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Sombody told me today that they read the new GK codex and relayed a very vexing story to me. According to him, there's some background where a group of Grey Knights comes to a world where an artifact has corrupted it's inhabitants by chaos. There is an Adepta Sororitas convent on this planet, however the battle sisters have not been corrupted due to their faith and purity. The first thing the GK's do is slaughter the sisters, desecrate the bodies, and smear their blood all over themselves before purging the rest of the planet. Ok, so the murder of faithful ecclesiarchy aside, when did the noble Grey Knights start covering themselves with the blood of their innocent victims? If this is true it seems like Khorne would really approve of Grey Knights.
I'm not sure I totaly believe him and it might be his little April Fools joke since he also said there are Grey Knights using daemon swords and going into the warp to kill daemons permanently.
The part about using daemon swords and going in the warp is true... But "Using daemon swords" is a misnomer... The only GK I know of using a daemon sword is Castellan Crowe, the head of the Purifiers.
He's not actually using the sword... He's keeping it safe since it can't be destroyed and basically uses his faith to keep the sword from spreading corruption. Incidentally he uses it as a beating stick, but doesn't harness its powers.
Imho in this view it's actually quite cool... Only his supreme faith and purity are able to contain the evil influences of the sword, and thus he carries it as a burden, while being constantly challenged and taunted by it.
That said I dunno about the sororitas thing... The fluff in the codex isn't that great, but superficial misreading often worsen the situation more than what it really is.
At this point Matt Ward's just seeing what he can get away with, honestly I don't really mind that this codex seems OP (just means my Eldar will be even better when they get redone ) but I'm kinda worried that the fluff is taking such a nosedive. Please don't let this man near the Black Library.
Eldar shenanigans are the best shenanigans! DQ:90S++G+M--B+IPw40k09#+D++A++/areWD-R++T(T)DM+
Their lives are filled with ritual, meditation and self-denial, designed to strengthen the mind and steel the soul against the horrors of the daemonic. The Chapter's warriors are heavily conditioned to resist the whispered seductions of Chaos and the honeyed lies of daemonic creatures. These precautions are vital and, thus far, have proven to be effective, as not a single Grey Knight has faltered in battle or become a pawn of the Dark Powers.
And
Index Astartes Grey Knights
The Grey Knights fight in baroque, heavily ornamented suits of armour with the Chapter's symbol, a sword through a tome, prominently displayed. They fight with the finest equipment and weapons the Imperium can manufacture, mighty sigil-encrusted swords and halberds. These warriors alone can stand before the might of a Greater Daemon with any hope of banishing it back to the Immaterium from whence it came.
GeckoOBac wrote:He's not actually using the sword... He's keeping it safe since it can't be destroyed and basically uses his faith to keep the sword from spreading corruption.
They live on Titan, why wouldn't they just toss it into Jupiter? I'd like to seem someone fetch it from the center of a gass giant when the pressure is 100 million times that of Earth's surface pressure (not a made up number). Throw it into the Sun for that matter.
You see, if they did that, then in the upcoming Necron codex it'll have the Nightbringer fly into the middle of Jupiter, take the sword, and then ride around the galaxy with it, just winning. It'll be called Charlie Sheen.
Eldar shenanigans are the best shenanigans! DQ:90S++G+M--B+IPw40k09#+D++A++/areWD-R++T(T)DM+
MandalorynOranj wrote:You see, if they did that, then in the upcoming Necron codex it'll have the Nightbringer fly into the middle of Jupiter, take the sword, and then ride around the galaxy with it, just winning. It'll be called Charlie Sheen.
Ok not this over the top but it's exactly what I thought... It's not like in 40k we lack entities with godlike powers and so on. I mean, there are ACTUAL STAR EATING CREATURES. If you can't destroy the sword you can't simply put it somewhere that "cannot be reached". Stars explode, die, warp storms move things around, etc...
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It's a daemon bound in a sword, destroy the physical presence of the sword, release the daemon. Hide it in Jupiter, well I'm sure a daemon who can distort space and time can go there and get it, or the sword can probably find it's way into someone or somethings hands by itself.
As for the sororitas thing, lolwut? you cannot be serious about that...
And that is why you hear people yelling FOR THE EMPEROR rather than FOR LOGICAL AND QUANTIFIABLE BASED DECISIONS FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE MAJORITY!
Phototoxin wrote:Kids go in , they waste tonnes of money on marnus calgar and his landraider, the slaneshi-like GW revel at this lust and short term profit margin pleasure. Meanwhile father time and cunning lord tzeentch whisper 'our games are better AND cheaper' and then players leave for mantic and warmahordes.
daveNYC wrote:The Craftworld guys, who are such stick-in-the-muds that they manage to make the Ultramarines look like an Ibiza nightclub that spiked its Red Bull with LSD.
