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I apologize in advance for lack of photos, as games were somewhat rushed and things were hectic. I also apologize for the brevity of the reports, as these games happened three days ago now and I've played seven more games since then, on little sleep.


Going to the Adepticon championships, I brought a sub-optimal list, with a warbiker theme. I didn't have enough ork armies already, so I had to paint another one for this year, and I wanted it to be different than my other ork armies. In past years, I've run green tide orks, kanwall orks, and battlewagon orks, all to top-ten finishes. I have no illusions that this list will fare as well. On the other hand, warbikers are close to my heart as I'm a biker, and I love converting little plastic motorcycles.

A not-the-best photo of the boyz taken in my dark and dingy basement. Click for a thread with some closeups...




My list:

HQ: Wazdakka Gutsmek
HQ: Warboss, bike, powerklaw, cybork body
Troops: 7 warbikers + PK/bosspole Nob
Troops: 7 warbikers + PK/bosspole Nob
Troops: 6 nob bikers, all different, including painboy, 2 powerklaws, waaagh banner and bosspole (and some other stuff)
Troops: 19 ork slugga boyz w/ 2 rokkits, PK/bosspole Nob
Elite: Snikrot, 9 kommandos, 2 burnas
Fast: 2 rokkit buggies
Fast: 1 rokkit kopta
Heavy: Battlewagon, kannon, armour plates, deathrolla, big shoota, grot rigger


Game One

I do not know if it is true, but supposedly, first round pairings were done with the player's home state (or country) taken into consideration, meaning that two players from the same place wouldn't face each other in the first round. Being from Illinois, I got to play Tom Curzi, from right across the border in Wisconsin. We've played several times before in the Adeptus Windy City circuit.

Today, Tom's running Chaos Space Marines:

HQ: Greater Daemon
HQ: Winged Warptime Prince
HQ: Winged Warptime Prince
Troops 5 plague marines, 2 plasma guns, champion w/ icon, rhino w/ havok launcher & dozer blade
Troops 5 plague marines, 2 plasma guns, champion w/ icon, rhino w/ havok launcher & dozer blade
Troops 5 plague marines, champion w/ icon
Elite: 3 terminators w/ 2 meltas, 1 heavy flamer
Elite: 3 terminators w/ 2 meltas, 1 heavy flamer
Heavy: Vindicator, Daemonic Possession
Heavy: Vindicator, Daemonic Possession
Heavy: Land Raider, Daemonic Possession, Dozer Blade


Mission:
Spearhead Deployment

Objectives:
Kill Points
Table Quarters
HQ in table center


I win the roll for first turn, and give it to Tom. He deploys to my right, I then put everything in reserve. He's got his princes closest to the center, and has hunkered down to present a front along the circular deployment area. He takes his first two movement phases to push more to the middle, and his Greater Daemon arrives, fairly far to his right. I can't recall if the terminators showed up or not here.

My turn two, I come on heavily on the left, hoping to draw his princes away from the bulk of his army, so I can handle them separately. Shooting takes a couple of wounds of a prince, and I think I killed a rhino or something too. It's kind of a blur.

Cutting to the chase, his princes went for the bait, although only one was in range to charge. It did, killed a couple of bikers and died to return attacks. His other stuff didn't have much impact - I may have lost a nob biker to a vindicator shot. My bikers shoot and assault the other prince, killing it, I deffrolla some stuff, burn out my slugga boyz in a big fight with two units of plagueys and one terminator unit. His other terminator squad killed my warboss, who had gone off solo, but my other warbiker squad killed his greater daemon, so objective three was out of the question.

I ended up winning on kill points, and snikrot showed up late enough to do nothing but contest the only quarter he was in, giving me two objectives to none, and the game win.


Game Two:

Versus Someone who didn't put their name on their army list's Blood Angels.

Here we have:
HQ: Librarian (Sanguine Sword, Unleash Rage), jump pack
HQ: Librarian (Sanguine Sword, Shield of Sanguinius), jump pack
Elite: 2 Priests (one with jump pack, one without)
Elite: Furioso in Pod, dual blood talons
Troops: 10 assault marines, melta, flamer, power fist, jump packs
Troops: 10 assault marines, melta, flamer, power fist, jump packs
Troops: 6 assault marines, Land Raider Redeemer
Troops: 6 tactical marines, drop pod
Troops: 10 sniper scouts, camo cloaks
Fast Attack: multimelta bike
Fast Attack: multimelta bike
Heavy: Dread w/ multimelta, drop pod

So, I see this, and know I have to play keep away. Either of those assault marine squads will eat any of my units, and together, they've got enough to eat all of my units.

