newtoncain wrote:
Mech Guard LIST 1 IMPERIAL GUARD MECH

HQ-CCS + PG x 2 + LC + Chimera = 155

T1-Vets + PG x 3 + LC + Chimera = 190
T2-Vets + PG x 3 + LC + Chimera = 190
T3-Vets + MG x 3 (shotguns) + Demo + Chimera = 185
T4-Vets + MG x 3 (shotguns) + Demo + Chimera = 185
T5-Vets + MG x 3 (shotguns) + Demo + Chimera = 185

H1-Russ Excut = 190
H2-Hydra x 2 = 150
H3-Manticore = 160

F1-Vendetta =130
F2-Vendetta = 130
F3-Hellhound + Smoke =135

1985pts
15pts for XA or Bodyguard or ????

Mizzouri wrote:

LIST 1 DARK ELDAR

2000 Pts - Dark Eldar Roster

Total Roster Cost: 1999

HQ:
1 Haemonculus, 55 pts (Venom Blade 5)

Elite:
4 Kabalite Trueborn, dark lance x2 (163pts)
1 Venom, 65 pts Splinter Cannon x2

4 Kabalite Trueborn, dark lance x2 (163pts)
1 Venom, 65 pts Splinter Cannon x2

4 Kabalite Trueborn, Shardcarbine x4 (133pts)
1 Venom, 65 pts Splinter Cannon x2

Troops:
5 Kabalite Warriors, Blaster x1 (125pts)
1 Venom, 65 pts Splinter Cannon x 2

5 Kabalite Warriors, Blaster x1 (125pts)
1 Venom, 65 pts Splinter Cannon x 2

5 Kabalite Warriors, Blaster x1 (125pts)
1 Venom, 65 pts Splinter Cannon x 2

5 Kabalite Warriors, Blaster x1 (125pts)
1 Venom, 65 pts Splinter Cannon x 2

Wyches (10#, 218 pts)
8 Wyches, (Haywire Grenades)
1 Hekatrix, (Haywire Grenades 2 + Agoniser 20)
1 Raider, 80 pts + Shock Prow + Enhanced Aethersails + Flickerfield

Wyches (10#, 218 pts)
8 Wyches, (Haywire Grenades)
1 Hekatrix, (Haywire Grenades 2 + Agoniser 20)
1 Raider, 80 pts + Shock Prow + Enhanced Aethersails + Flickerfield

Fast Attack: Beastmasters (74 pts)
3 Beastmasters,
9 Khymerae,
2 Razorwing Flocks,

Heavy Support:

1 Ravager, 125 pts + Night Shields + Flickerfield

1 Ravager, 125 pts + Night Shields + Flickerfield

1 Ravager, 125 pts + Night Shields + Flickerfield


Since I haven't run this list before use your experience with Dark Eldar to tweak to fit your personality. I like this as it brings 15 DL at 36" and another 6 at 18". Knowing the local pool this should be enough to dismount most of us quickly then splinter cannon/rifle them away.

On a side note if you had more scourges and another venom I would drop both Wyche and BM squads (and a couple Trueborn) in favor of 2 more KWs w/Venoms and the rest of the points adding in 3 Scourge squads with your favorite brand of blaster. Also, you'd have enough left over for 2 Raiders to hand to your Trueborn with Shock Prows. I think this would be something to consider as the amount of firepower (29 Lance and 6 Venoms) would waste all but the IG....who don't exist around here.

