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I had a game with Grey Knights against Necrons and we wern't sure if you were able to use Hammerhand against the Monolith because it said that the unit had to use its unaugmented strength, so are you able to use Hammerhand or not?

Yes, it works just fine just like powerfists still work just fine.

Norade wrote:Yes, it works just fine just like powerfists still work just fine.

But a powerfist is 'augmenting' the strength of the user so it shouldn't count.

I thought you could just never roll more than a d6 against Monolith, and thats it.

GoDz KI11JOY x wrote:

Norade wrote:Yes, it works just fine just like powerfists still work just fine.

But a powerfist is 'augmenting' the strength of the user so it shouldn't count.

Necron FAQ wrote:Q. Does a model with a powerfist/claw that
attacks a Monolith get to double its Strength for
armour penetration rolls?
A. Yes, powerfists/claws, thunder hammers, and so on still double their user’s Strength when
attacking a Monolith.

There now. All settled.

God almighty, I can't wait for that new Codex so we can end this debate once and for all.

DaKKaLAnce wrote:I thought you could just never roll more than a d6 against Monolith, and thats it.

or its armour will never be reduced by weapons that reduce its armour such as a dark eldar dark lance/blaster.

I know that the Hammers work i just want to know if i can use the power Hammerhand against it.

rogersss wrote:I know that the Hammers work i just want to know if i can use the power Hammerhand against it.

I think that was the point of bringing up the Thunder Hammers.

Hammerhand adds to the strength of the Attack, not to the armor penetration roll. I would say that it works against the Monolith.

Im not 100% sure. Powerfists yes, but perhaps only S8? As in hammerhand "augments" the user's strength to 5, (then is doubled). I'd say there is a slight case for only S8.

Tank Hunters, AP 1, etc are examples of things effected by that part of the sentence. It says they only use their unaugmented strength plus a d6, so you wouldn't get +1 to the armor penetration, but you can still increase the base strength.

It's still not a "weapon". You're augmenting a models strength (ala furious charge) and that has no bearing on living metal as it only affects "weapons".

Also, Tank hunters doesn't work just FYI. AP 1 still works.

Okay thanks.

The unaugmented strength of the weapon "hammer" is 2 x users strength

You are altering the users strength, you are NOT modifying the weapons strength. Which is why powerfists et al have *always* worked.

Kevin949 wrote:Also, Tank hunters doesn't work just FYI. AP 1 still works.

Sorry, someone mentioned using AP 1 as a bonus to the AP roll recently and, even though I dismissed it then, it somehow popped into my head.

Hammer hand and migt of Titan will work against the monolith. But not the extra d6

The Hammerhead Always Affects The Monolith As It Is Not Augmented And Is Always S10 AP1.

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:The Hammerhead Always Affects The Monolith As It Is Not Augmented And Is Always S10 AP1.

They are talking about the Grey knight psyker power hammerhand...not the tau hammerhead, which is not even a weapon...it's a vehicle!

Shenra wrote:

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:The Hammerhead Always Affects The Monolith As It Is Not Augmented And Is Always S10 AP1.

They are talking about the Grey knight psyker power hammerhand...not the tau hammerhead, which is not even a weapon...it's a vehicle!

Touche!

Deamonhammers+ Hammerhand is no different than a nob going from S8 to S9 because of FC.

schadenfreude wrote:Deamonhammers+ Hammerhand is no different than a nob going from S8 to S9 because of FC.

Actually it is, because Hammerhand explicitly tells us to add before multiplying.

Jidmah wrote:

schadenfreude wrote:Deamonhammers+ Hammerhand is no different than a nob going from S8 to S9 because of FC.

Actually it is, because Hammerhand explicitly tells us to add before multiplying.

I know it's S10, that isn't my point.

My point is the legality of deamonhammers being S10 is no different than the legality of Nob power klaws being S9 when dealing with Living metal. If living metal can cancel hammer hand it can cancel FC. By the same logic if living metal can cancel hammerhand and cancel FC it can cancel a power fist and thus both the deamonhammer and powerklaw are S4. In order for a necron player to prove hammer hand does not work on a monolith the necron player needs to prove that a nob's FC also does not work, and they may as well try to prove power fists don't work either. They can't prove any of it, thus hammer hand, FC, and power fists work to full effect.

Living metal would however work against the USR of tank hunters as the tank hunter USR doesn't add +1S, it instead adds +1 to pen.

Jidmah wrote:

schadenfreude wrote:Deamonhammers+ Hammerhand is no different than a nob going from S8 to S9 because of FC.

Actually it is, because Hammerhand explicitly tells us to add before multiplying.

+1

Shenra wrote:

Jidmah wrote:

schadenfreude wrote:Deamonhammers+ Hammerhand is no different than a nob going from S8 to S9 because of FC.

Actually it is, because Hammerhand explicitly tells us to add before multiplying.

+1

Did you read what I said or gloss over it for something that can be quoted out of context?

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:The Hammerhead Always Affects The Monolith As It Is Not Augmented And Is Always S10 AP1.

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