Mission:

Deployment: Pitched Battle

Objectives:
Kill half or more kill points
Tactical Markers (objectives, one in middle, one in each deployment zone)
Recon: get most units entirely in opponent's deployment zone.

I don't recall who won the roll for first turn, but I do recall that he had it... He deploys everything to the left side of the field, keeping it all in that priestly bubble. I go in reserve. He puts scouts by both deployment zone objectives. First two turns, he moves up the left side of the table, so that when I roll reserves, he's pretty much at the mid-way point. His empty pods are down, one in the center of the table, to contest that objective, and one in my deployment zone, to contest that objective. Turn 2 - snikrot shows up... alone. I come on to kill the scouts in his deployment zone, hit them with a couple of flame templates, and I don't think I killed any.

So, his last pod comes in, and in case snikrot manages to kill the scouts, it comes in to protect his rear objective. He kinda stays in position this turn, with a little shuffling, and mostly shoots at snikrot's unit, killing all but the burnas and Snikrot himself - but they stay on the table. Must remember to move them up and shoota and kill those scouts...

Turn three, I get most of my stuff coming in. I bring it on to the right side. Battlewagon deffrollas over the pod in my deployment zone, and I shoot bikers at the nearby scouts, killing zero as they go to ground for a terminator save.

It's now turn four. He has to decide, is he going to get his units into my deployment zone, or is he going to try and kill my units. He has more units than me, so if he gets just some of his in my deployment zone, I cannot even contest that objective. He moves his jumpers and land raider in that direction, staying away from my objective which is surrounded by the bulk of my stuff. And he kills snikrot, who I did promptly forget to move and use last turn. (I'm slightly distracted at this point, which will be explained later).

So, the dance begins. He didn't commit to coming for me, so I'm going to need to get the objectives. My nobs ride into the woods to kill the scouts, and my bikers turbo-boost up the field to feint going for his deployment zone. I don't know if he's done the math to realize that I cannot win that objective, but if I can ensure his guys stay in my corner, it makes the rest of what I need to do easier. I take some potshots with the units that can, but I don't think I did much.

Turn five, he's pretty committed to his position. He takes a couple multimelta (attack biker & land raider) shots at my battlewagon, but from outside of 12", and they fail to make an impact. My nobs clear the pod from the center objective, and the tac squad that was left there. Other bikers have moved up towards his objectives and the five scouts up there. Shooting claims the attack bike that just shot at my wagon.

Game continues. Turn 6, he moves the land raider up and explodes my battlewagon with the multimelta on it. I clear out the objective in his deployment zone, and the game ends.

He's got the deployment zone objective, I've got the counter objectives, and neither of us killed half the other's scoring units. In fact, we did less than 500 points of damage to each other total, and tie on the victory points as well. That's good for me, because a direct engagement against those guys would almost certainly go against me, so I'm okay with the draw.

Moving on to
Game Three

Versus Dakka celebrity gamer... HulkSmash!

Cool, I get to play against his completely uncompetitive (according to internet rumour, of course) Tyranids.

He's running:
HQ: Tyranid Primes, dual boneswords
HQ: Tyranid Primes, dual boneswords
Elite: 2 hive guard
Elite: 2 hive guard
Elite: 2 hive guard
Troop: 10 Termagants
Troop: 10 Termagants
Troop: Tervigon, toxin sacs, catalyst, adrenal glands
Troop: Tervigon, toxin sacs, catalyst, adrenal glands
Troop: 17 genestealers
Troop: 17 genestealers
Heavy: Carnifex, 2x devourers
Heavy: Carnifex, 2x devourers

Yeah, I don't think I have any chance against this. Especially not playing against someone known to be a solid player.

Mission:
Deployment: Pitched Battle

Objectives:
Kill Points
5 objective markers
Marked for Termination - kill one unit that you nominate before deployment.

He picks my yellow biker unit. I pick his light-blue crested genestealer unit.

He deploys in a nice solid block in the middle - just like you should do against a fast army. No divide and conquer here. And then I brainfart and say I'm putting my guys in reserve - I'm kind of on auto-pilot at this point (as stated above, I'm slightly distracted). I realize the mistake before he moved any models, but he's got all those genestealers to infiltrate. I suggest we go get a beer, but he's gracious enough to allow me to deploy and play a real game. My list is so totally not a threat to his.... I put my wagon and nobs in the lower right corner, and reserve the other stuff. He infiltrates the genestealers into two large blocks of area terrain in the middle of the table.

