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Hi everybody

I recently stumbled across AT-43... free Rules and all minitures on sale because of rackham going out of business.
After a long serch I managed to find an onlinestore in europe that has a sufficient but thinned out supply of minitures.

I want to get three 2000 points armies out of the stuff I can get at the shop. My questions are the following armies worth the effort (some conversions and hence repainting) and money (about 200 euros)? Are the at least a bit playable and balanced? Because mostely these three armies will face each other when I get some friends over to play.

UNA (MIND list)

3 Firetoads Sgt
1 Cobra M8 Sgt
9 Steeltroopers with trilens, mgs, medics and a colonel (machine gunners are from the Startrooper unit boxes listed later)
9 Steeltroopers with Missle Launcher, medics and Sgt
3 Shock Tacarms, Sgt

Therians (H/Babel List)

3 Baal Goliaths relay
3 Baal Goliaths relay
9 Storm golems with omega
1 Wraith golgoth alpha
1 Wraith golgoth alpha

Red Block (GenCol list)

6 Druganov kommando 1 sniper, medics and Cpt (have to be converted from Startooper Unit box)
6 Druganov kommando bunker 3 sniper medicas Msgt (have to be converted from Startooper Unit box)
3 Dragomirov kollossus + 1 Dragomira (have to be converted from RPG kollossus)
3 Dragomirov kollossus + 1 Dragomira (have to be converted from RPG kollossus)
1 Kossak Sgt

All armies are legit according to the rules I have and 2000pts each.
Miniaturewise the models listed are allmost the only ones left in the store. Some interesting leftovers that are also buyable are:
Baal/Nina Zero
Succubus Golgoth
Baal Golgoth
StarTrooper Atachments
Fire Crawler
Dotch Yaga

Would be nice if you could help me out here.

Best wishes and thanks in advance Konf

Is it worth it? Depends, do you intend to play on your own or with other gamers? If on your own, well, I guess it's maybe worth it.....if you're intending to play against others.....maybe not so much.

Edit# Just to be clear, I don't think there is a great player base for this, as essentially it's a dead game, unsupported (currently) and it's founding company disbanded.....I think you'll be lucky to find other players.

If want to buy it as a game to play purely using your own figures, then that's probably the best way to it.

It is definitely a dead game, so you won't find many other people with armies, or willing to buy armies, for it.

I would get a few more units beyond the 2000 points though, just to allow you to change your lists a bit if you want to.

Thanks for the comments

I'm still not sure if I should buy it :(
Player-wise I was thinking about some friends using the armies I listed... in other words me paying for their fun That would be the only chane to play it as I don't know anybody who owns at-43 armies.
Modelwise I like the miniatures a lot... especially the walkers are great... but the problem is I don't see them as proxies in other games. Their style is to unique in my opinion and the soldiers are to big for 40k.
Maybe I start by grabbing a Damocles starter box... 25euros is dirt cheap and even if I don't use the minis for playing they could make a nice display (after repainting^^)... and there is even some terrain inside to use for other games.

But I'm still open for comments and suggestions

Personally, I wouldn't bother with it.

Speaking from experience here, our club got into it before it was shut down. The moment rumours of the shutdown came around, everyone stopped purchasing the game. As soon as it happened, it was never played again. Trying to keep an essentially dead game alive can be extremely disheartening.

However, the UNA figures seem to be quite comparable to the new DUST game (currently a board game, but apparently rules for tabletop wargaming are coming), and if repainting could fit in with a US force.

If the figures are really cheap and you like them, it could be worthwhile.

Get enough figures to play with the AT43 rules or other SF skirmish games.

You may find people selling off their collections cheap through eBay, because of people giving up.

The thing to take note of is that the scale of the models is more like 33-35mm than 28mm so they are noticeably larger than most SF figures and GW.

Someone asked the same questions here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/363406.page

The above thread is on this page. A little search can save yourself some time on the slower moving pages.

Based on the advice above I have visited Ludik Bazar and cleaned them out of COGS.

Whilst the Therians are very nice too, I had better stop buying wargame stuff for the month.

Kilkrazy wrote:

The thing to take note of is that the scale of the models is more like 33-35mm than 28mm so they are noticeably larger than most SF figures and GW.

Ill have to disagree there. The Red Blok troops I have are the same height as the IG troops and slimmer in build. Its fairly commonly accepted that AT-43 is 28mm true scale where as 40k is herioc scale 28mm, making the minis beefier in build.

This picture here from my gallery shows an AT-43 Red Blok trooper standing directly between a IG trooper and a Space Marine.

Erm, I would love to point out that the Red Blok model chosen is a child and almost a full head shorter than regular AT-43 troops.

I've got a massive Cog army for sale in the swap shop thread.

Roughly 10,000 points worth, if anyone's interested.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/385873.page

BrookM wrote:Erm, I would love to point out that the Red Blok model chosen is a child and almost a full head shorter than regular AT-43 troops.

Ah, I see. Well that and the other one that came with the walker are the only foot troops I have. I bought a bunch of battle suits & walkers for really cheap just because, dont really know the fluff behind them.

Psychic incest jail bait is what they are.

