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So I was thinking of writing a Warriors list but I wanted it to be Tzeentch only. Is this going to be a viable list and if so what are some unit builds that I should be taking?

A pure Tzeentch list would totally work, imo. You would definitely be more in the style of a war of attrition without the Khorne shock troops, but with a 3+ armor and 5+ parry from your basic warriors, you are going to be able to take a lot of damage.

As far as units, you're gonna definetely want blocks of Warriors with HW/S, for the aforementioned 3+ 5++ saves in melee.

Also, you'll want a good couple of Wizards, obviously. If you want to have one on a disc, you can give them the Golden Eye (or is it 3rd Eye? One of those Eyes ;p ) to make him nearly invincible to conventional shooting attacks.

Mono MOT is one of the better monogod lists

That is good to hear. I was figuring 2 casters, a BSB and loads of Hw/S warriors and chosen.

Dont forget the warhsrine!

Tzeentch and Khorne are the viable monothemed lists.


I run a Tzeentch themed army as well.

I usually run a Chaos Lord with MoT, 5+ ward(becomes 4+), Charmed shield, Sword of change, and Bloodcurdling roar. Then I have a sorceror lord with MoT, 4+ ward(becomes 3+) and the puppet.

For my combat blocks I run a couple 24 man blocks of Warriors with Shields and MoT. 3+ armor and a 5+ parry in CC is just nasty.

Then I also have a chosen block kitted out for maximum shenanagins to get the 3+ ward and Stubborn(Wailing Banner, Favor of the Gods, MoT, Halberds, Shields)

Then 2 Warshrines with MoT.


The I add some Tzeentch knights, some back up sorcerers, and warhounds as needed.

Sounds like just the kind of army I'd like to make.

I agree that khorne and tzeentch are the better mono lists

Nurgle gets expensive really fast and slaanesh doesnt add in all that much unless you really want ASF giants (and why would you take giants )

Yes monoestich WoC armies are most definitly worth running. Khorne and Tzeetch beeing the most sucsessful thou, low saves and tons of attacks are something you must choose betwen thou.

Nurgel works also, but can be quite expsensive but non the less a okay army build. Slaanshi is more meh thou, not worth the points unless you like having to work extra hard for that win

I would actually say that Nurgle is the worst mono-god build due to its expense and extremely limited benifit.

At least MoS is real cheap for a very small benifit.



I am hoping that MoN gets changed to +1T in the next army book, I always liked nurgle(and it makes my greenstuff skills seem alright )

Yes that is true but still a option. If you dont mind the odd loss at times. And yes, we want more grandfater Nurgel goodies in the next book alrigth, it would make my skills with GS and paint seem like a masterwork

I understand how a Tz list would work, but how does a khorne army work, expensive units that have to get shot at and absorb magic?

Of course it totally makes sense if they connect with their targets though ^^

Khorne lists basically work by having lots of GW marauder units backed up by some Halberd Chaos Warriors.

The units rush forward and connect with their targets.

Warhounds help prevent the enemy from exploiting your Frenzy.


Frenzy isn't as much of a problem if the BSB and general are nearby, Ld10 with a reroll is nearly impossable to fail.

Slaanesh always gets ignored and down-played, because the bonus is passive. You only notice the tests you fail, so when you don't test, you don't notice.

Khorne is nice; up until you get hosed by that must pursue/overrun.
Tzeench is nice, but fear and panic do come up (8% chance to fail panic with re-roll, 28% chance to fail fear and become WS1).

Given how cheap the Mark of Slaanesh is, it's very viable and well worth the points. Seriously, if it saves you from failing 1 test a game, it pays for all the marks in the army.
Characters on steeds of slaanesh are rad, vanguard forward with fast cav, then jump behind the lines turn 1; just like discs.

Now, to get back on topic:
Everyone is in love with the weapon shield tzeench.
I like the great weapons. 4+/6++ and 18 S6 attacks brutalizes things.
Why hold up an enemy all game long when you can take a few loses and end combat so much faster.


-Matt

Well, my Tzeench Sword-n-board warriors arn't the only things in my army. I also have Halberd -chosen and some chaos knights to do my heavy lifting. Str4 in the amounts that regular warriors toss out is more then sufficient for my Anvils. It kills just about any infantry/monterous infantry unit just fine.

