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 techsoldaten wrote:
Yeah M0ff3l, we all appreciate you for starting this thread and keeping this open. I am glad you are happy with what you are getting and sharing all these insights into working with Blue Table Painting.

There was a lot of confusion about working with miniature painting services before, but this has done a lot to clear up the confusion. I am glad you have proven that all anyone needs to do is communicate clearly for Blue Table Painting to do their best work. This clears up all the confusion started by that tenebre thread and makes it clear he never spoke with them.

Next time I am looking for a level 3 paint job for some miniatures I will be sure to think of Blue Table Painting. So thank you M0ff3l you are doing the entire community a service and proving a point.

Was going to say what? until I remembered your other post on tenbre's thread

@techsoldaten: powerful sarcasm
i can almost taste it...

 plastictrees wrote:

That a professional painter thought that shading bone-white with a highly saturated brown was a brilliant idea is ridiculous, but I think we are overlooking that M0ff3l had to point out and ask for correction of visible primer on a Level 5 mini.

i had to point out the same thing last night, as M0ff3l was completely glazing over the fact that he asked for the simplest solution to correct a poor attempt at painting the cloak on the first try...
i am not going to assume what he thinks, but it looks to me like he asked for a foolproof solution here because he doesn't trust the company to do a decent job of shading the cloak, since the muffed it the first time around...

@M0ff3l: nice of you to completely ignore my posts from last night, even though i tried really hard not to be judgemental of you or your attitude...
you retract your statement about us quality painters being unable to do a good job, but don't one apologize for insulting us...
bedankt, jonge...
je bent een echte geweldige vent...

cheers
jah

Is there a picture of this cloak? I looked through the last few pages and didn't see it.

 frozenwastes wrote:
Is there a picture of this cloak? I looked through the last few pages and didn't see it.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/300/622435.page#7423782

I'd be so annoyed with the picture quality BTP were coming up with for WIP shots. I just spent an hour or two spraying Tyranids blue in poor light, and was sure I covered them all before I got them under my painting lights and saw just how much I missed.

They have terribly low standards for a professional service.

IMO, they made no attempt to colour match the Plague Marines with the picture provided to them. They've primed white, washed it in Duck Egg Green or similar and called it a Plague Marine.

The fact that their professional pride allowed them to send you a picture of that cloak in the first place is shocking. They've got no standards, no respect for customers and with any luck they'll go out of business.

Where is the new shot of the plague marines? I seem to have missed this.

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Where is the new shot of the plague marines? I seem to have missed this.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/270/622435.page#7419416

 Eldarain wrote:

 frozenwastes wrote:
Is there a picture of this cloak? I looked through the last few pages and didn't see it.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/300/622435.page#7423782

Thanks! I didn't like the first cloak either. The all white repaint could be vastly improved by a simple subtle brownish-grey glaze manually painted into the recesses. Just something to help trick the eyes a bit. The dark brown shading was way too much and the all white with no shading is just too little.

In the end though, I think mof will be happy with what he gets. I wouldn't be happy with it, but it's not my army.

whoops wrong quote

 Casey's Law wrote:
That looks pretty poor to my eye but the photographs are horrendously unprofessional so it's hard to actually see anything worth seeing. I'm glad you are happy with it though even if I wouldn't be. Wouldn't be very nice if you were disappointed after paying all that money.

There's way too much flash to see the figures properly there. What has level 3 cost him per figure for this?

 jah-joshua wrote:
@techsoldaten: powerful sarcasm
i can almost taste it...

 plastictrees wrote:

That a professional painter thought that shading bone-white with a highly saturated brown was a brilliant idea is ridiculous, but I think we are overlooking that M0ff3l had to point out and ask for correction of visible primer on a Level 5 mini.

i had to point out the same thing last night, as M0ff3l was completely glazing over the fact that he asked for the simplest solution to correct a poor attempt at painting the cloak on the first try...
i am not going to assume what he thinks, but it looks to me like he asked for a foolproof solution here because he doesn't trust the company to do a decent job of shading the cloak, since the muffed it the first time around...

@M0ff3l: nice of you to completely ignore my posts from last night, even though i tried really hard not to be judgemental of you or your attitude...
you retract your statement about us quality painters being unable to do a good job, but don't one apologize for insulting us...
bedankt, jonge...
je bent een echte geweldige vent...

cheers
jah

You stated that I didnt pour my heart and soul into that mini, which is not true. I spend really long converting it, and send it to a commission service because I lack the painting skills to do it justice. So ofcourse I will be defensive about it. And yes, I asked for flat white, because my original request says: White with Tan Highlights... If those brown stains are what they call "highlights" then flat white is the way to go. If you feel so insulted by my poor choice of words, well then my apologies to you. However I feel like demanding an apology from me on this thread is very, very controversial as no one who insulted me apologized on here (cincererly atleast).