Akroma06 wrote:

Dark Eldar 2K LIST 2 DARK ELDAR

HQ: Haemonculus w/ Liquifier Gun (joins the Wyches)
HQ: Archon w/ Shadowfield, Agoniser, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, and Combat Drugs (joins the Incubi)

Elite: 4 Trueborn w/ 4 Blasters in a Venom w/ Extra Splinter Cannon
Elite: 4 Trueborn w/ 4 Blasters in a Venom w/ Extra Splinter Cannon
Elite: 5 Incubi in a Venom w/ Extra Splinter Cannon

Troops: 5 Warriors w/ Blaster in a Venom w/ Extra Splinter Cannon
Troops: 5 Warriors w/ Blaster in a Venom w/ Extra Splinter Cannon
Troops: 5 Warriors w/ Blaster in a Venom w/ Extra Splinter Cannon
Troops: 5 Warriors w/ Blaster in a Venom w/ Extra Splinter Cannon
Troops: 5 Warriors w/ Blaster in a Venom w/ Extra Splinter Cannon
Troops: 9 Wyches (8 normal, 1 Hekatrix) squad has haywires, one has a razorflail, and the Hekatrix has an Agoniser

Fast: 3 Reavers w/ a Blaster

HS: Ravager w/ FF
HS: Ravager w/ FF
HS: Ravager w/ FF




Automatically Appended Next Post: LIST 2 IMPERIAL GUARD MECH
Now this is my exact 2K list that I ran pre-leafblower (I hate that title).

HQ: Company Command Squad w/ Astropath, Officer of the Fleet, 2 Bodyguards, 1 Medic, Krak Grenades, 3 Plasma Guns, and Plasma Pistol on the Commander.
Chimera with Hull HF

Troops: Veteran Squad w/ 3 Melta Guns in a Chimera with Hull HF
Troops: Veteran Squad w/ 3 Melta Guns in a Chimera with Hull HF
Troops: Veteran Squad w/ 3 Melta Guns in a Chimera with Hull HF
Troops: Veteran Squad w/ 3 Melta Guns in a Chimera with Hull HF
Troops: Veteran Squad w/ 3 Plasma Guns (Ride in a Vendetta)
Troops: Veteran Squad w/ 3 Plasma Guns (Ride in a Vendetta)

Fast: Vendetta
Fast: Vendetta

HS: Manticore w/ HF
HS: Manticore w/ HF
HS: Leman Russ Executioner w/ Plasma Cannon Sponsons

Tomb King wrote:List sent VIA PM:

2000 Pts - Grey Knights Roster GREY KNIGHT LIST 1

HQ:
1 Grey Knight Grand Master, 280 pts ((C:GK, pg. 22); Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Psyk-out Grenades; Iron Halo; Terminator Armour; Blind Grenades; Digital Weapons; Melta Bombs; Psybolt Ammunition; Psychotroke Grenades; Rad Grenades; Master-craft Nemesis Weapon(s); Master-craft Ranged Weapon; Servo-skulls x2; MC Nemesis Force Sword; MC Storm Bolter; And They Shall Know No Fear; Grand Strategy; Independent Character; Preferred Enemy (Daemons); Psyker (Mastery Level 2); The Aegis; Hammerhand; Psychic Communion)

HQ:
1 Ordo Malleus Inquisitor, 78 pts ((C:GK, pg. 44); Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Psyk-out Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol; Daemonblade x1; Independent Character; Psyker (Mastery 1); Stubborn; Upgrade to Psyker; Hammerhand)

Elite:
1 Venerable Dreadnought, 221 pts ((C:GK, pg. 35); Unit Type: Vehicle (Walker); Smoke Launchers; Searchlight; Truesilver Armour; Twin-Linked Lascannon; Missile Launcher; Preferred Enemy (Daemons); Psychic Pilot; Reinforced Aegis; The Aegis; Venerable; Fortitude)

Elite:
1 Vindicare Assassin, 145 pts ((C:GK, pg. 52); Unit Type: Infantry; Blind Grenades; Frag Grenades; Synskin; Exitus Pistol; Exitus Rifle; Deadshot; Fearless; Fleet; Infiltrate; Lightning Reflexes; Move Through Cover; Stealth)

