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Made in us
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Like the subject says, I am a first time painter of 40k. Also, I'm just a first time painter for anything. So, my questions is: do I need to use a foundation on my models or can I go right to painting them? I know this is a very generalized answer, but any information will help greatly. Thanks in advance!
   
Made in nz
Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant





Auckland, New Zealand

Foundations FTW. They make certain colours a lot easier to apply. Red and yellow for example take quite a few coats, often in excess of 3 or 4, but if you use the foundation paints they can be applied in 1 or 2.

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So, if I don't use a foundation I'll end up applying more coats? That's not such a bad thing since I live on an island and there is no hobby shop here. Beats waiting 2-3 weeks for a foundation to come in when I have everything else.
   
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot






Philadelphia

It depends. If you want something with darker color in the recesses (such as orks) then you are going to want to use foundations. But if you want something with the same color throughout (such as marine armor), then you can start with the color. And like others said, any of the hard colors (red, white, yellow), start with foundation. Though make sure you prime your model with some kind of spray paint.

 
   
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant






Gray is a good color to prime. Your scheme will look more like the paint itself. Black or white will darken or brighten the model. It can be a beating painting a light color over a dark prime.
   
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Binghamton, NY

Foundation paints aren't a primer - they're just like regular Citadel Color, but with higher pigment density (for better coverage) - so you'll need a separate product for that (you may already be aware of that, but your phrasing made me wonder). As others have mentioned, they're by no means necessary, but I've found them to be a real time-saver, so I like to keep some around. I undercoat all of my whites with Astronomicon Gray, for example, and it really helps cut down on the coats necessary.

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I'm pretty much brain dead when it comes to anything about painting. So, every little bit helps.
   
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Essex, UK

If your a new painter I would suggest that GWs foundation are a great place to start.

As a new painter i would:

Prime with black - keeps it simple, any missed areas won't show as much in dark colours and it points out whet you've missed on lighter ones, also it keeps the mini nice a grim dark.

Add the areas you want to be metallic.

Use a very limited pallet of foundations to start with - again this keeps things simple, I would suggest a tri colour wheel approach. This does not Inc face tones and metallics.

Face tone - just pick one to start, then use a was to detail.

Once this us all done and dry, use some washes to add detail and depth.

This is a vert easy and quick way to paint, which can have some supprizing results. Just keep the paint thin, dont paint straight from the bottle and remember that to become a better painted all that needed is practice.

Once your happy with this basic painting tecniue youcan go on to more and more complex techniques. But to start with I would suggest you keep it simple to hone your brush skills.

Also, what minis are you paining? This can sometime change the approach you take.

Anyways, I hope this helps. If you need any help feel free to PM me and I'll do my best. Take a look through my gallery and check out some of my minis id your interested. Not saying I'm the best painter about but I'm not too bad.

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Chaumont, France

Ok, I'll try and explain a few things :

- First you need a primer / undercoat. Generally white or black, but some pointed out grey, so it might prove to be good.
Best time-saving & consistency item is with a spraycan. I've only had experiences with GW primer before, so I can tell they're expensive, yet reliable.
The aim is not to drown the details with paint, but to put a very thin coat of paint, on which the other paints will "cling" better.
If you're a beginner, settle with one colour (white/grey/black), and learn to paint over that colour. As others mentioned, you'll end up having brighter models with white undercoat, and darker ones with a black undercoat. When I begun painting, I kept to black for it was more "forgiving" : if you forget to paint a part, in recesses for example, it will just look like a dark place on the model. I then moved to white when I grew more comfortable with my painting.
Again, as other pointed out, grey might be the perfect alternative for beginners, as you should struggle less for bright colours, while being more forgiving for the reasons I mentioned above.

- Once the undercoat is done, first step is to put the first layers of paint on the model : what we call the basecoat. The aim is to give a structure to the model with rough colours. For your first pieces, I'd advise to keep to a few colours, no more than 3-4 : one main colour, that you will apply on the largest parts and will define the model ; one contrasting colour, for the other smaller parts, but that are still important to the model (shields, helms, weapons, etc...); and one or two for the small details (pouches, lenses, cables, ammunition, leather boots, etc...).
This is where you might consider using Foundation paints, for they provide good covering power over the undercoat. But other paints are perfectly eligible too, don't worry.
Important trick : you should never use paints right from the pot. Always thin them down with water so that they're more fluid. Most books I've seen talk about "milk" consistency, I would say not that fluid... But almost. The covering power will be weaker, but the coat will be easier to work with. And to wipe out if you screw something.
Important trick #2 : In that phase, be sure that part of the model has been covered. That may seem obvious, but at first you should not worry if you seem to always forget some small part : it happens !

- Then, you can start work on the "real" colouring of the model. Over the basecoat, you'll apply more paint, usually of a brighter tone than the basecoat, with the basecoat still visible in the recesses. At first it's easier if you stick to available colours (Regal Blue / Enchanted Blue / Ice Blue for instance, for Basecoat / main coat / highlights). But you may use white for brightening the colour, but yellow, bleached bone, or a lighter version of the colours can work too !

- Also of great help are the "washes". Depending on the type of result you want to achieve, you can either try and pool them in the recesses to create shadows on the models, or apply them generously all over the basecoated model : it will pool in the recesses anyway, and can easily give a nice effect on a basecoated model.

You should only need a bright place to work in, a few paint pots, one or two brushes (one for the basecoat & rest, one for the details - also don't use crappy brushes : you can find some great ones for not that expensive a price in arts stores), a glass with water, a towel, and something to use as a palette : some use an old kitchen plate, some use tiles ; I personally use sheets of paper, that's good enough

And remember : thin your paints with water, clean & take care of your brushes, and work in a lighted room. That should do the trick !

[edit : Damn, 'ed by Hits_The_Awesome_Hobbyist]

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you say to "thin my paints with water". how would I go about doing this? Just pour the colors onto my pallet from the pot and then pour some water in it? Also, I painted my first model today and it turned out alright. Any suggestions on how to improve? Ignore the green weapon and eyes... I don't have a blue paint yet. It is still in the mail being shipped at the moment.

Edit: The camera is crappy.. my apologies.
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Philadelphia

Could you get any closer with the camera? From here it looks solid, but up close white can look really splochy and chalky. But from what I can tell it looks good, a very neatly painted first model.

 
   
 
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