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HQ: Grey Knight Grand Master (220 pts)

Blind Grenades
Psychotroke Grenades
Rad Grenades
MC Incinerator

HQ: Inquisitor Coteaz (100 pts)

Troops

2x Grey Knight Strike Squad (341 pts)

Psybolt Ammo

Justicar w/Daemonhammer
Grey Knights w/ Halberd x7
Grey Knights w/ Psycannon x2
Rhino w/ Psybolt Ammo, Searchlight, Extra Storm Bolter

2x Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband (125 pts)

7 Psykers
Inquisitorial Chimera, Heavy Flamer x2

Elite

2x Purifier Squad (355 pts)

Psybolt Ammo

Knight of the Flame, w/ Daemonhammer
Purifiers w/ Halberd x7
Purifiers w/ Psycannon x2
Rhino w/ Psybolt Ammo, Searchlight, Extra Storm Bolter

Vindicare Assassin (145 pts)

Heavy Support

3x Dreadnought (131 pts)

Psybolt Ammunition, Searchlight, Twin-Linked Autocannons




When making this list I was doing my best to create an all-comers scenario with a slight focus on dealing with other MEQs. My foresight paid off somewhat, due to the fact out of 20 entries at our store, 17 were Marines of one flavor or another. Lastly, please keep in mind I may have forgot some details or got things out of order. If you were an opponent, feel free to correct me.



1st Round Opponent – Imperial Guard

-His List –

If I knew anything about guard I’d be able to be more definite, but he had a guy with a robot arm, a demolisher, a punisher, and some other tank… a squad of storm troopers, 3 heavy weapons teams, 4 blobs of shooty infantry, and 2 3-man rattling squads, and 2 sentinels.
I gave him a Psyker from one of my henchmen squads and he gave me a guardsman.

Since the first scenario was all about KP’s and the traitor, I gave my purifier squads stealth/outflank with my Grand Strategy. I took my Strike Squads out of their Rhinos and chose to deepstrike them into combat in later rounds. I held everyone in reserves since he deployed most of his force on the board. He didn’t move anything, even though my purifiers were outflanking.

On the top of two, I rolled some miraculous reserve rolls. Everything came in but a single dreadnought. Purifiers charged and wasted his big boom tank and a sentinel on the right side of the board. Dread shooting stunned/shaken all of his tanks. I deepstruck my strike squads near his half of the board and shot up a squad of ratlings with one and ran the other into some terrain to spread them out and get some cover.
His next turn his storm troopers came into play but mishaped into a terrain piece. I placed them near my board edge next to my GKGM, Chimeras, and Coteaz. Infantry killed about 3 GK’s from both squads and a couple of purifiers from another squad.

The next few turns were me mulching infantry and my traitor, after which my Purifiers were eventually focused down. My Strike Squads and Dreads blew up all his vehicles other than his demolisher, and I won the game by about 15 kill points.

I got 22/26 points.

2nd Round Opponent - Blood Angels

His List was all infantry/troops and Dante, making me a little worried about the Objective based scenario. I gave my purifiers and 1 dread scoring for this round with Grand Strategy.

He null deployed, and I kept everyone on the board, moving my GK Strike Squads into the Chimeras w/ Coteaz in one and a Strike Squad with my GKGM in another. I put everything in a semicircle with my Vindicare in the middle. I kept up warp quake to deter him from moving to close. My first movement I held formation but pushed everyone onto the center objective.

As the Blood Angels started arriving, 1 group made the mistake of scattering near enough to Coteaz for me to shoot them with my “I’ve been expecting you.” rule. He fired some melta pistols and wasted a dreadnought, but his Veteran squad failed to come in, so no intervention of heroes.

My turn two was pretty brutal. One Psyker squad failed their Ld check to use their power, but the other was spot on with no scatter and obliterated a whole squad of assault marines. He even went to ground and lost them all but one, who got shot down by a rhino. My Vindicare put two wounds on Dante and I charged Dante’s squad with a dread. I killed about 25 marines this turn with no assaults. Yes, I hid in my metal bawkses.