Troops:
10 Grey Knight Terminator Squad, 525 pts ((C:GK, pg. 27); Unit Type: Infantry; Psybolt Ammunition; And They Shall Know No Fear; Brotherhood of Psykers; Combat Squads; Preferred Enemy (Daemons); The Aegis; Hammerhand)
1 Justicar Anval Thawn ((C:GK, pg. 43); Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Psyk-out Grenades; Terminator Armour; Nemesis Force Halberd; Storm Bolter; Fearless; I Shall Not Yield; Preferred Enemy (Daemons); Psyker (Mastery Level 2); The Aegis; Hammerhand)
1 Terminator (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Psyk-out Grenades; Terminator Armour; Nemesis Force Sword; Storm Bolter)
1 Terminator (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Psyk-out Grenades; Terminator Armour; Incinerator; Nemesis Force Halberd)
1 Terminator (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Psyk-out Grenades; Terminator Armour; Nemesis Force Sword; Incinerator)
1 Terminator (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Psyk-out Grenades; Terminator Armour; Storm Bolter; Nemesis Force Halberd)
1 Terminator (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Psyk-out Grenades; Terminator Armour; Storm Bolter; Nemesis Force Halberd)
1 Terminator (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Psyk-out Grenades; Terminator Armour; Storm Bolter; Nemesis Force Halberd)
1 Terminator (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Psyk-out Grenades; Terminator Armour; Storm Bolter; Nemesis Warding Stave)
1 Terminator (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Psyk-out Grenades; Terminator Armour; Storm Bolter; Nemesis Force Halberd)
1 Terminator (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Psyk-out Grenades; Terminator Armour; Nemesis Force Sword; Storm Bolter)

Troops:
10 Grey Knight Strike Squad, 310 pts ((C:GK, pg. 28); Unit Type: Infantry; Psybolt Ammunition; And They Shall Know No Fear; Brotherhood of Psykers; Combat Squads; Deep Strike; Preferred Enemy (Daemons); The Aegis; Hammerhand; Warp Quake)
1 Justicar (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Psyk-out Grenades; Power Armour; Nemesis Force Sword; Storm Bolter)
1 Grey Knight (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Psyk-out Grenades; Power Armour; Storm Bolter; Nemesis Force Halberd)
1 Grey Knight (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Psyk-out Grenades; Power Armour; Storm Bolter; Nemesis Falchions)
1 Grey Knight (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Psyk-out Grenades; Power Armour; Storm Bolter; Nemesis Falchions)
1 Grey Knight (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Psyk-out Grenades; Power Armour; Psycannon)
1 Grey Knight (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Psyk-out Grenades; Power Armour; Psycannon)
1 Grey Knight (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Psyk-out Grenades; Power Armour; Storm Bolter; Nemesis Warding Stave)
1 Grey Knight (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Psyk-out Grenades; Power Armour; Storm Bolter; Nemesis Daemonhammer)
1 Grey Knight (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Psyk-out Grenades; Power Armour; Storm Bolter; Nemesis Daemonhammer)
1 Grey Knight (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Psyk-out Grenades; Power Armour; Nemesis Force Sword; Storm Bolter)

Heavy Support:
1 Dreadnought, 140 pts ((C:GK, pg. 35); Unit Type: Vehicle (Walker); Smoke Launchers; Psybolt Ammunition; Nemesis Doom Fist with Heavy Flamer; Heavy Flamer; Assault Cannon; Preferred Enemy (Daemons); Psychic Pilot; Reinforced Aegis; The Aegis; Fortitude)

Heavy Support:
1 Dreadnought, 140 pts ((C:GK, pg. 35); Unit Type: Vehicle (Walker); Smoke Launchers; Psybolt Ammunition; Nemesis Doom Fist with Heavy Flamer; Heavy Flamer; Assault Cannon; Preferred Enemy (Daemons); Psychic Pilot; Reinforced Aegis; The Aegis; Fortitude)

Heavy Support:
1 Nemesis Dreadknight, 160 pts ((C:GK, pg. 34); Unit Type: Monstrous Creature; Dreadknight Armour; Nemesis Doomfist; Nemesis Doomfist; Heavy Incinerator; And They Shall Know No Fear; Preferred Enemy (Daemons); Psyker (Mastery Level 1); The Aegis; Dark Excommunication; Hammerhand)