Also your post was made AFTER I said: "You are right, I should have phrased it, no commission painting service should paint depth into a cloak when the client requested just pure white. Anyways my point that this should not be faulted towards BTP but towards me still stands."

M0ff3l, fair enough, man...
i was talking about the paintjob, not the conversion...
this is a thread about a "professional" painting service's work...
had you made a thread about your own work, the comments would be very different all around...
the paintjob, and the painter's poor execution on the first attempt, has nothing to do with your conversions, which have been praised in this thread...

yes, i was insulted by your poor choice of words, and now you go and do it again...
i never demanded an apology...
i just pointed out that you retracted your statement without an apology...
that's a fact, not a demand...
if that makes me controversial, that's fine...
i stand by my words...

you glaze over the fact that the pure white was in response to the painter doing a poor job the first time around, yet defend the company by acting like you asked for flat white from the start...
i'm just pointing out the facts, and your quote of what you asked for above proves that you asked for something other than flat white originally...
i'm not here to fight with you, just pointing out the waffling in your story...
i tried to do it in the most non-judgemental way possible...

Blue Table Painting's work speaks for itself, so like Winterdyne, i'm over it...
this is a waste of time and effort...

best of luck to you...

cheers
jah

All the information is in the thread, my original request for white + tan highlights, their first attempt at that and me asking them to change it to white. If people hate on the white instead of the "tan highlights" then I feel like that is not fair, as I requested that white. If the posts had been about how ugly the cloak was on the first try, I wouldnt have defended BTP. But if they are about the white with no shading, thats what I requested, so its not really fair.

The reason for the change is that I didnt trust them with "highlights", so better leave it nice and white. That is indeed a very negative thing, and shouldnt happen when dealing with a proffessional studio.

How does white with tan highlights work, anyway? The tan is a darker color and makes more sense as a shade, white should be the highlight color.

 M0ff3l wrote:
The reason for the change is that I didnt trust them with "highlights", so better leave it nice and white. That is indeed a very negative thing, and shouldnt happen when dealing with a proffessional studio.

And you could have saved yourself a lot of arguing if you'd presented it this way at first, instead of defending BTP for "giving you exactly what you want". BTP didn't give you what you want, they gave you a low-quality substitute because you gave up on any hope of getting it done right. This is the point where I'd be demanding a refund, not continuing to pay them for models that they clearly aren't capable of finishing to the promised (and paid for!) standard.

 Azazelx wrote:

 Casey's Law wrote:
That looks pretty poor to my eye but the photographs are horrendously unprofessional so it's hard to actually see anything worth seeing. I'm glad you are happy with it though even if I wouldn't be. Wouldn't be very nice if you were disappointed after paying all that money.

There's way too much flash to see the figures properly there. What has level 3 cost him per figure for this?

This has still not been addressed and is, as far as I'm concerned, the only point of interest until it's rectified. These pictures are so bad that there really is no clear idea of what the miniatures look like. As someone else said, try painting even a simple coat of paint in a bad light and then see how it looks under the right lighting. These miniatures could easily be better or worse than I can currently tell but we won't know until we have pictures that show them realistically. All these photographs show is that they have begun to paint your miniatures in vaguely similar colours to those requested.

ya know what makes a awesome painting service ? one you cant trust too do highlights on models and then charge me the same/more as a service that can seems legit

It is one of the things I always hear is never paint anything a pure Black or White. It does not look quite right. With whites a cream brown color for a warm white and light blue grey for cold whites. Once the base is down then the highlighting and shading can be done.

I hope you got some money back from Blue Table Painting when hey couldn't paint the cloak properly and you had to compromise on quality.

 techsoldaten wrote:
Yeah M0ff3l, we all appreciate you for starting this thread and keeping this open. I am glad you are happy with what you are getting and sharing all these insights into working with Blue Table Painting.

There was a lot of confusion about working with miniature painting services before, but this has done a lot to clear up the confusion. I am glad you have proven that all anyone needs to do is communicate clearly for Blue Table Painting to do their best work. This clears up all the confusion started by that tenebre thread and makes it clear he never spoke with them.

Next time I am looking for a level 3 paint job for some miniatures I will be sure to think of Blue Table Painting. So thank you M0ff3l you are doing the entire community a service and proving a point.