His turn killed my rhinos and the dread and Dante failed to hurt each other. (He whiffed with his melta and Krak’s failed to glance.)
My next turn I wiped a full squads of angels in close combat with halberds and my opponent gave up by turn 4.

24/24 points.

This round moved me into first place from third. Luckily, there was only a minor victory on the 1st place table (I was tied for 3rd / 4th entering this round), so I was securely in first with 46 points. 2nd place had 37, then 3rd through 5th all had 33-36 points.

3rd Round Opponent – Orks

My last game was against a skilled green-tide player who had done fairly well in his first two rounds. I rolled my Grand Strategy as a 3 again, and decided to give my strike squads and 1 purifier squad counter-attack, expecting a nasty waaugh! at some point in the game.
The terrain was very much in my advantage. Several impassable high cliffs with single entry sloped cut out of them, and some trees/forest terrain on the top ledges. The ravine in the middle had two bridges and a river across the board, so he would be rolling lots of terrain checks.

I deployed defensively, putting a single Psyker squad in a rhino out and keeping everyone else reserved. He put a couple boys out on the table.

He brought on his boys and his 15 lootas, along with Gahzgull and some nobs, a truck, and a looted wagon. He ran a congaline of Gretchen across the river. I barraged him with shooty on my turn. No dice with night fight.

Turn 2, Snikrot failed to appear. No biggie. He shot at me and shook some vehicles. Pretty uneventful. He ran his orks at me. On the bottom of two I turbo-penetrated the truck and wrecked it. 1 Dread took out his truck while the other two started opening up on his nobs. I figured that with Str 8 instant death on his Nobs was a good thing, as I feared them most of all of his units.

Psyker barrages tore up his nearest boy squad, killing 14 of the 20 there.

Note: I had made a conscious decision to ignore his general and his lootas, because they were in cover and 15 strong. I was going to dice on orky shooting in general and make sure that when he called his waaugh, it would be neutered as much as possible.

Snikrot failed to appear on turn 3 as well. His lootas took a chunk out of a chimera, blowing off both flamers. His squad with 6 boys left charged my nearest Chimera which was blocking the path up to my side of the board and wrecked it, depositing some Purifiers and Coteaz (my general) on their rumps.

My shooting killed about 4 more nobs. My Vindicare failed to wound Gahzgull. My GK strike squads had moved to respond to his two units of deffkoptas who had flown up onto my terrain and into my deployment zone. Through shooting and assault, both squads were wiped and my purifiers and Coteaz shot the 6 boys who blew up their ride, killing them all.

On turn 4, Snikrot came in and blew up the rhino of my 1st Psyker squad, killed 4 in the explosion. Boy shooting killed 2 more, leaving 1 left alive. His lootas and Zzap Cannon melted most of my purifiers who were in the open, and Coteaz and 4 purifiers ran off the board like sissy girls.

I removed my last embarked strike squad and obliterated Snikrot and his commandoes. Psyker barrages killed about 5 boyz and 5 gretchen. Dreads put a wound on Gahzgull and killed 3 more nobs. Vindicare whiffed. I pushed the Chimera with my last purifier squad and my GKGM into the middle of his boys and flamed about 10 of them dead. (This was a bad move. See next turn.)

By turn 5, the board was starting to thin out. He had a squad of boys and Gretchen surrounding my forward Chimera, some Burnas hiding in woods on the opposite side of the board, 2 nobs, Gahzgull, and his lootas/big mek. He called his Waaugh and his Gretchen and Boyz surrounded my Chimera and wrecked it, leaving only enough room for 1 model to escape. ( My GKGM). I was furious. I had been tricked by an intelligent opponent and lost another 20% of my army thanks to crafty Gretchen placement. On the bright side, his Wauugh happened with only 20 of his models getting to benefit and assault., which was what I was hoping for in the first place.