Total Roster Cost: 1999


IG LIST: FOOT IMPERIAL GUARD LIST

2000 Pts - Imperial Guard Roster

HQ: Company Command Squad (8#, 415 pts)
3 Company Command Squad, 415 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x3; Lasgun x1; Camo Cloak; Carapace Armour; Medi-pack; Plasma gun x2)
1 Colour Sergeant Kell (Carapace Armour; Frag Grenades; Laspistol; Power Fist; Power Weapon; Regimental Standard; Listen up Maggots!; Sworn Protector)
1 Lord Castellan Creed (Carapace Armour; Frag Grenades; Refractor Field; Hot-shot Laspistols x2; Supreme Commander; Tactical Genius)
1 Astropath (Frag Grenades; Close Combat Weapon; Laspistol; Camo Cloak; Carapace Armour; Telepathic Relay)
1 Master of Ordnance (Frag Grenades; Close Combat Weapon; Laspistol; Camo Cloak; Carapace Armour; Artillery Bombardment)
1 Officer of the Fleet (Frag Grenades; Close Combat Weapon; Laspistol; Camo Cloak; Carapace Armour; Intercept Reserves)

HQ:
1 Commissar Yarrick, 185 pts

Elite:
5 Storm Trooper Squad, 105 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Carapace Armour; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x4; Hot-shot Lasgun x2; Hot-shot Laspistol x4; Meltagun x2; Special Operations; SGT)

Elite:
5 Storm Trooper Squad, 105 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Carapace Armour; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x4; Hot-shot Lasgun x2; Hot-shot Laspistol x4; Meltagun x2; Special Operations; SGT)


Elite: Guardsman Marbo (1#, 65 pts)

Troops: Infantry Platoon (26#, 225 pts)
4 Platoon Command Squad (Unit Type: Infantry; Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x4; Sniper Rifle x4)
1 Platoon Commander (Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Laspistol; Close Combat Weapon; Junior Officer)

7 Infantry Squad (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x7; Flak Armour; Lasgun x6; Grenade Launcher x1; Combined Squad)
1 Heavy Weapons Team (Autocannon; Frag Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x1; Flak Armour; Lasgun x1)
1 Commissar (Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Bolt Pistol; Power Weapon; Summary Execution; Stubborn)
1 Sergeant (Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Laspistol; Close Combat Weapon)

7 Infantry Squad (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x7; Flak Armour; Lasgun x6; Grenade Launcher x1; Combined Squad)
1 Heavy Weapons Team (Autocannon; Frag Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x1; Flak Armour; Lasgun x1)
1 Sergeant (Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Laspistol; Close Combat Weapon)


Troops: Infantry Platoon (26#, 295 pts)
2 Platoon Command Squad (Unit Type: Infantry; Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x2; Plasma gun x2)
1 Heavy Weapons Team (Autocannon; Frag Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x1; Flak Armour; Lasgun x1)
1 Platoon Commander (Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Laspistol; Close Combat Weapon; Junior Officer)

7 Infantry Squad (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x7; Flak Armour; Lasgun x6; Grenade Launcher x1; Combined Squad)
1 Heavy Weapons Team (Lascannon; Frag Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x1; Flak Armour; Lasgun x1)
1 Sergeant (Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Laspistol; Close Combat Weapon)

7 Infantry Squad (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x7; Flak Armour; Lasgun x6; Grenade Launcher x1; Combined Squad)
1 Heavy Weapons Team (Lascannon; Frag Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x1; Flak Armour; Lasgun x1)
1 Sergeant (Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Laspistol; Close Combat Weapon)