So, my choices:

Shoot genestealers, in cover, with feel no pain
Assault into cover against genestealers

Meanwhile, his shooty guys with brainleach worms will pick off my units easily - and my guy's leadership is their biggest weakness to begin with - and his hiveguard will be instant-killing my nobs.

Cutting to the chase, I concentrate all my force on the one genestealer unit that I had marked for death, to at least salvage one objective from the game, and get tabled. Now 1-1-1. At least

Game Four

My opponent walks up, tells me he really doesn't want to play and I can win. I'm there to play games though, and a "win" when you're 1-1-1 doesn't really matter any more than a loss. He goes and talks to the judge. They say they'd rather he play. He does, but his heart isn't in it, and he makes several decisions based more on not wanting to stand up and move models than on what's smart. I don't know what more to say about that.

He's got a Straken blob list:

HQ: Straken, camo cloaks, medic, astropath, officer of the fleet, bodyguards, vox.
HQ: Inquisitor Lord, 3 mystics, emperor's tarot, psychic hood, psycannon
Elite: Callidus Assassin
Elite: 9 psyker battle squad
Troops:
Platoon 1: Command Squad, 4 lascannon squads, 4 power weapons, commissar w/ power weapon&vox
Platoon 2: Command Squad, 4 lascannon squads, 4 power weapons, commissar w/ power weapon&vox
Platoon 3: AlRahem, 3 meltaguns, 3 squads, 3 power weapons, commissar w/ power weapon&vox

Mission:
Deployment: Dawn of War

Objectives:
Kill Points
Seize Ground (tactical markers in your half of the table)
Take & Hold (tactical markers on opponent's half of the table)

Emperor's Tarot works, he takes first turn.

He puts one blob in the middle, near an interesting hangar-like terrain piece. I initially suggested that it be called impassable, as from my vantage point, it looked like it had walls on four sides, but he pointed out the open side, and suggested it be area terrain instead. Okay. So he deploys up inside it, with some guys behind it (from my perspective). Straken is behind this blob.

The other blob is off in a building on the far right. I shall attempt to ignore them, in spite of the one objective on each half of the table there. If I concentrate the rest of my stuff on the rest of his, I should do okay, cause he's essentially down 400 points that way.

Turn 1, he moves more guys into the hangar.

I roll on everything, not wanting to face the officer of the fleet, and wanting enough turns to do something. I kill some guys inside the hangar. I move one bike squad up to the edge of the hangar, so that he can't roll difficult terrain with that blob and just advance out and fire at me.

Turn 2, he brings in the callidus, and the psyker squad. I knew they were there, but he tells me that the psykers can both run, and use their -leadership power. Not needing to argue this, okay... I'm sure he's right, but it just feels wrong. I'm not sure why this is not considered a psychic shooting attack...

Al-Rahem shows up too. So, this is the big strike. My battlewagon explodes to meltaguns. And the warbiker squad that wazdakka was in gets neurally shredded and goes away. But, the order for the guys in the hangar to first-rank/second-rank fails to do much, as his guys cannot see through the hangar walls. He thought that, because it was area terrain, he'd still be able to shoot if he was in there, but I explained that true-line-of-sight still matters, even with area terrain, and if you can't see through a wall, you can't shoot through it.

So, I lost a unit, a character, and a transport. But then I get to hit back. Snikrot shows up, and his burnas make a mess of Al-Rahem's platoon. This is really the place where my opponent not wanting to move models hurt him. He knew I had the burnas, but rather than spread his men out, he left them on some movement trays, allowing me to burna far more than I would otherwise have been able to. I may still have won an assault though, so who knows. The boyz who were in the battlewagon go and kill Al'Rahem. My surviving warbiker unit moves up and guns down the psykers. Rokkit buggies kill the Callidus (my nob bikers were to shoot on her if she survived that) - leaving the nobs to engage the hangar blob.

Summing up the rest of the battle, the nobs kill the blob and straken's unit. The warboss goes off solo for another platoon command. Snikrot's gang eventually catch up to and kill the rest of Al'rahem's platoon, and the wagon boyz spread out to grab a couple of objectives. The warbikers go shooting at a platoon command, while dodging psycannon fire. One surviving buggy contests the objective near his lascannon blob, and I end up winning all three objectives.