His Zzap/shock attack thing took both arms off of one of my rifle dreads, and he shot dead the last model in my wounded Psyker squad.
My turn 5 was equally mean however. The strike squad that killed moved and ran towards his gretchin and his few remaining boys. The Strike Squad that killed his coptas also moved and ran, only towards his few nobs, Gahzgull, and his burnas. Psyker barrages killed about 5 gretchin and 4 boys. Dread shooting killed the rest of his nobs, and the vindicare dropped a burna and pinned the unit in the terrain in front of the strike squad running towards them.

We rolled and turn 6 was a go. He shot at my strike squad near his gretchin and reduced them to half strength. Gahzgull joined the burnas and went on with life, free of nobs. My shooting wiped out the rest of his orks on the left of the board with my MC Incinerator. My GK’s shot his burnas dead, and Gahzzy failed 2 of 4 3+ cover saves after going to ground and was finished off by my rifle dreads.

All said and done, I had around 2000 vp’s to his 1000. I had won with a major victory and won the tournament.

Our standings were..

Grey Knights – 59 points
Marines – 54 points
Marines – 52 points


My Thoughts..

Round 1 went well, but the player was pretty new and had limited models. He was young and inexperienced, but not a bad player. I got a good matchup there.

Round 2 was my most problematic round, but oddly enough, only after the tournament. My opponent was upset about three things.

1 – I was wrong about the fire point on my Chimeras. I’m fairly new to anything not Eldar, so when I had asked prior to the tournament about my fire points, I was told it was the turret. I messed it up and killed a single marine with Coteazs’ special rule. It’s not like that 1 marine made much difference, however.

2 – I was using a non-Vindicare model for my assassin. I’m not even sure it was a GW model. However, I had the GW Vindicare in my bag to use, and told him as much in case he pushed a weird GW models only rule..

3 – My Psyker battle squad was GW models. I was using my old storm troopers in counts as fashion. As far as I understand, you can use counts as if you explain it to your opponent and there are no war gear discrepancies. Psykers have no war gear, so there was nothing extra to have to model.

He didn’t make a big issue about it then, but he talked to me about it the next day. He was also pretty upset with my list and felt like the GK codex was total bs and unfair. He even went as far to say “You didn’t beat me. Your codex beat me.” I took it in stride and made a humble joke about it, but that seemed pretty poor sport to me.

My 3rd round I made an ass of myself. I was upset when Coteaz failed leadership and ran, and I complained pretty heavy about being baited into a forward roll with my chimera before losing my entire 2nd purifier squad. I apologized after the game, but I’m sure it seemed hollow after I had won by such a large margin.

It was a good time and there were some great looking armies. (Not mine, lol.) My BA opponent had a nice looking crew, and the Space Marine player who got second had the best looking Marines I’ve ever seen in person, and arguably even over the internet.

Well, that’s about it from the heartland. Sorry I didn’t have any pictures.

Edit: Will and I (My 3rd round opponent ) saw the FAQ after our judge made the ruling on me having enough room for 1 model to escape my chimera. I should have lost my GKGM. I would have still won, but by a much smaller margin.

Edit #2: Apparently my Purifiers were Fearless. So losing the GKGM wouldnt have mattered nearly as much as me having that squad leave the board by mistake...as they would have charged his gretchin before they could have charged my Chimera.

Whats gaming like in okc and norman normally? I could always bring my army when I visit my mom.

It's pretty competitive actually. We usually travel for tournaments and there's some great players here. (About 3 Ard Boyz Round 3 winners across both systems, and lots of Round 2 winners.)

We dont play all our games as hard as possible though. We do tournaments just about every other sunday. Call the store for a schedule.

At one point you mentioned Purifiers running off the board, which confuses me because Purifiers are fearless and should not ever run off the board.

Other than that, you probably should have used the actual Vindicare model for the tournament. The GW only rules could be used against you in the future, and if your army was not WYSIWYG you could be disqualified. This is a big deal to some players, and while I don't agree with the way your 2nd round opponent handled the situation, nor do I agree that you "codex beat him" (What does that even mean? I've NEVER thought the Grey Knights book was OP, and I don't understand why so many people do), but he is correct that your Vindicare and your Psykers were improperly modeled. GW makes plenty of models that would have been far more appropriate for representing Psykers than Storm Troopers (like Battle Psykers), so you might consider rectifying that for the semi-finals.

