood ravens
frag and krak grenades
bolt pistol

rules

staff of the blacklight:
counts a force weapon but enables kyras to cast 4 psychic powers that count as shooting a turn (at same target) or 2 at seperate targets
he also has every psyhic power in the C CSM

Daemonic pacts: should kyras suffer a perils of the warp he casts the power as normal an may turn the warp energes inwards into a blast at enemies as a shooting attack with the following profile (no psychic test)

range 24 tendrils of the warp S5+1 for each wound lost AP 4 -1 for each wound lost assault 6 -1 for each wound lost

Seals of tzeentch: (found out nurgle and tzeentch are against each other on the daemonic spectrum so makes sense being of "suspected" thousands sons decent and not making the pacts with ulkair as he locked him away seems that tzeentch is the one who forged the pacts

this grants Kyras a 3+ invunerable

Corruption of daemons:
all blood ravens or enemies that hold relics of the chapter lose 1 to their S and I however for each unit holding a relic kyras gains the ability to gain 1 wound if within 12" after the relics is destroyed and counts towards the enemies total these wounds do not regenerate wounds and therefore his previous total is counted when working out his tendrils of the warp attack


Captain diomedes points 185
WS6 BS4 S5 T4 W3 I6 A5 Ld8
Wargear :
jump pack
artificer armour
iron halo
dual master crafted lightning claws (Ravens secrets)
Helm of the Honour guard
Seals of Kyras
frag and krak grenades

rules:
Ravens secrets :
these lightning claws each contain a bolt pistol which doesn't contribute to diomedes' attacks profile
helm of the honour guard : when with his honour guard diomedes does not scatter when deepstriking
deeptrike.

independant character
Seals of kyras :
when losing his final wound if diomedes must take a leadership test if he fails he makes a full round of attacks towards his own unit if he passes he make sa full round towards the enemy unit if he is not within B2B contact with a unit of the type specified he makes a 12" move towards them(counts as charging) if he does not reach he simply is removed (this is due to finding and denying or accepting his chapters corruption)

In general, he is underpowered and his rules are stupid. I'm just blunt with that one, I mean he is the Leader of the Honour Guard, and I believe he may also be the First Company Captain(?). He needs to be almost as powerful as Angelos.
<----- i beleive this guy balanced as now h has Ld 8 as it means he has a good chance of making a whole death-strike at a unit making him very powerful also he can lead a squad well his stats for leadership are low as he has followed kyras without question for so long he is taint free but his faith is shaken and his final attack is eiether a attack upon corrupted brothers or rage for his enemies "Lies"
fearless

Captain Zackarias Rosarius points 155

WS6 BS4 S4 T4 W3 I5 A3 Ld 10
Wargear
Blood of ravens
Feathers of Secrets (plasma pistol)
pendant of the Talon
iron halo
Artificer armour
frag and krak grenades
rules
Blood of ravens:
master crafted power sword that strikes a strength 5

Feathers of secrets :
a plasma pistol without gets hot! rule

pendant of the talon :
when Zackarias loses his final wound roll a D6 if he gets a 5-6 he gets back up placed within 1" of his old unit or 1" away from enemy units in his location with one wound however he must take a leadership each turn or fall to his wounds after the 1st test he only gets up on a 6 and take Ld tests on 3D6

independant chracter


left this guy untouched hes just a general character made for balance purposes and indivuality might invent some fluff for him to make him apart from the force commander

Also, you really should work on Cyras, Thaddeus, Avitus, Tarkus, Jonah and Martellus as well.




in response to this ive been working on these guys 1st draft

Cyrus upgrade for scouts 60

stats WS4 BS5 S4 T4 W1 I4 A2 LD10 Sv 3+
wargear:
Shotgun
sniper rifle
camo cloak
bolter
close combat weapon and bolt pistol
frag and krak

rules
master of the initiates:
cyrus has the same equipment as his scouts but he is a master of all their combat styles and there for may use effects with each weapon