You are Joking right?

 zlayer77 wrote:

 techsoldaten wrote:
Yeah M0ff3l, we all appreciate you for starting this thread and keeping this open. I am glad you are happy with what you are getting and sharing all these insights into working with Blue Table Painting.

There was a lot of confusion about working with miniature painting services before, but this has done a lot to clear up the confusion. I am glad you have proven that all anyone needs to do is communicate clearly for Blue Table Painting to do their best work. This clears up all the confusion started by that tenebre thread and makes it clear he never spoke with them.

Next time I am looking for a level 3 paint job for some miniatures I will be sure to think of Blue Table Painting. So thank you M0ff3l you are doing the entire community a service and proving a point.

You are Joking right?

Yes he is

 M0ff3l wrote:
All the information is in the thread, my original request for white + tan highlights, their first attempt at that and me asking them to change it to white. If people hate on the white instead of the "tan highlights" then I feel like that is not fair, as I requested that white. If the posts had been about how ugly the cloak was on the first try, I wouldnt have defended BTP. But if they are about the white with no shading, thats what I requested, so its not really fair.

The reason for the change is that I didnt trust them with "highlights", so better leave it nice and white. That is indeed a very negative thing, and shouldnt happen when dealing with a proffessional studio.

The thing is that there are great products on the market these days that make shading "easy"... Winsor&newton have thiners/and retarders for acrylics, same goes for commpanies like Vallejo.. I use alot of proffesional products that have been around for decades... What they do is make the Acrylics dry longer and become transperent... The only thing you then need to do is mix up about 5 diffrent shades of white going from darker to lighter... It will take alot longer then using washes and inks yes.. But not using them gives you alot more control over what you are doing... Painting shadows instead of using a wash is far superior when it comes to what your mini will look like when you are done.. And key Factor is you PAINT should be THIN and transperent and you work it up in layers going from dark to light...you can do it Light to dark also... but most people find it easier to work from dark to light... As long as you DO not use thick paint the endresult will look really good..
Washes and Inks are the amatures "quick fix", Most proffesional painters "that WIN Slayer Swords etc" do not use them... There are alot of them that sell painting DVDS etc.. There is one russian girl that is just insanly good..

Now Painting is an artform, and some people have Natural skills that make them alot better then the avrage person.. BUT you can train yourself to a good standard if you have recived propper training. Or have someone instruct you in how light hits and the tricks that can be used when painting miniatures.. BTP, looks to have no Natural skill or proffesional training.. So NO they cant pull off highlights on whites... But it is not that hard and I can PM you the exact products to use and how to use them, if you want to fix that White cloak when you get that miniature back in your hands.. It is not that hard to be honest...

Tell you what I can even paint a white Cloak with highlights and show you step by step what colors I am using and how much I deluted the paint etc.. And you can fix that miniatures cloak yourself... It will take you a few hours yes.. But it might be worth it?

 RivenSkull wrote:
I hope you got some money back from Blue Table Painting when hey couldn't paint the cloak properly and you had to compromise on quality.

Leave M0ff3l alone.

He hired Blue Table Painting as a miniature painting service, he is happy with the job they are doing, and that is the only thing that matters. He does not need to be harassed by people who hire painting services by do not communicate with them, or professional painters who think they could do a better job. He is performing a valuable service by demonstrating the correct way to engage in the communications process with Blue Table Painting and the outstanding customer service the miniature painting service delivers. This thread has made it clear the controversy with tenebre is manufactured and probably exaggerated, just like M0ff3l suggested when he told (and did not get) tenebre to post something to prove something that M0ff3l wanted to see before he would believe what tenebre said.

M0ff3l is getting exactly what he asked for, he likes pure white colors being painted on the HQ and the the converted Nurgle marines. More importantly, he has things to prove his points. Here are images of what he asked for and what Blue Table Painting is delivering and it is EXACTLY what he asked for.

So leave M0ff3l alone!

 techsoldaten wrote:
Leave M0ff3l alone!

Yeah!



M0ff3l, did you do the greenstuff work on that Nurgle marine?

 techsoldaten wrote:

 RivenSkull wrote:
I hope you got some money back from Blue Table Painting when hey couldn't paint the cloak properly and you had to compromise on quality.

Leave M0ff3l alone.

He hired Blue Table Painting as a miniature painting service, he is happy with the job they are doing, and that is the only thing that matters. He does not need to be harassed by people who hire painting services by do not communicate with them, or professional painters who think they could do a better job. He is performing a valuable service by demonstrating the correct way to engage in the communications process with Blue Table Painting and the outstanding customer service the miniature painting service delivers. This thread has made it clear the controversy with tenebre is manufactured and probably exaggerated, just like M0ff3l suggested when he told (and did not get) tenebre to post something to prove something that M0ff3l wanted to see before he would believe what tenebre said.

