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Just got this done and I thought I'd show it off

Just out of Intrest how old are you?
The freehand on the banner works well and the fact you've positioned the legs without obscuring detail has been done well.

20, I'm just starting, I'm really not all that artsy. But I think I'm getting better.

Ok, I just wanted to clarify that your not young and having a go would out you off forever.

I'm not complaining about the painting, except for the Orange, I just don't like that for a marine colour. It also lacks Highlights.

But a Dragon? Just go read the Background forums. It may sound harsh but Dragons don't exist as Weapons. Except possibly for sport, Vulcan ans the Firedrakes for example.

What does it matter? He payed for the things, he has all the right in the world to stick a marine on a dragon.

I for one think it's rather cool. He's all: "Yeah I'm on a dragon and no I don't care if canon says I can't. What's canon gonna do about it? Fight me? Well I have a dragon."

lol @ TiB. besides, dragons could very well exist, and a marine would be the right person to tame one lol. i have no idea how you shall find an appropriate unit to count it as though....

counts-as a captain on a bike.

Not too bad, IMO. Painting-wise, I agree about the highlights (or rather lack of) but they'll come with time and practice.

Orange might be a lesser used colour on Astartes, but then with some of the schemes used in the Badab War it really isn't that bad.

Concept : Given that the 40K universe already has huge wolves that could chew up a decent sized SUV, Squiggoths ,the (now extinct) Beasts of Caliban and massive extra-galactic beasties "grown to order", I see no reason why there couldn't be the possibility of a planet with some species of "flying serpent" - in fact I kinda wished I'd thought of it

Nice idea!

If marines can ride around on giant wolves, dragons ought to be OK.
Besides, the Eldar Codex say Exodite colonies make good use of dragons.

Oh, and nice model. Orange marines are great!
Personally I would probably not have used a dark dragon for that orange marine, but if it looks good on the table...

Fayric wrote:If marines can ride around on giant wolves, dragons ought to be OK.
Besides, the Eldar Codex say Exodite colonies make good use of dragons.

Eldar exodites use creatures that they call Dragons. In the codex its said that they only resemble slightly like the mythical beast.

OP
Some of the paintjob looks slobby, but overall i really like the model. Now Im off to make my own . Dragons FTW!!!

The Epic Chaosdude!!! wrote:

Fayric wrote:If marines can ride around on giant wolves, dragons ought to be OK.
Besides, the Eldar Codex say Exodite colonies make good use of dragons.

Eldar exodites use creatures that they call Dragons. In the codex its said that they only resemble slightly like the mythical beast.

Also SW thunderwolfes are said to resemble rhinoceros more than canines... unlike the current model

Ye like the other guys, i dontreally see any problem at all. You paid for it so why not, its supposed to be fun and seems as though your getting a good startingfoundation to build from. I took 15yrs out off painting and gaming and only now at 30 comeback into it. I still havent got the bottle just yet to post any painted mini's up yet. I only wish my painting standard from 10 to 15 yrs ago was as good as what you got so far.....More power to you mate. Keep it up!!!!

Pece, Love and Respect!!!

I like it - you could treat it as a land speeder?!

maybe the marine tamed a daemon

I was planning as playing him as a captain on a bike. I'm still trying to figure out how to work it into the chapters fluff. I leaning towards the dragons being a gift from the salamanders after a campaign they both fought in.

Its hard to find a good "count as" for a dragonrider.
A simple land speeder would probably make most sense, but then you would miss out on all the close combat ability implied by a dragon.
Unless you use some special chapter codex. It would make a decent dreadknight I suppose, with that jump ability it has. In friendly games you might get permission to use it as such.

eviltrout wrote: I leaning towards the dragons being a gift from the salamanders after a campaign they both fought in.

Might I suggest having the Chapter's fortress-monastery in a volcanic mountain range with the dragons being indiginous to the area ? Perhaps have them involved in some kind of "blooding" ritual for senior Captains or First Company Vanguard Sergeants ? ( Similar to the scene in Avatar where Sully bonds with a Wraith )

Just an idea.

dragons are in 40K, kharn used ones teeth for gorchild.

Its ok but the marines pose isnt as dynamic as it could be

You could use the dragon as a Land Speeder w/ two heavy flamers (it's a shame you can't put an inferno cannon on a Land Speeder, but at least you can put two).

You could just make your own unit, and perhaps use it as a dragon in friendly games. If you ever wanted to play in a GW tournament, that wouldn't fly, so you'd have to use the Land Speeder option there.

As for the painting/ideas, the idea is fantastic, and is something I would write my own codex around. The painting could use some work, but then again, so could mine when I was starting out.

Horst wrote:counts-as a captain on a bike.

Yea... except for that whole "its a dragon" thing. Based on my own limited knowledge of fantasy creatures, dragons fly, and bikes dont..