Shotgun- explosive shot: all shotguns in cyrus' squad become S4 AP- blast 2
sniper- Hi-velocity shot: all scouts snipers ignore cover saves
Bolter- suppression: all bolter type weapons become assault including heavy bolters
Close combat weapon- know your enemy all scouts in cyrus' sqaud gain prefered enemy and gain a 5+ invunerable in CC


thaddeus upgrade 60
WS5 BS4 S4 T4 W1 I4 A3 LD9 Sv3+

wargear:
power weapon
bolt pistol
frag and krak
jump pack

rules:
heroic strike: when entering through deeptrike thaddeus' sqaud cannot shoot but may assault

headstrong: When charging thaddeus' squad gain D3 attacks instead of 1+ they are also fearless and may not flee combat for any reason


Avitus (Upgrade) 45

WS4 BS5 S4 T4 W1 A2 Ld10 Sv3+
wargear:
heavy bolter
bolt pistol
frag and krak
boltgun
signum
melta bombs

Options: may replace his Heavy bolter with:
multi melta missle launcher 10
plasma cannon or lascannon 20

rules:
Veteran of battlefields : while not in cover Avitus' squad have the slow and purposeful rule. also at any time they have move through cover special rules

Heavy gun sweep: while in Close combat Avitus' squad have the hit and run special rules and may do a single S3 AP- hit to every enemy model in that combat

Tarkus upgrade 40

WS4 BS4 S4 T5 W1 I4 A2 Ld 10 Sv 3+

Wargear:
boltgun-with specialist ammuntion
Frag and Krak

Rules:
Honour the codex: instead moving as normal tarkus' squad may make a slow and purposeful move in this turn they gain FnP universal special rule
Clear the room: while shoot enemies in cover tarkus' squad may re roll to hit rolls


Jonah Upgrade for a Command squad 70 points

WS4 BS5 S4 T4 W1 I4 A2 Ld 10 Sv 3+

Wargear:
Psychic hood
bolt pistol
frag and krak
force weapon

rules:
guidence of Orion: you "may" +1 to your reserve rolls
Swift-step:yeach turn you can give your command sqaud furious charge or fleet special rules
Jonah has 2 powers from the space marine codex these are selects at the start of the game he may only use 1 per turn



Martellus tank upgrade 120
WS4 BS 5 S4 T4 W2 I4 A2 Ld9 Sv2+

wargear:
servo arm
artificer armour
Twin linked boltgun
Master crafted bolt pistol
frak and krak
conversiion beamer

Rules:
Heed the machines voice: at the start of your turn you may pick one of 3 effects

1 you may fire one more weapon then you are normally allowed at the speed you travelled
2 Your vechile may repair one weapon destroyed or one imobilized result but may not move this turn
3 your vechile may raise a 6+ inv save for this turn


Survivalist: martellus' vechile may use his BS skill however when his transport is destroyed he climbs fromthe wreckage on a 2+
he then acts in his above profile while in cover he can bolter it making it gain a 1+ to its cover save. while in cover he gains eternal warrior

Indrick Boreale 145 points
WS6 BS5 S4(5) T4 W3 I5 A3 Ld 9 Sv3+

wargear:
Bolt pistol
power armour
frag and krak
iron halo
Rogal's Fist

Rules:
Rogal's fist is a master crafted power mace which adds 1 to boreale's strength (shown in profile)

Steel rain: if you include Indrick in your army drop pods become free dedicated transports and all terminators must enter play by deepstrike however rhino's razorbacks may not be taken. in addition all reserve rolls that are not successful MUST be re-rolled. (indricks favouriten deployment was deepstriking/ drop pods however he didn't not hold anything back in battles thus his enemies bore the brunt and still remained)

Overconfident:when within 6" of any blood ravens units indrick must charge if able to do so. ( not sure on this one)





new comments i hope and thank you for all those whos comment have made this codex better and more balanced so far


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Darkvoidof40k wrote:

Alphacerberus wrote:i do agree with most of what you have said although i will be defending some changes im planning a re write now

Spell check. Use it.

in that sentance is there anything wrong? only grammer xD sorry my brain works quicker than my hands i hope i haven't made many mistakes

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Also im tempted to add Azariah Vidya although hes dead he could be brought back almost like the sanguinor or possibley a mantle almost like Vulkans legacy its hard to write in such a powerful character with so little information

Darkvoidof40k wrote:You do realize Boreale is dead?