Here's a proper size comparison, courtesy of Agis Neugebauer:



It should be pointed out that the UNA model has a custom base done.

Yes, having got a few UNA troops of AT43 I must stand corrected, they are a very comparable size to 40K though less "heroic".

Konf, if you DO decide to play, good luck getting Fire Toads.

They're heavily desired because of distribution and production shortages regarding them and Steel Trooper Attachments.

I have quite a lot of Cogs and Therians now, probably too many Cogs in truth. I’m impressed with the stuff. The quality is playable straight out of the box. The rules seem pretty good and the background is interesting.

Obviously the models are awesome value at the current fire sale prices, whereas they were a lot more expensive at normal price. What made the game collapse? Was it too expensive, or was it a combination of factors?

1. Too expensive.
2. People didn’t like pre-paint or found the assembly quality too low.
3. Rules were no good.
4. Warhammer 40K too popular already.
5. Rackham killed themselves by business mistakes and AT-43 was a piece of collateral damage.

I'm going to pick up a few more UNA as general near modern/SF troops.

Konf, if you DO decide to play, good luck getting Fire Toads.

you can get cheep firetoads from the damocles box... they sell for 25euros and got lots of units in it.

@kilkrazy: did you buy any karmans too? i just saw that ludikbazar sells them in 5 for the price of 3 groups... and you can get everything except the trikes... i'm considering getting a bunch of those furry things
also, do you plan on repainting or converting your stuff

i for myself trashed the idea of building up at-43 armies (couldn't convince my friends to playing) but i still consider certain units and especially vehicles to convert for friendly 40K games. karmans, cogs infantry and golgoth would maked nice tau auxiliaries. and some of the figs would make nice additions for =I=munda or inq28 games

I am thinking of getting the Karmans. I've just spent a lot of money on the Cogs and Therians so it probably isn't wise right now. If they are still there in a month's time I might get them.

The Karmans were kind of a touchstone for me regarding AT-43. When I first saw them on the site, I decided the game wasn't really for me. Looking at them now, I kind of like them and considered picking up some in the remainder sales as discussed ITT. Still, I've had Damocles for years on end now (buffed up with a few box purchases of Therians and UNA) and have never bothered pestering someone into playing it. I guess in the zero-sum game I play with my hobby budget, I still love GW too much to pick up the endangered space gorillas. Count me in the long line of general well-wishers who hope the franchise gets picked up by some more enterprising company.

The Karmans are kind of stupid, but so is a lot of 40K. At least they have charisma.

The retro look is fun, too. They all seem to be dressed in or riding Westinghouse products from the late 40s/early 50s.

Kilkrazy wrote:The Karmans are kind of stupid, but so is a lot of 40K. At least they have charisma.

The retro look is fun, too. They all seem to be dressed in or riding Westinghouse products from the late 40s/early 50s.

Love me some Karmans. They're a lot like a Terminator army, just squishier. Plenty of fire power in a small squad. They have problems against Type 3 Infantry based builds, as the main weapons in most units are too low strength to hurt them.

They're also pretty short ranged, but get re-rolls to balance that.

konf wrote:

Konf, if you DO decide to play, good luck getting Fire Toads.

you can get cheep firetoads from the damocles box... they sell for 25euros and got lots of units in it.

Sure, if ALL you want is Firetoads and you don't mind every single one saying "01" on it. Only the actual Fire Toad box comes with the weapon options for the other styles.

Personally, I have enough Fire Toads, I need the variants, but not worth paying the prices people want for them.

It's a shame try went out of business . It was a real cool game .

Someone must own the moulds and IP. It should be worth something.

Right after the end, there were talks of someone buying the rights and molds, but so far it hasn't amounted to anything.

I'd say the primary factors were a combination of production costs being too high and Fantasy Flight dropping/being dropped as a distributor.

It was actually a very cost effective game for the models you got, much under GW. The figures were prepainted and well prepainted, much better then 90% of the hobbyist painted armies from other games I've seen. They had very characterful armies with interesting fluff and abilities. They fit well with their fluff as well. Most players and for a while there were as many as 40k where I was playing had large diverse armies.

However I think they overextended themselves production wise and bankrupted themselves bringing out models and armies too fast. Like a shooting star they burned bright for a short time.

Also when fantasy flight stopped distributing them, they sold the models for less than stores could buy them. Basically overnight stores had to stop carrying the game. Why pay a store when you could get the models for 30-50 cents on the dollar.

I would say, don't bother getting AT-43 stuff, unless you have a group of friends with which to play.

Its a shame, as I found AT-43 to be a superior game to 40k. Quicker, more streamlined, and with more tactics.

Some of the Dust models would work for AT43.

Kilkrazy wrote:Some of the Dust models would work for AT43.

It's almost like some were made FOR AT-43:



Whaddayamean ONI Korps were never released?!

Woha hold on guys...
please tell me this ISNT the free rules that i downloaded spent 3 years trying to figure out then got rid of.
AT-43 that i got was for large scale engagements with humans versus aliens called "Kafer".
these rules that had 6 different orders to give your troops and specific rules governing what orders you could give them depending on what orders you gave them last turn and big complicated combat rules that made no sense to the reader.
These rules?
because if so then can someone please explain them to me?