So, I ended up going 2-1-1 with my non-competitive warbikers.

As for the distractions...

My goal in the championship was not to make the finals, it was to win best appearance. I decided to bring warbikers because they're amazingly characterful models, and allow for a lot of customization and converting. Part of playing for appearance is that you have to demonstrate a lot of different skills - modelling, painting, weathering, basing, freehand, and so on. One of the keys is giving the judges more stuff to look at - you want them to see something new each time they look at your models, so you have to have details everywhere.

Anyhow, mid-round two, the judges kept coming back to my table. I'd made the final cut, and they made several trips back and forth between the finalists, to the point that they started looking at the undersides of the models to try and find reasons to make the final choice. This was the first time I'd made the final cut, and so I was kind of in la-la land, worrying that the undersides of my models weren't good enough - and who the other finalists were. There are so many beautiful armies present, and I've been an appearance judge in the past, and picking just one to win it is not easy.

After my goof in deployment against Hulk, I got my head back on - of course, against his army, that hardly mattered anything more than getting one objective from the game.

I did end up winning Best Appearance, and with soft-scores factored in, finished in 21st place out of the 245 participants - good enough to be in the top ten percent. With ork warbikers... But you know, they're not competitive.

   
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Awesome report buddy! Your army definitely looks awesome

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Congrats on the Award. They still aren't competitive.

Oh, and Nids very much are.

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That was a classy move by Hulksmash to be sure.

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Nicely done! Awesome army and great report.

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Redbeard wrote:My opponent walks up, tells me he really doesn't want to play and I can win. I'm there to play games though, and a "win" when you're 1-1-1 doesn't really matter any more than a loss. He goes and talks to the judge. They say they'd rather he play. He does, but his heart isn't in it, and he makes several decisions based more on not wanting to stand up and move models than on what's smart. I don't know what more to say about that.


I think that may have been a product of the invitational tournament. A lot of people seemed to be playing only to qualify for that, and when they didn't they wanted to go home and pout I guess. There were a lot of drops this year. I think dropping for anything but an emergency is unbelievably immature, but there are a lot of immature people.

Congrats on the best appearance, you have an amazing army (internet pictures just don’t do it justice) and you beat out some extremely strong competition. Sounds like a super successful day for you.

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Nice Job. I remember you telling me Thursday that best appearence was your goal for the tourney and you accomplished it, Congratz.
   
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Redbeard, your army looks amazing! Great job on Best Appearance!

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Congrats. Your army looks awesome. They definitely have a retro 2nd era Orks color scheme to them, which I think looks awesome on the table top.

   
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whitedragon wrote:That was a classy move by Hulksmash to be sure.

Agreed. Kudos to him!

ArtfcllyFlvrd wrote:
Redbeard wrote:My opponent walks up, tells me he really doesn't want to play and I can win. I'm there to play games though, and a "win" when you're 1-1-1 doesn't really matter any more than a loss. He goes and talks to the judge. They say they'd rather he play. He does, but his heart isn't in it, and he makes several decisions based more on not wanting to stand up and move models than on what's smart. I don't know what more to say about that.

I think dropping for anything but an emergency is unbelievably immature, but there are a lot of immature people.

While yes, ofc there are - I don't think them choosing to leave an event they already paid for is really THAT immature. A bit, yes, but hardly enough to even comment on.

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Redbeard, you were my favorite opponent of the weekend man. My list is your kryptonite but you made a solid try at it and had a great attitude doing it (not something you can say about all players if they run into a wall list-wise). I was stoked you won best painted too.

And speaking of classy moves Redbeard was kind enough not to just sprint his two remaining bikes from his marked unit around the table to try to avoid giving up that objective. Instead he returned my solid in the spirit of our game and threw them into the middle of the table

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Fantastic looking army Redbeard, and not too shabby a showing either!

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Great job Redbeard! And good for you Hulksmash on allowing it to be an actual game!
   
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*edit* And you're right about their competitiveness.

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Might i ask where you guys got those objective cards?
Nevermind, wrong thread

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@Hulk - I don't think I've ever had as much fun having my butt kicked across the table as in that game. Sometimes, you just have to accept your fate and see what you can salvage from it. It was great to meet you in person.

@Thunder Child - Objective Cards? I don't understand.

Unless you mean how there are three goals for each mission - that's a new approach that is being run at large tournaments like Adepticon and (I think) Nova, and some others. Basically, each game, there are three different mission goals. One might be kill points, one might be objective counters, and so on. The player who achieves more of these goals wins the game.