Alphacerberus wrote:

Darkvoidof40k wrote:You do realize Boreale is dead?

ofcourse but i don't want to deny people of the characters they want its like tycho in C:BA hes dead but still in the codex because he production team liked him

Darkvoidof40k wrote:
Haha, nobody wants Boreale.

Fire_for_effect wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeCfod1XT7E
this should be the inspiration for any Blood Ravens stuff

Darkvoidof40k wrote:You really must stop messing with the standard Captain profile.

"Great Space Marine heroes that are better than the standard? Pshaw! Lets make them less charismatic, give them less resolve, and represent it with LD9 and below! Wahah!"

Captain's will not get worse when they become special characters, they get better. But you mustn't ramp their profiles up in silly ways, and you especially cannot "justify" this by reducing other stats.

An attack here, a wound there, special rules all round - that's what makes special characters.

Alphacerberus wrote:

Darkvoidof40k wrote:I disagree.

For one, Boreale is dead. Nobody likes him, he should be out of the codex. You've already got more than enough with the upgrade characters.

hes just in there for people who might want him and id rather give people ooptiosn than limit them

Speaking of them, there is no way Cyrus can carry all those guns. His profile needs options to pick a weapon for a points cost, and each one has an ability.

(cyrus can only use one weapon the same on his scouts are equiped with this represents him changing his load out on every mission)

Also, you're wrong. Special Characters does mean that they're the best. That's why they're special and not standard.

im saying the same thing when you said every captain should be Ld 10 im dissagreeing since some captains are less compitent than others such as boreale and diomedes

Jonah shouldn't actually be an upgrade character considering he's a Librarian, which is normally an Independent character.

reasoning for this is that Jonah always works closely with other squads and ive seen him as more of a support character and the codex already has a powerful psycher

Martellus is carrying too much as well. He shouldn't even have a twin-linked bolter. Just give him the same deal as Cyrus - can pick from boltgun with special ammunition, Plasma gun, Meltagun, Flamer etc. Besides he is NOT a tank commander, he's a tech marine. Just give him a bonus to repair rolls.

(Martellus is a tank commander and does have experience he pilots a tank if the traitor in DoW CR and is constantly within vechiles and repairing them also every techmarine does some innate knowledge on tank command, and lastly i wanted a techmarine special character in at leats one codex as everyhing apart from a apothicary (although some argue corbulo is one) are not represented as "powerful" characters)

Azariah Kyras is still extremely underpowered, and Gabriel's rules are silly. His hammer doesn't shoot bolts of magic lightning or whatever. The Wailing Doom piece should only be represented by the invulnerable save meddling.
(i disagree again as with most weapons its not a lightning strike or anything its the force of the hammer smashing the ground around him much like the avatar does when it does its wailing doom specials) also on kyras on his last wound does a strike of S8 AP 1 assault 3? thats if he doesn't regen and a 3++ could be lowered to a 2++ but then he would be almost unstoppable

This all sounds like a rant, but your fandex needs a lot of work, and your special characters are the largest problem at the minute. Therefore, at some point I will post my versions of them, and you can get some ideas from there.

Honestly, something I've learned from my fandex - before you go to special characters, get the standard 'dex right.

Footsloggin wrote:Needs more Librarians!!! According to Lexicanum, the Blood Angels specialty is Librarians, a Librarian Battle Squad should be able to be taken, as their fluff states that their First Company has two Librarian Battle squads. Meaning an entire squad consisting only of Librarians...

The Zoat wrote:"sigh" That poor force commander, no one likes the poor fellow.

The Zoat wrote:I meant IndBore