6 Special Weapons Squad (Close Combat Weapon x6; Flak Armour; Lasgun x6; Demolition Charge x1; Meltagun x2)


Troops: Infantry Platoon (26#, 315pts)
2 Platoon Command Squad (Unit Type: Infantry; Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x2; Meltagun x2)
1 Heavy Weapons Team (Missile Launcher; Frag Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x1; Flak Armour; Lasgun x1)
1 Platoon Commander (Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Laspistol; Close Combat Weapon; Junior Officer)

7 Infantry Squad (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x7; Flak Armour; Lasgun x6; Grenade Launcher x1; Combined Squad)
1 Heavy Weapons Team (Autocannon; Frag Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x1; Flak Armour; Lasgun x1)
1 Commissar (Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Close Combat Weapon; Power Weapon; Summary Execution; Stubborn)
1 Sergeant (Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Laspistol; Close Combat Weapon)

7 Infantry Squad (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x7; Flak Armour; Lasgun x6; Grenade Launcher x1; Combined Squad)
1 Heavy Weapons Team (Autocannon; Frag Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x1; Flak Armour; Lasgun x1)
1 Sergeant (Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Laspistol; Close Combat Weapon)

6 Special Weapons Squad (Close Combat Weapon x6; Flak Armour; Lasgun x6; Demolition Charge x1; Meltagun x2)


1 Armoured Sentinel Squadron, 75 pts
1 Armoured Sentinel (Unit Type: Vehicle (Walker); Extra Armor; Plasma Cannon)


1 Armoured Sentinel Squadron, 75 pts
1 Armoured Sentinel (Unit Type: Vehicle (Walker); Extra Armor; Plasma Cannon)


1 Hellhound Squadron, 140 pts
1 Hellhound (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank, Fast); Inferno Cannon; Heavy Flamer; Dozer Blade)


Total Roster Cost: 2000

1 more list yet to be submitted GK. poll starts now

mercer wrote:There is no such thing as a WAAC list. There is only such thing as WAAC player. It is a play style and attitude, not a list.

As for your lists, most of them are pretty decent. I would take D.E list 2 or Guard list 2 out of the lost.

Tomb King wrote:
I partially agree but, a waac player is nothing without a waac list.

mercer wrote:Nope, that's wrong. a WAAC player is someone who cheats, bends the rules and generally is a pain in the arse to play with. It doesn't matter what list they have got, that's just how the person is. I play against at least two WAAC players and one of them uses a poor list.

Aldarionn wrote:

Tomb King wrote:
I partially agree but, a waac player is nothing without a waac list.

No, a WAAC player can still be a WAAC player without having a specific list. Players that try to play that style use every tiny rules loophole to their advantage to try and throw their opponent off balance. The point is that playing against a WAAC player is like pulling teeth. It's no fun and the game slows to a crawl as he takes an inordinate amount of time moving units into just the right position in his backfield when they have no bearing on what's actually happening in the game.

A highly tuned and functional list in the hands of a very skilled player is just as devastating as a WAAC player, but the difference is it's FUN to play against. The player knows the rules, knows how to win, and knows how to be a good sportsman and a pleasant opponent. He might completely mop the board with you, but you will enjoy the process.

That said, I think your Imperial Guard lists are likely the superior option. I'm not actually sure which one to vote for though, as both Mech lists are labeled as "List 2 Imperial Guard Mech". To be clear, this is the one I think you should take:

HQ-CCS + PG x 2 + LC + Chimera = 155

T1-Vets + PG x 3 + LC + Chimera = 190
T2-Vets + PG x 3 + LC + Chimera = 190
T3-Vets + MG x 3 (shotguns) + Demo + Chimera = 185
T4-Vets + MG x 3 (shotguns) + Demo + Chimera = 185
T5-Vets + MG x 3 (shotguns) + Demo + Chimera = 185

H1-Russ Excut = 190
H2-Hydra x 2 = 150
H3-Manticore = 160

F1-Vendetta =130
F2-Vendetta = 130
F3-Hellhound + Smoke =135

1985pts

Use the last 15 points for some upgrade somewhere.