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@Thunder Child - oh, heh, Ninja'd.


@Dash - We're just going to have to agree to disagree. I'll concede that they're not competitive for the style of game you prefer. I enjoy soft-score tournaments, and work to earn points in both soft and hard categories. I came home with a plaque, many people with more "competitive" lists didn't. They're competitive in the way that I choose to compete. How's that?

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Elessar wrote:While yes, ofc there are - I don't think them choosing to leave an event they already paid for is really THAT immature. A bit, yes, but hardly enough to even comment on.


It messes the day up for everybody. It's a serious headache for the TOs, your opponent misses out because they usually either have to play up or play down which then messes up whoever they now have to play. You waist money and all because you are in a sour mood because you lost. It's extremely immature and should really be discouraged.

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I know the guy. He's not in love with the Straken Guard list, but he's put a LOT of work into it, and thinks it gives him the best chance to win. It wipes you out running it in timed tournaments, as it's just so many models. He was just not feeling good and wanted to get some rest before the rest of the weekend. I disagree with it too, but I understand his choice. Another good friend of mine ran Deathwing instead of Straken horde Friday, even though he, too, considers his Straken army to be stronger, specifically to conserve energy for Sat & Sun and not be so tired.

Anyway, great report, Red, and huge congrats on Best Appearance! Beating Brandon and some of those other armies was a hell of a challenge. Way to Cowboy Up.

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Yeah, I can understand his position. And it was a nasty list, if it wasn't for the weird LOS blocking terrain, I think I'd have been in a whole lot more hurt, because there were 120 lasgun shots that kind of got lost in there - even flashlights work in that kind of number.

Grats on your strong finish too, that's quite impressive for running a non-competitive codex

   
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I am honestly shocked that he didn't realize how LOS would work with the thing. He must have been really overtired. As you say, without the LOS-blocking wall, he would have had a good position there; able to FRF, SRF, then absorb the charge.

Thanks on the congrats. I was SO close to qualifying. Still, 2nd of 245 feels pretty awesome as far as a full GT-style event.

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ArtfcllyFlvrd wrote:
Elessar wrote:While yes, ofc there are - I don't think them choosing to leave an event they already paid for is really THAT immature. A bit, yes, but hardly enough to even comment on.


It messes the day up for everybody. It's a serious headache for the TOs, your opponent misses out because they usually either have to play up or play down which then messes up whoever they now have to play. You waist money and all because you are in a sour mood because you lost. It's extremely immature and should really be discouraged.


I get it, I just think that forcing someone to play a game they don't want to ruins it for them and their opponent anyway. It's something that shouldn't be encouraged, but e-raging about it after the event does no-one any favours...especially since I assume we all want to grow the hobby, and that's (for good or ill) going to be the case with a number of people receptive to playing with toy soldiers.

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I don't think anyone is e-raging.

I think if you sign up for a four round tournament, you should be prepared to play four games, barring family or medical emergency, regardless of what your record is going into the fourth game.

   
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Absolutely (and it wasn't an accusation, but if someone who HAD dropped read that they may interpret it much more harshly, ie, take it personally) - but at the end of the day this is a game, and why play a game that isn't fun?

I think everyone should aim to play as many games as they tell the TO (by attending) that they will, but I understand it doesn't work out that way. Maybe it annoys me less as I'm not a TO, I don't know.

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Elessar wrote:Absolutely (and it wasn't an accusation, but if someone who HAD dropped read that they may interpret it much more harshly, ie, take it personally) - but at the end of the day this is a game, and why play a game that isn't fun?


Is the game only fun when you win? Does not making the top 16 out of 240 guys make it unfun? That's the immature attitude I'm talking about. It is just a game but some people traveled from very far away to participate in the event, and lots of people dropping takes away from the event for those people and everyone else. We can all be big boys and have a good time even if the games don't go the way we want.

And the guy who played redbeard at least asked and then stuck around for the game, I give him credit for trying even when he was having a disappointing day. But I helped staff the event and there were a lot of guys who just bailed without telling anyone. That's pretty bad form, I think we should all really stress that if you commit to playing four rounds, then you need to play four rounds.

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Elessar wrote:Absolutely (and it wasn't an accusation, but if someone who HAD dropped read that they may interpret it much more harshly, ie, take it personally) - but at the end of the day this is a game, and why play a game that isn't fun?