I don't bring this up to deminish your win. I bring it up in hopes that you won't be DQ'd in the semi-finals by some guy who wants to call over a TO and complain about your army for an easy win. I think you won fair and square. Model violations are secondary to actually mis-playing the game, and I didn't see anything in your report that looked like an egregious error on your part. Minor mistakes happen, and we all make them, but there are players who will exploit anything, even the fact that your Vindicare isn't a GW model.

Congratz on the win! Hope to see you at the Finals!

Aldarionn wrote:I don't bring this up to deminish your win. I bring it up in hopes that you won't be DQ'd in the semi-finals by some guy who wants to call over a TO and complain about your army for an easy win. I think you won fair and square. Model violations are secondary to actually mis-playing the game, and I didn't see anything in your report that looked like an egregious error on your part. Minor mistakes happen, and we all make them, but there are players who will exploit anything, even the fact that your Vindicare isn't a GW model.

I completely agree with this for two reasons:
One, I don't want to see you DQ'd at semis.
Two, I do not want to play you if you are not WYSIWYG. I will probably call the TO over. Not for an easy win, but because I believe that you should follow the rules of the tournament.

I put a lot of effort into assembling a fully WYSIWYG army, including updating wargear/bitz and repainting them whenever I change a list for an event, so that I am compliant. I would expect that you could do the minimum and at least get the right bit on there or use the correct (or at least an approximation) model.

As a suggestion, the cheapest PBS replacement that I have seen (and personally used) is to get a box of plastic flagellants. Paint them up with wacky colored (blue or pink or green) fire and give them aquilas on the top of their staves. I did this and they look great. Then use some other guard guy as their minder and you are good to go.

Yea, I figured there were some people who would see it that way.

I guess I thought I technically had my bases covered..

1 point being that I'm pretty sure I had the "counts as" rule correctly. Even if there were more "Psyker-ish" models out there, since they dont have wargear any GW model could be used.

The 2nd being that IF my opponent had taken issue during the match, I could have just put the actual GW Vindicare on the board and removed my Sniper w/ Bewbs model.

I forgot that my Purifiers were fearless. I certainly won't forget that next time... And the flagellants are a great idea to avoid future unhappiness...but I really don't need a Keeper for them, as the GK's use unsanctioned Psykers per their fluff and rules.

Thanks for the inputs btw. My store is going to have a very very rough 2nd round. If I advance, I'll be traveling for sure.

Thunderfrog wrote:1 point being that I'm pretty sure I had the "counts as" rule correctly. Even if there were more "Psyker-ish" models out there, since they dont have wargear any GW model could be used.

You didn't.

Storm Troopers have Hotshot Lasguns / shotguns and carapace. Psykers have flak, laspistol. It isn't even close. That's not even trying.

The 2nd being that IF my opponent had taken issue during the match, I could have just put the actual GW Vindicare on the board and removed my Sniper w/ Bewbs model.

The rules of the tournament are... Non-GW models are not allowed. It isn't a matter of your opponent taking issue. It is a matter of you not following the rules of the tournament.

And the flagellants are a great idea to avoid future unhappiness...but I really don't need a Keeper for them, as the GK's use unsanctioned Psykers per their fluff and rules.

Sorry was thinking of Psyker Battle Squad.

I have one exception when it comes to non-GW, and that is when GW doesn't make a model to represent a certain figure. GW does not make Thunderwolves, and if they expect me to use Canis Wolfborn 4 times to make the 4 I run then they can shove it. I'll use their models when they make a reasonable kit for it. My RIDERS are GW, but the wolves themselves come from Masquerade Miniatures.

The same goes for Spore Pods for Tyranids. GW doesn't make one, so I have no problem with someone finding a non-GW solution. The Vindicare Assassin on the other hand has a GW model (two actually, and both are good), and Psykers are very easy to make from GW kits, so there is no excuse there.

Aldarionn wrote:I have one exception when it comes to non-GW, and that is when GW doesn't make a model to represent a certain figure.