Tomb King wrote:

mercer wrote:Nope, that's wrong. a WAAC player is someone who cheats, bends the rules and generally is a pain in the arse to play with. It doesn't matter what list they have got, that's just how the person is. I play against at least two WAAC players and one of them uses a poor list.

Around here a WAAC player doesnt always mean they cheat but, they just always have to win. They would qualify as a waac player by always bringing the hardest net list for every game. For example Paladin/purifier spam with 6 dreads, Leaf Blower IG (the real one), Dual Lash/9 oblit, etc...

Aldarionn wrote:
I partially agree but, a waac player is nothing without a waac list.

No, a WAAC player can still be a WAAC player without having a specific list. Players that try to play that style use every tiny rules loophole to their advantage to try and throw their opponent off balance. The point is that playing against a WAAC player is like pulling teeth. It's no fun and the game slows to a crawl as he takes an inordinate amount of time moving units into just the right position in his backfield when they have no bearing on what's actually happening in the game.

A highly tuned and functional list in the hands of a very skilled player is just as devastating as a WAAC player, but the difference is it's FUN to play against. The player knows the rules, knows how to win, and knows how to be a good sportsman and a pleasant opponent. He might completely mop the board with you, but you will enjoy the process.

mercer wrote:

Tomb King wrote:

mercer wrote:Nope, that's wrong. a WAAC player is someone who cheats, bends the rules and generally is a pain in the arse to play with. It doesn't matter what list they have got, that's just how the person is. I play against at least two WAAC players and one of them uses a poor list.

Around here a WAAC player doesnt always mean they cheat but, they just always have to win. They would qualify as a waac player by always bringing the hardest net list for every game. For example Paladin/purifier spam with 6 dreads, Leaf Blower IG (the real one), Dual Lash/9 oblit, etc...

Aldarionn wrote:
I partially agree but, a waac player is nothing without a waac list.

No, a WAAC player can still be a WAAC player without having a specific list. Players that try to play that style use every tiny rules loophole to their advantage to try and throw their opponent off balance. The point is that playing against a WAAC player is like pulling teeth. It's no fun and the game slows to a crawl as he takes an inordinate amount of time moving units into just the right position in his backfield when they have no bearing on what's actually happening in the game.

A highly tuned and functional list in the hands of a very skilled player is just as devastating as a WAAC player, but the difference is it's FUN to play against. The player knows the rules, knows how to win, and knows how to be a good sportsman and a pleasant opponent. He might completely mop the board with you, but you will enjoy the process.

As he said .

Good luck with your list, which one have you decided on?

Tomb King wrote:

mercer wrote:Nope, that's wrong. a WAAC player is someone who cheats, bends the rules and generally is a pain in the arse to play with. It doesn't matter what list they have got, that's just how the person is. I play against at least two WAAC players and one of them uses a poor list.

Around here a WAAC player doesnt always mean they cheat but, they just always have to win. They would qualify as a waac player by always bringing the hardest net list for every game. For example Paladin/purifier spam with 6 dreads, Leaf Blower IG (the real one), Dual Lash/9 oblit, etc...


Automatically Appended Next Post:

Aldarionn wrote:

Tomb King wrote:
I partially agree but, a waac player is nothing without a waac list.

No, a WAAC player can still be a WAAC player without having a specific list. Players that try to play that style use every tiny rules loophole to their advantage to try and throw their opponent off balance. The point is that playing against a WAAC player is like pulling teeth. It's no fun and the game slows to a crawl as he takes an inordinate amount of time moving units into just the right position in his backfield when they have no bearing on what's actually happening in the game.

A highly tuned and functional list in the hands of a very skilled player is just as devastating as a WAAC player, but the difference is it's FUN to play against. The player knows the rules, knows how to win, and knows how to be a good sportsman and a pleasant opponent. He might completely mop the board with you, but you will enjoy the process.

