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So I've started a thread in tactics for advice, and based off what I got there I've designed a Bretonnian force that I think should be able to chop through the huge blocks of infantry.

Lord Lord Lance, shield, barded warhorse, virtue of heroism, armour of fortune 200
Hero BSB barded warhorse, banner of defense, Virtue of duty 134
Hero Paladin Lance, shield, barded warhorse, virtue of the knightly temper 120
Hero Paladin Lance, shield, barded warhorse, virtue of confidence, sword of battle 130
Hero Damsel lore of beasts, dispel scroll 95
Core KotRx11 command 288
Core KotRx6 command 168
Core KotRx6 command 168
Core MaA x39 command 222
Rare GK x6 command 258
Rare Field Trebuchet 90
Rare Field Trebuchet 90

1963

The lord and 2 paladins take the front rank in the big KotR unit with the BSB in the middle of the 2nd rank. The rest should be pretty self explanatory.

That leaves me with some points to play with. Any ideas what to add? I was thinking of a magic banner or something, not sure which to go with.

Plenty of views, but no one able to give pointers or just say how terrible it is?

Don't the lord and paldin have to go in the second rank seeing as you have fc in each unit?
But with lance formation they can go on the outside and still fight yes?

Maybe beef up the men at arms unit a bit more.

Characters, save a damsel/prophetess, must go in the first rank displacing the command. The reason there are so many characters in one unit is to force attacks onto characters so the unit can't be targeted, and the characters can cut through many infantry to try and cut through steadfast.

I could add another rank of 5 to the MaA squad with the remaining points - thats a good option.

Ok my friend keeps putting his characters in the second rank saying the comand goes out front and ooh that's good more attacks against characters isn't bad ( I play warriors so either way it really dosnt bother me).

Just a thought tho wouldn't you unit become almost completely useless if they get tied up for a turn since knights really are not that super amazing.

The idea is to try and break any unit. The unit has 6 points before the combat starts (3 ranks, standard, battle standard, virtue of duty), with 3 characters (+1 support attack from the bsb in the mid of 2nd rank), a unit champion, and 8 other knights getting their attacks in. You're looking at 19 lance attacks (+1 or 2 from virtue of knightly temper) and 11 horse attacks.

Most units will get 8 models attacking back, or less if I get my challenge accepted. The idea is to break units down to 5 ranks or under which the big KotR unit can match to get rid of steadfast. I think most units will be broken by the lance charge, and it can be supported by the other smaller units as well.

The MaA is mainly to block the flank of the big lance unit and the small knight units are to try and flank/help break units.

Ok I see now makes sense so you are hoping for over kill and then your ranks too and that makes sense haha I get but dont the knights only have ws 3 meaning if they fight more elite units they wont hit as often? still str 5 or 6 (6 with the banner of something right?) will be minus 2 or 3 to armor that makes a dent in most things.

The knights are WS4.

only Kight Errants are WS3

I'd take life as opposed to beasts, keeps your guys alive for longer. Here's a 2k list that I often run that's quite effective against skaven and WoC.

Prohpetess - Level 4, Heavens - 240
Lord - Grail vow, Tress of Isolde, Sword of the Lady's Champion, Virtue of the Ideal, Barded Warhorse - 254
Paladin BSB - Grail Vow, Barded Warhorse, Virtue of Duty, Banner of the Lady - 225
Paladin - Grail Vow, Barded Warhorse, Virtue of Confidence, Ogre Blade - 160
Damsel - Level 2, Warhorse - 115
11 KotR - Command, Banner of Swiftness - 303
11 KotR - Command, Conqueror's Tapestry - 313
8 Grail Knights - Command, Wailing Banner - 384
Total: 1994

Put the Lord and the Damsel in with the Grail Knights, the BSB in with the unit with the Conqueror's Tapestry and the other Pally in with the other unit and ride them straight at a unit without a character in (or with one if you're feeling brave). Leave the Prophetess out of a unit so as to keep line of sight but keep her out of sight of missile units. You will get at least one of Uranon's Thunder Bolt, Comet of Cassandora and Chain Lightning, the last two are exceptionally powerful and if you get the comet try to cast it on the first turn as it'll likely be the only spell in range at that point (depending on board size), either at their warmachines or about 6" in front of their prize unit. I've yet to play a game in 8th where I've not had one, if not both, of the top two.

going back to the first list. At 2K points...you can only have two rare units. You'd need to have 3K to have 3 rare choices...

I have this problem in choosing whether two trebs or a unit of grail knights are better. Usually the trebs win out, and I just pour points into questing knights - which work well against larger units. KE and KoR are best against smaller more elite units.

Eagleeye- Not true. You can only have two duplicate rares, you can have as many rares as you want as long as they fit under the 25% limit and you don't take more than 2. So now you can take two trebs and grail knights. I do!

Characters can't displace command models, and if there's (somehow) no room in the front rank without doing so, they go in rank 2

EverAndADAy- It's a Bretonnia special rule that characters displace the command in a lance formation because the frontage is onlyl three. Damsels however go along with the other rules and are placed in the second rank, but they can still cast spells as if they had LOS from the front rank.

Bleedge - In the Bret Army Book it states that to collect Brets you can only have 0-2 Rares at 2K-3K points. I know what the 8th ed book says...

Is there somewhere changes to brets are located for 8th ed?

Yes, he FAQ for brets removes the army book restrictions.

where can I find it?

On the GW website