I agree with you philosophically, but GW may not. The rules are pretty clear on this. I find it unlikely that they will kick anyone out or DQ anyone, but by going to the event with non-GW models (regardless of availability) you need to accept that possibility. I wouldn't really fault them if they did.

That being said, I made thunderwolves with all GW models. They had the side effect of being cheap and cool.




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Aldarionn wrote:if they expect me to use Canis Wolfborn 4 times to make the 4 I run then they can shove it. I'll use their models when they make a reasonable kit for it.

This gets pretty slippery slope though. GW's miniatures are expensive, no denying that, and Canis is quadruply so. But his existence means that they gave you an alternative. Not to mention Dire wolves, wargs from LOTR, High Elf lions, etc so on.

If we could ignore the WYSIWYG / GW parts rules solely on price of the mini you need to buy, no one would follow them.

Which store did you play at in Oklahoma City? New World or Games HQ?

Zarry

I can still argue that the model is a majority GW parts. The riders are 8-9 parts each, and the wolves are 4-7 parts depending on complexity. By their own rules, the model is based on a GW model (the rider) and consists of a majority GW parts (Head, Torso Front, Torso Rear, Backpack, Left Arm, Right Arm, Left Shoulder Pad, Right Shoulder Pad, Storm Shield). If they want to lawyer me into buying a $45 model for every Thunderwolf I run, I'll use their own tournament rules to justify the route I took. So far I have had no complaint, and if they want to DQ me that's their prerogative.

I make no argument that I should not bring my Scibor Rune Priests to 'Ard Boyz, because there are MULTIPLE GW figures available in their line to represent a Rune Priest. Also, the OP has many options for creating battle psykers with a simple kit bash, and they make a Vindicare model. GW does NOT make Thunderwolf Cavalry. They make a single special character riding a Thunderwolf Mount, but they do not make models for the unit Thunderwolf Cavalry, and as far as I am concerned they don't make a reasonable figure for representation of said unit. Expensive is one thing, but $180 base plus bits to represent 4 cavalry models is absurd even for them, especially when they offer units like Bloodcrushers in plastic kits with different poses for a third the cost. It's not like I didn't put in effort into making the riders WYSIWYG, and I even magnetized them so I could use them in any configuration.

If they don't make the model, or a reasonably priced alternative, they should not penalize players for improvisation.

Congrats on the 1st place finish. Coteaz-GK's is another competitive GK build that I've been meaning to try out. I'm envisioning a Coteaz-paladin build sometime in the future (though probably not for Ard Boyz).

As for proxies, really it mainly depends on your opponent. Last year when I played, my IG opponent forgot all his infantry. I still let him play using marine proxies against me until his girlfriend was able to bring his infantry in about 45min into the tournament. Then he went on to give me my only loss of the tournament. :(

While people are pretty laxed about the preliminaries, you can expect attitudes to change in the Semi's, especially with a free army at stakes. Bring proxies at your own risk.

From the 'Ard Boyz tournament PDF:

"Any conversions must begin as Citadel models and contain a majority of Citadel components."

That is their only requirement in their print rules. Thunderwolves are a piece of wargear, and the rider (whether Thunderwolf Cavalry or Wolf Lord on Thunderwolf) is the primary model. Therefore if I use a Citadel rider, the model "began as a Citadel model". The model consists of a total of 17 parts, 9 of which are the rider's torso/weapons and all Citadel, 1 of which is the legs by Mr. Dandy, and 7 of which are the Thunderwolf he took as Wargear. Therefore a majority (52.9% to be exact) of parts are Citadel. By their print rules, the models are legal. That's actually the lowest percentage of citadel parts, as most of the Wolves are 4 parts (Head, Left Body, Right Body, Tail), so I don't see a problem.

But we will see if GW thinks differently at the tournament.

Honestly, you don't have to convince GW. You only have to persuade the TO. Just like any other tournament, get advanced permission from them whether you can use a certain model/conversion beforehand.

Zarry,

I played at New World. I like the people there and I live around the corner anyways.

You don't have to tell me about the people at New World. That's where I buy my comics/gaming crap. We probably know each other!

Zarry