That said, I think your Imperial Guard lists are likely the superior option. I'm not actually sure which one to vote for though, as both Mech lists are labeled as "List 2 Imperial Guard Mech". To be clear, this is the one I think you should take:

HQ-CCS + PG x 2 + LC + Chimera = 155

T1-Vets + PG x 3 + LC + Chimera = 190
T2-Vets + PG x 3 + LC + Chimera = 190
T3-Vets + MG x 3 (shotguns) + Demo + Chimera = 185
T4-Vets + MG x 3 (shotguns) + Demo + Chimera = 185
T5-Vets + MG x 3 (shotguns) + Demo + Chimera = 185

H1-Russ Excut = 190
H2-Hydra x 2 = 150
H3-Manticore = 160

F1-Vendetta =130
F2-Vendetta = 130
F3-Hellhound + Smoke =135

1985pts

Use the last 15 points for some upgrade somewhere.

Added you list and fixed the mess up thanks! I will split the top two mech builds 4 votes a piece so they are now tied.

Aldarionn wrote:

Tomb King wrote:

mercer wrote:Nope, that's wrong. a WAAC player is someone who cheats, bends the rules and generally is a pain in the arse to play with. It doesn't matter what list they have got, that's just how the person is. I play against at least two WAAC players and one of them uses a poor list.

Around here a WAAC player doesnt always mean they cheat but, they just always have to win. They would qualify as a waac player by always bringing the hardest net list for every game. For example Paladin/purifier spam with 6 dreads, Leaf Blower IG (the real one), Dual Lash/9 oblit, etc...


Automatically Appended Next Post:

Aldarionn wrote:

Tomb King wrote:
I partially agree but, a waac player is nothing without a waac list.

No, a WAAC player can still be a WAAC player without having a specific list. Players that try to play that style use every tiny rules loophole to their advantage to try and throw their opponent off balance. The point is that playing against a WAAC player is like pulling teeth. It's no fun and the game slows to a crawl as he takes an inordinate amount of time moving units into just the right position in his backfield when they have no bearing on what's actually happening in the game.

A highly tuned and functional list in the hands of a very skilled player is just as devastating as a WAAC player, but the difference is it's FUN to play against. The player knows the rules, knows how to win, and knows how to be a good sportsman and a pleasant opponent. He might completely mop the board with you, but you will enjoy the process.

That said, I think your Imperial Guard lists are likely the superior option. I'm not actually sure which one to vote for though, as both Mech lists are labeled as "List 2 Imperial Guard Mech". To be clear, this is the one I think you should take:

HQ-CCS + PG x 2 + LC + Chimera = 155

T1-Vets + PG x 3 + LC + Chimera = 190
T2-Vets + PG x 3 + LC + Chimera = 190
T3-Vets + MG x 3 (shotguns) + Demo + Chimera = 185
T4-Vets + MG x 3 (shotguns) + Demo + Chimera = 185
T5-Vets + MG x 3 (shotguns) + Demo + Chimera = 185

H1-Russ Excut = 190
H2-Hydra x 2 = 150
H3-Manticore = 160

F1-Vendetta =130
F2-Vendetta = 130
F3-Hellhound + Smoke =135

1985pts

Use the last 15 points for some upgrade somewhere.

Added you list and fixed the mess up thanks! I will split the top two mech builds 4 votes a piece so they are now tied.

Actually the list I posted was a direct copy paste from your original post. It's identical to what is now labeled as "Mech Guard LIST 1 IMPERIAL GUARD MECH". It should not have its own poll choice.

mercer wrote:Plasma squads in vendettas are fail. it means the plasma unit has to get out and shoot and the dettas will spend time moving forward to get the plasmas in range. this will put the vendettas in melt range, when they should be hanging at the back of the board. you need another chimera for the other plasma unit.

mercer wrote:Plasma squads in vendettas are fail. it means the plasma unit has to get out and shoot and the dettas will spend time moving forward to get the plasmas in range. this will put the vendettas in melt range, when they should be hanging at the back of the board. you need another chimera for the other plasma unit.

mercer wrote:Well done.