Its true those tz guys really are a tough bunch I have been running a mok hero in there to see what happens but they havent reached combat in either game because the enemies explode :(

I like an all tz army even without the chosen.

Mos really isnt amazing yes less tests. For 20 points more you get an extra attack per guy. So if you get say 6 extra attacks (assume you are set up 6 wide). So for 30 points you got i dont take those ld tests and the amount of attacks as 3 warriors. Now doing the math you have 3 warriors which cost 48 points so that seems like its worth it even if they get flank charged they can still get the effects of frenzy.

I dont like gw for the reasons that hey you are faster than most things and with a halberd you wound most things on a 2+ so why risk loosing some guys before they get to attack.
Halberds are also cheaper so you can protect them better by giving them shields.

I really do LOVE Lore of Slaneesh and MoS in general as I fail ever single panic check all the time.

I just recently saw a chaos list with NO marks and it just felt wrong

Exactly I mean why you no make your guys awesome for a few points.
I mean math hammer says marks are worth it.
And fluff wise it seems cooler to have chaos gods. I mean chaos gods makes for crazy awesomeness.

HawaiiMatt wrote:Slaanesh always gets ignored and down-played, because the bonus is passive. You only notice the tests you fail, so when you don't test, you don't notice.

Imo, it gets down-played because it' far inferior to the other marks, not because the mark itself is bad. Your Warriors need Khorne or Tz, Sorcerers take Tz anyway, Marauders need Khorne...the only actual use for Slaneesh might be Marauder Horsemen.

I actually like shield+halberd warrior blocks with MoN. Expensive, but damn survivable.

Cerebrium wrote:I actually like shield+halberd warrior blocks with MoN. Expensive, but damn survivable.

Not really.

MoN only helps you against WS6 and WS3 enemies, because those are the only WS that will have their rolls effected.

WS4 and 5 will still hit you on 4s. WS7+ will still hit you on 3s. WS2 and 1 will still hit you on 5s.


The BS reduction may help a little, but very little shooting that does significant damage is based on BS or that Chaos Armor wouldn't stop well enough already.

Sadly mon is kind of over priced.

For survive-ability Tz is the winner all the way 3+ armor followed by a 5++ ward in cc is pretty darn survivable.

Mon is way worth it for ws3.

Tz in general helps so even a 6+ ward is awesome.

I must be a a noob, but how do you get a 5+ parry save curran12?
Because a parry save is a type of ward save it cant be combined with other ward saves.
And a wounded model would have to choose to use a parry save or an available ward save.
Am i wrong here i dont really know the chaos army well but i do play against them often

The Mark of Tzeentch gives a +1 bonus to any ward saves a model takes, or in the absence of any Ward saves gives a 6+ ward.

so Tzeentch Warriors with shields will have a 5+ parry and a 6+ in situations where the parry isn't taken.

ahh thanks templar

Actually, WS1 is where MoN really shines. Opponents drops to WS0, and game derails as you try and find out how to attack with WS0 models.

Mark of Khorne rocks, but again, that's theory hammer.
My ogres eat frenzy for breakfast.
Step 1, deploy 8 units of 10 gnoblars (200 pts).
Step 2, laugh as warriors are forced to charge and over-run a 25 point unit, turning their flanks to ogre/maneater/mournfang blocks.
Step 3, profit.

~6 attacks and ItP isn't worth MUST over-run. It's really easy to exploit; especially in an army with nearly zero shooting to clear the bait. It's not like chaos can stand off and get into a gunfight with whatever is blocking the path.

-Matt

Hasnt that been FAQd that it is only to a minimum of Ws1?

As templar said about the ward.

Matt that is great 8 gnoblar units.

It is worth noting that MoN marauders gain a great deal of benefit against WS4/5 models. And a mono nurgle WoC army took best general at Alamo GT this year.

A block of Tzeench halbred warriors with the frenzy banner is nice as well.

I love slaanesh! Fluff and aesthetic aside, what about MSU Marauders with flails? I've got 6 units of 10 which never panic from shooting. Hit the opponent over and over with S5 attacks while your Warriors get into position.

Its not the best mark, not even close, but it has its perks. My only regret is not having beastly spell-casters :(

Well, its ok. It isn't wasted points, but other stuff is more efficient.

At least the MoS is cheap for a kinda meh benifit. Better then Nurgle which is over-costed for an almost useless benifit.