All I'm saying is anything with the moxey to eat Jupiter or re-arrange time in order to get at a sword could probably handle a Grey Knight. Yes stars explode and planets die, but how long does a space marine live? Especialy one that fights all the time.
Leigen_Zero wrote:It's a daemon bound in a sword, destroy the physical presence of the sword, release the daemon. Hide it in Jupiter, well I'm sure a daemon who can distort space and time can go there and get it, or the sword can probably find it's way into someone or somethings hands by itself.
As for the sororitas thing, lolwut? you cannot be serious about that...
Yes he can. Page 15 of the new GK Codex, section labelled "876.M41 The Bloodtide Returns".
As for the Daemonblade, all they need to do to destroy it is borrow a wraithcannon from some Eldar and use it to send one half of the blade into the warp. That'd be a broken sword. Other possible solutions include:
Give it to Draigo, he seems to be doing pretty OK in the Warp...
Take it to the Emperor and let him mindbeam it into oblivion
Ask the Collegia Titanica to use it for target practice
Ask the Imperial Navy to use it for target practice
Use some handwavium to generate enough antimatter to annihalate (literally!) the sword
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Cannibal wrote:Sombody told me today that they read the new GK codex and relayed a very vexing story to me. According to him, there's some background where a group of Grey Knights comes to a world where an artifact has corrupted it's inhabitants by chaos. There is an Adepta Sororitas convent on this planet, however the battle sisters have not been corrupted due to their faith and purity. The first thing the GK's do is slaughter the sisters, desecrate the bodies, and smear their blood all over themselves before purging the rest of the planet. Ok, so the murder of faithful ecclesiarchy aside, when did the noble Grey Knights start covering themselves with the blood of their innocent victims? If this is true it seems like Khorne would really approve of Grey Knights.
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Aaaugh... yes 40k is an overly grimdark, hopeless universe, but this? This just goes straight into Wall Banger territory.
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The Kool-Aid Man is NOT cool! He's a public menace, DESTROYING walls and buildings so he can pour his sugary juice out for people!"- Linkara on the Kool-Aid Man
htj wrote:I break my conscripts down into squads of ten, then equip them with heavy weapons and special weapons. I pay 1pt to upgrade their WS, BS and Ld, then combine them into larger squads when deployed. I've found them to be quite effective.
Maybe he's trying to justify that the pure blood of the sisters acted as protection against the daemonic (which the GK woulden't need anyway).......that just sounds slowed though
Oh god... I read the story on page 15... it's just so utterly horrible. I mean, I knew Ward was bad. Like, really fething bad. But this is beyond anything he's ever done. I mean, he bent the Grey Knights over and screwed them straight up the rear with no lube, we all knew that the moment we heard his name, but this is like doing it with a pinecone.
I mean... this is just disgusting at the point. It goes beyond simple nerd rage now. I mean, going beyond all the incredibly mysogynistic subtext from that story, it's just so god damn bad.
Absolutely. It goes against all the fluff, even contradicting the fluff established in the same god damn book (ie, why the hell do they need to rub up in sister blood when the Aegis is the bees knees of daemon snubbery?), it's terribly written, and it's absurdly mysogynistic. It's a completely new low, and I really hope that it's never surpassed by GW.
I don't know. I'm too scared to touch the fluff portions of the book. I may do it later in a drunken haze (to numb the pain I would feel to read it), but now my mind is too clear to take on such a challenge.
blood reaper wrote:Is there any other really bad Grey Knight fluff?
Read the section on Lord Kaldor "I Fight Chaos and Doesn't Afraid of Anything" Draigo, or perhaps the part where Titan (the moon) flies through the warp while the GK's build their forces and appears just after the 2nd founding with *gasp* exactly 1000 Marines, just like a Codex Chapter!
Whether the rules within the GK Codex are good or not is kind've irrelevant at this point - Ward has destroyed the Grey Knight soul, forever taking away from them what they used to be.
Fafnir wrote:I don't know. I'm too scared to touch the fluff portions of the book. I may do it later in a drunken haze (to numb the pain I would feel to read it), but now my mind is too clear to take on such a challenge.
If it makes you feel better, that part was probably the most fethed up part of it all. Not saying that the rest is "good" or even "almost OK" though...
"HURR! I iz Castellan of da Purifuherz and I'z got diz here daemonbladez! HURR!" is kinda fail too...
For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back.
) but I'm kinda worried that the fluff is taking such a nosedive. Please don't let this man near the Black Library.
