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Because he has two power fists, are the strength effects cumulative, or does he just remain at strength 8? It's been bugging me for a while, cheers in advance to anyone who can clear this up for me.

He remains at Strength 8, but gets an extra attack in close combat for 2 CCW.

Dual power fists only provides one extra attack, which I can't recall if it's already in his profile.

A single power fist doubles base strength, you can't double base strength twice, and besides strength can't be above 10 anyway.

^^ What he said.

The only bonus you get from multiple of the same weapon is an additional attack. For example, having two frost blades (SW list) doesn't give you +2 str, just +1 str and +1 attack

The wording on those gauntlest confuses me, by the way. (It throws the word 'pair' in there when it's talking about the bolter, which is why I don't know for sure.) How many shots does Calgar get with his gauntlets?

I believe it's two shots since there's two bolters.

Calgar never gets a bonus attack for two weapons - he carries two different special CCWs as he also has a Power Sword.

He gets as many shots as the profile of the gauntlets say.

Spetulhu wrote:Calgar never gets a bonus attack for two weapons - he carries two different special CCWs as he also has a Power Sword.

He gets as many shots as the profile of the gauntlets say.

He gets a +1 attack when hes using his paired Power Fists

IIRC he has 2 bolters so he gets the shots the profile says x2

VegRAWR wrote:IIRC he has 2 bolters so he gets the shots the profile says x2

No, the profile takes into consideration they are a matched pair. It's basically a Storm Bolter that is AP2.

NOOOOO!!!

Not this fight again!!!


Okay, for the uninitiated, be prepared for 5 pages of arguing about what happens when a model has 3 CCWs. Expect to see repeated bolding of the word "never", and dictionary definitions of the word "wielding".

Also, expect to see this picture multiple times:




Let's all please let this thread get to page 2 before DeathReaper, lindsay40k, kirsanth, Tri, or nos see it.

Spetulhu wrote:Calgar never gets a bonus attack for two weapons - he carries two different special CCWs as he also has a Power Sword.

He gets as many shots as the profile of the gauntlets say.

... this is a subject that comes up a lot ... He has three weapons ether you pick two weapons and then check the list or he can't use any weapons (as there are not rules 3+ weapons).

As for the guns they're fired (together) with its own profile ... (see page 84)

edit ... Ha beaten to it with my own picture ... good job Grakmar!

To the OP - for rules, look at (from memory) age 42, where it states you only ever use A weapon in close combat; your extra CCW does nothing more than, at best, provide another attack

Actually, he only has two close combat weapons. A power sword and the "Gauntlets of ultramar", which just happen to be treated as a pair of power fists. If it were three weapons, I would say no +1 attack, but there's your Space Marine loophole.

Okay... hate to stoke this.. but no one has said, does he get the +1 attack or not?

Feel free to link to previous discussions

EDIT: Never mind, search stupidity corrected... I've found the previous threads, I'll read them... no need to hash it out again here

I might be wrong, but doesn't the codex usually say if you dont get extra attacks due to ccw? I.E. Nids specifically state they don't get bonus attacks. I'm fairly certain he would get +1 attack if he uses 2 powerfists.

No, codexes rarely talk about the 2CCW bonus.

Thanks Grakmar!

Happyjew wrote:I might be wrong, but doesn't the codex usually say if you dont get extra attacks due to ccw? I.E. Nids specifically state they don't get bonus attacks. I'm fairly certain he would get +1 attack if he uses 2 powerfists.

Nids are a special case. Because they are attacking with their own limbs, they don't get a bonus attack for having 2 CCW. However, they gain the benefits of multiple different CCW. So a WEarrioir armed with Bonesword, lashwhip and Rending claws would reduce you to Int 1, ignore armour saves, have the bonesword ID or Ld test, and rending. However, it would always fight with its base attacks, except when they charge and gain +1, or they have some taken off.

nosferatu1001 wrote:To the OP - for rules, look at (from memory) age 42, where it states you only ever use A weapon in close combat; your extra CCW does nothing more than, at best, provide another attack

This +1

and yes Nos it is Page 42 (Not age 42 :-P)

The extra CCW only, at best, provides a bonus attack.

For what it's worth, Army Builder gives Calgar +1A when he's using his PFs.

2 PF=2 of the same CCW. +1A.

There are three reading, one i agree with and one i don't ... but here are both with the reasons why and why not ... Make your own mind up ... or don't but this is what this thread amounts to.

1) If you have 3+ close combat weapons and 2 are different special weapons then as per fighting with two different special weapons you never get the bonus attack.
(why not?) because you are not using all two weapons so how can you read a subsection of a rule that requires two weapons.

2) If you have 3+ close combat weapons you must pick two or you can select no of the options on page 42 (as there are only rules for fighting with 1 or 2 weapons). Pick those weapons you wish to use and look up the effect.
(Why not?) because you are wielding (meaning having) two different special weapons so you can never get the bonus attack for wielding two weapons.

and (not that any one ever bothers with this ... but i do want to cover all the bases)
3) There are no rules for a model with 3+ weapons so such models can never use any of the rules on page 42 and attacks without any bonuses.
(why not?) because no one in there right mind would think that a model with a weapon wouldn't use it just because they had too many.

Whichever way you go know that there are no rule backing you 100% any one saying so is lying. This isn't magic ... we do not have a complete rule set