M0ff3l is getting exactly what he asked for, he likes pure white colors being painted on the HQ and the the converted Nurgle marines. More importantly, he has things to prove his points. Here are images of what he asked for and what Blue Table Painting is delivering and it is EXACTLY what he asked for.

So leave M0ff3l alone!

This post is dripping with so much sarcasm that you can fill William Taft's bathtub with it.

Some of these posts are a little Facetious.

I love it.

The reality of the issue is:

1.Mof is happy with what he is getting.

2.The works speak for themselves.

3. Mof might be a white knight

4. BTP is ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY PERCENT WATCHING THIS THREAD

5. We need to get the word out to the rest of the gaming community about BTP

6. We need to lay off Mof, so he keeps posting.


Thanks
Austin

 techsoldaten wrote:
Yeah M0ff3l, we all appreciate you for starting this thread and keeping this open. I am glad you are happy with what you are getting and sharing all these insights into working with Blue Table Painting.

There was a lot of confusion about working with miniature painting services before, but this has done a lot to clear up the confusion. I am glad you have proven that all anyone needs to do is communicate clearly for Blue Table Painting to do their best work. This clears up all the confusion started by that tenebre thread and makes it clear he never spoke with them.

Next time I am looking for a level 3 paint job for some miniatures I will be sure to think of Blue Table Painting. So thank you M0ff3l you are doing the entire community a service and proving a point.

hahah what? =)

 Redbad wrote:
2.The works speak for themselves.

They don't really. The first picture of the Marine has so much reflected light (camera flash?) that you can't see anything and the HQ pictures are friggin tiny with poor lighting so you can't make anything out. I'd think any professional painting service of that size would have a photography booth permanently set up so they can just take the model to the booth, snap a photo, send it off. First and foremost long before Tenebre's situation I never would have trusted blue table painting because they don't show proper images.

 techsoldaten wrote:

 RivenSkull wrote:
I hope you got some money back from Blue Table Painting when hey couldn't paint the cloak properly and you had to compromise on quality.

Leave M0ff3l alone.

He hired Blue Table Painting as a miniature painting service, he is happy with the job they are doing, and that is the only thing that matters. He does not need to be harassed by people who hire painting services by do not communicate with them, or professional painters who think they could do a better job. He is performing a valuable service by demonstrating the correct way to engage in the communications process with Blue Table Painting and the outstanding customer service the miniature painting service delivers. This thread has made it clear the controversy with tenebre is manufactured and probably exaggerated, just like M0ff3l suggested when he told (and did not get) tenebre to post something to prove something that M0ff3l wanted to see before he would believe what tenebre said.

M0ff3l is getting exactly what he asked for, he likes pure white colors being painted on the HQ and the the converted Nurgle marines. More importantly, he has things to prove his points. Here are images of what he asked for and what Blue Table Painting is delivering and it is EXACTLY what he asked for.

So leave M0ff3l alone!

Quality work from Blue Table Painting, a miniature painting service.


My favorite part of the techmarine is how the bolter is all "nurgly" in the same way that my seven year old uses paper mache. Oh that and the minimalism of detail on the entirety of the rest of the mini, really draws you back to the visceral "not a toddler using paper mache" look they were going for.

My favorite parts on cipher is how if i'm standing in my home in new england, these pics were taken in Toledo. Spain.


If we compare these to the level 4 and 6 work in Tenebrous' thread (also work by Blue Table Painting, a miniature painting service), i would assume that the plague marine is a level 53, , and cypher a level "divide by zero". The first costing 783.00 and the second costing the solution to the grand unification theory (including alpaca's, something that has thrown Hawking for years. fething alpaca's. It's like a pretentious Llama. ).


Anywho, I look forward to more updates on Blue Table Painting's work.


OH ! Techsoldat.... you should post their investment opportunity. Readers of this thread might like to see their opportunity to invest in Blue Table Painting, a miniature painting service. Well.... invest is a bit of a strong word. Invest suggests you'll get "equity" or "shares" or "ownership", but for 120k a year, you can get a shirt. And a cap! And 5 days in Spanish Fork Utah.


Post the link Tech, it would be selfish of you and I to keep this to ourselves!

 Haight wrote:

My favorite part of the techmarine is how the bolter is all "nurgly" in the same way that my seven year old uses paper mache. Oh that and the minimalism of detail on the entirety of the rest of the mini, really draws you back to the visceral "not a toddler using paper mache" look they were going for.

I think the OP did the green stuff conversion work, not BTP...