Is the game only fun when you win? Does not making the top 16 out of 240 guys make it unfun? That's the immature attitude I'm talking about. It is just a game but some people traveled from very far away to participate in the event, and lots of people dropping takes away from the event for those people and everyone else. We can all be big boys and have a good time even if the games don't go the way we want.

And the guy who played redbeard at least asked and then stuck around for the game, I give him credit for trying even when he was having a disappointing day. But I helped staff the event and there were a lot of guys who just bailed without telling anyone. That's pretty bad form, I think we should all really stress that if you commit to playing four rounds, then you need to play four rounds.


Oh, absolutely, bailing without informing the TO/staff is terribly immature. THAT should be punished, it's incredibly rude. However, if I pay (for instance, flying from the UK) in the region of £1000 or even 2000 to attend a tournament, and have a spate of bad luck that sees placing in what I consider a reasonable position unattainable? Or I have an incident in which one of my models is broken/stolen/eaten by a child? In that case, you're damn right I'm dropping - because if investment =/= reward then I'm off to do something more fun than a pointless game like I can get anytime back home (not against an American, sure, but still - the game is, for me, as important as a pick-up game now) so I'd more likely watch the top tables/attend some other thing at the convention/head early to the bar/catch up on sleep or eating/challenge someone e-famous to a game becasue that will be more interesting than a random guy.

That said, I would apologise to my paired opponent, and to the TO, in person.


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Oh - and it isn't only fun when I *DO* win, but only when I *CAN* win.

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Personally, I'd love to see Adepticon adopt a policy of "if you drop out of a tournament, you're done for the weekend." Exceptions can be applied as appropriate for actual emergencies and the like (all of which require informing the TO).

Getting rounds 2 & 3 of the Gladiator underway were painful, as we tried to figure out who had dropped, as opposed to who was wandering around looking for their opponent.

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Elessar wrote:Oh, absolutely, bailing without informing the TO/staff is terribly immature. THAT should be punished, it's incredibly rude. However, if I pay (for instance, flying from the UK) in the region of £1000 or even 2000 to attend a tournament, and have a spate of bad luck that sees placing in what I consider a reasonable position unattainable? Or I have an incident in which one of my models is broken/stolen/eaten by a child? In that case, you're damn right I'm dropping - because if investment =/= reward then I'm off to do something more fun than a pointless game like I can get anytime back home (not against an American, sure, but still - the game is, for me, as important as a pick-up game now)


I guess if I flew over to Europe for a tourney and got knocked out I might say screw it and sight see also. But even if you make the TO aware it can mess up pairings and other stuff. It's better but I still think playing the games you committed to is best.

And I don't know everyone that dropped but I did get a chance to meet a lot of the guys from Europe, Japan, etc and none of them dropped. Granted they all did pretty well, but my read is most of the drops were motivated solely because they weren't going to qualify for the invitational.




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Janthkin wrote:Personally, I'd love to see Adepticon adopt a policy of "if you drop out of a tournament, you're done for the weekend." Exceptions can be applied as appropriate for actual emergencies and the like (all of which require informing the TO).

Getting rounds 2 & 3 of the Gladiator underway were painful, as we tried to figure out who had dropped, as opposed to who was wandering around looking for their opponent.


They used to do that. I think for awhile they even thought about banning you. But they have laxed up on that. I'm not sure why, some of it is keeping track of all those drops, some of it is the grueling schedule, some of it is that policy makes people angry. So it isn't really enforced anymore.

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We had about 20 no--shows for the Championships. No-shows are easy to deal with. Additionally, we had a total of six drops and a handful of people that showed up like 20 mins late for a round. Only two of those six drops informed up they were leaving.

There is nothing worse for a TO then putting up seeded table assignments for 240+ players to find out 2 or 3 people in various brackets decided to skip. Our Conduct Policy has stated the following for years:

Quitting: We are all adults and are expected to behave as such. Quitting during an event affects the quality of the experience for all attendees and creates a significant disruption for event staff. Failure to finish an event at AdeptiCon will lead to forfeiture of all scheduled events for the rest of the weekend and being placed on the banned list for all future AdeptiCons. That said, obviously there are legitimate circumstances that would require someone to have to leave the event. For such instances, please speak to the head event staff prior to leaving the premises so the judges can have time to make the proper adjustments. Appropriate reasons include such things as Family, Health, and Work-related emergencies. Getting an early start at the bar or on the road, while highly appealing, are not legitimate excuses.

   
 
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