So.. if it IS a bike.. then it is a dragon that doesn't fly.. which is called a very large lizard in most cultures lol. JK

@ OP: IDK about the concept, but for an early model for someone who's just starting.. it's not a bad job. Great potential going on there, keep posting pics as you progress.. nothing crazier than looking at your most recent model and comparing it to your first. Keep it up man!

You could...Play your marines with codex:CSM and count this thing as a Daemon Prince. They wouldn't have to be traitors and you could keep on playing a loyal chapter, just don't use any of the more heretical elements of the book. Practically you'd just be trading the ability to take this Dragon for the ability to take Speeders and Sternguard 'n such.

Fayric wrote:

The Epic Chaosdude!!! wrote:

Fayric wrote:If marines can ride around on giant wolves, dragons ought to be OK.
Besides, the Eldar Codex say Exodite colonies make good use of dragons.

Eldar exodites use creatures that they call Dragons. In the codex its said that they only resemble slightly like the mythical beast.

Also SW thunderwolfes are said to resemble rhinoceros more than canines... unlike the current model

Who said that? They said they get as big as them but dont't look anything like them.


But I like it man. Dragons FTW!!

SwiftLord14 wrote:

Fayric wrote:

The Epic Chaosdude!!! wrote:

Fayric wrote:If marines can ride around on giant wolves, dragons ought to be OK.
Besides, the Eldar Codex say Exodite colonies make good use of dragons.

Eldar exodites use creatures that they call Dragons. In the codex its said that they only resemble slightly like the mythical beast.

Also SW thunderwolfes are said to resemble rhinoceros more than canines... unlike the current model

Who said that? They said they get as big as them but dont't look anything like them.

Just for the record :
Codex: spacewolfs, page 34 "[...] their anatomies having more in common with a Terran rhinoceroid than with normal canine."
Anatomy meaning far more than just their height (as the next sentence aproximate anyway).

I guess Codex: eldar hint that the megadons the exodites call dragons are really some kind of dinosaurian aproximation, but the conclusion that they have nothing to do with mythical dragons lack support in the current codex. But I guess an exodite codex of old might prove me wrong.

I think the rhino bit was meant to describe their overall form and girth, not so much the actual anatomy and classification of the species. If they actually had more resemblance to a pachyderm, I don't think GW would have Space Wolves riding them. Not really goes with the whole theme.

OT: Good start on the idea, but the colors are a bit scattered, the dark blues are kind of juxtaposed with the orange. Maybe if the dragon was a darker brownish and dark orange hue, it may mesh better. Right now they don't seem unified and it looks two separate ideas were slapped together. One thing I always stress to folks is color pallet.

TiB wrote:You could...Play your marines with codex:CSM and count this thing as a Daemon Prince. They wouldn't have to be traitors and you could keep on playing a loyal chapter, just don't use any of the more heretical elements of the book. Practically you'd just be trading the ability to take this Dragon for the ability to take Speeders and Sternguard 'n such.

Like this idea best (better than my land speeder one anyway!) if you gave it a Daemon's profile with Daemonic flight (like a jump pack) and assumed a psychic power of doombolt of bolt of Tzeentch to account for the breathing of fire this could work (you'll get plenty of attacks and wounds too). Assuming your oppo's are OK with it of course.

Dude... a Dragon Riding chapter... IF THE SPACE WOLFS CAN HAVE HUGE WOLFS THEN I WANT MA SELF A DRAGON!!

DUDE you have to write so fluff for these guys... and a codex book I would so try it out... the Blood Dragon Chapter...

Yeah?.....No!

The dragons face is AWESOME! But I'm not a fan of space marines and the orange marine on that colour of dragon looks odd. If the dragon were orange maybe or if the marine were the same colour or similiar colour of the dragon then it would be 10x's cooler. Nonetheless still pretty neat. Like I said dragon looks sick!!!

“Hello, Astartes. Look at your captain, now back to me, now back at your captain, now back to me. Sadly, he isn’t me, but if he stopped riding thunderwolves and start riding melon-fething DRAGONS, he could be as cool as me. Look down, back up, where are you? You’re on a dragon's back with wings leathery wings flapping on your sides. What’s in your hand, back at me. I have it, it’s the skull of the heretic you just burned with dragon's breath. Look again, the skull is now daemon-slaying Relic blade forged in dragon fire! Anything is possible when you ride on winged lizards and not on some giant wolves. I’m on a dragon.”

Concept-wise it's very cool because a) there's a dragon and b) the MARINE IS RIDING THE DRAGON. Painting-wise it is okay, passable for tabletop quality. What I want to critique is the color combination. The color choices just don't go well together: I mean, if you take the marine away the color harmony on the dragon sort of works (hey analogous color harmony!). Not so when you add the orange marine in the mix. There's a reason why you don't see a lot of orange and purple combinations in design, because the two of them alone don't work.

I would suggest reading up on color theory and color harmony. Search for things like complementary colors, analogous colors and color triads. They are by no means rules but they're great guides. Hope that helps!