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Wargames Con is back for its 4th year, bigger and better than ever!

We have grown so much that we’re the second largest Wargaming convention behind Adepticon. With that said we have decided to expand and move into a whole new venue with three times the space! This has opened up new opportunities for us and our attendees!

Here is schedule for this year’s Wargames Con 2012

Friday June 22
• Warhammer 40K and Fantasy Pairs Events
• 40K Mirror Match Tournament
• Flames of War 1750pt Early War (1-day)
• Warmachine/Hordes 15pt Blitzmachine tournament / 10 Rounds


Saturday and Sunday June 23-24
• Warhammer 40K 7-game GT
• Warhammer Fantasy 5-game GT
• Flames of War 1750pt Early War Nationals (2-day)
• Warmachine/Hordes 50pt Hardcore tournament / 5 Rounds - Saturday
• Warmachine/Hordes 50pt Steamroller tournament / 5 Rounds –Sunday
• Warhammer 40K Narrative Anti-Tournament

So what’s new?

*15 Extra Minutes for 40K players!
-All the Warhamemr 40000 GT games are now 2:15 rounds.

*Massive Vendor Hall
– 10,000 SQ Feet of vendor Space. That's right, with our new hotel, you can expect to see a full fledged vendor hall jam packed with all your favorite companies, and wargames suppliers.

• Warmachine and Flames of War
- Back in their three day all weekend event tracks. Flames of War will include the Early War Nationals Invitational, while Warmachine now includes after-hours "Up-All-Night" madness for the truly hardcore. So all you fans come on down and
spend the entire weekend with us!

• Our Warhammer Fantasy Grand Tournament returns with 2500 points with 2.5 hour rounds.

• Narrative Games! Bigger and Better!
o We are doing the Eye of Terror using the Forces of Disorder under command of a mighty Chaos Warmaster attempting to smash asunder the Imperium's Cadian Gate.
o Second theme is the Battle of Kallidus, and that means Greenskins everywhere forming a massive Waaagh that threatens to overrun the Space Marine and Imperial Guard defenders.

Its gonna be an Apocalyptic blast - oh and don't forget about all the flyer, superheavy, and Titan goodness!

• The 40K Mirror Match
This concept was so good, it had to return for its second year – if we all played the same list, who would win? This year we’ve created a new Chaos Space Marine list (unveiled soon) that gives players a chance to find out who is the best with it on Friday. Missions
will be very simple, and the winner will be strictly determined by winning games. This event is limited to 32 players, with everyone playing the first 4 games and the finals being for all the marbles.


Head on to the WarGamesCon page, and get registered.


********We are aiming to make the Warhammer 40000 GT the largest single Tournament EVER, so get your tickets fast. *********

The first 300 registrants are guaranteed a collectible badge.
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As a german player I'd like to inquire:
How do these entry fees add up?
60$ sounds like alot.

Over here the biggest tournaments charge 25€ for 2 days

So how come over in the US tournaments cost roughly double?

archont wrote:As a german player I'd like to inquire:
How do these entry fees add up?
60$ sounds like alot.

Over here the biggest tournaments charge 25€ for 2 days

So how come over in the US tournaments cost roughly double?

Archont,
It mainly comes down to cost and the venue you are at. There is also a big difference in a culture gap around Convention/Hotel centers in Europe compared to the US. In Europe most of your hotels don't have a convention center or it’s separated out. Also from my understanding talking to some of the German players when I was in Germany last year your venues are at ad hoc locations that have the space. Such as a Hockey Ring or specific club floor areas which you are able to handle a certain limit. In the U.S. events the size of ours, Adepticon and Nova you can't do that and have to go to dedicated spaces just for the sheer volume of people that going to the event.

That being said we are half of some other events in the U.S. mainly due to how cheap Texas is.

Nick Rose

$60 is cheap for a event in the US.

Hell i can pay $25 to play in local store.

Also remember your money (dollar or Dem) goes a lot further over here.

Any idea when the list for the mirror match will be posted? I need to start constructing mine!

OverwatchCNC wrote:Any idea when the list for the mirror match will be posted? I need to start constructing mine!

I should have it up at the end of the week.

archont wrote:As a german player I'd like to inquire:
How do these entry fees add up?
60$ sounds like alot.

Over here the biggest tournaments charge 25€ for 2 days

So how come over in the US tournaments cost roughly double?

The prices for US events are:
Adepticon is $40+$30.00=$70
Nova Open is $35+$65=$100.00
Bay Area Open is $57

Wargames Con is $20+$60=$80

So Wargames Con is around the same price as the other major tournament in the US .

Darkwynn wrote:

archont wrote:As a german player I'd like to inquire:
How do these entry fees add up?
60$ sounds like alot.

Over here the biggest tournaments charge 25€ for 2 days

So how come over in the US tournaments cost roughly double?

Archont,
It mainly comes down to cost and the venue you are at. There is also a big difference in a culture gap around Convention/Hotel centers in Europe compared to the US. In Europe most of your hotels don't have a convention center or it’s separated out. Also from my understanding talking to some of the German players when I was in Germany last year your venues are at ad hoc locations that have the space. Such as a Hockey Ring or specific club floor areas which you are able to handle a certain limit. In the U.S. events the size of ours, Adepticon and Nova you can't do that and have to go to dedicated spaces just for the sheer volume of people that going to the event.

That being said we are half of some other events in the U.S. mainly due to how cheap Texas is.

Nick Rose

True indeed, or they are quasi free spaces provided by non-profit organisations (Vereine) or by the gouvernment for this exact purpose: So that people have a meetingplace.

Makes sense, though, you're not done with the 60$, right? You also need the entrybadge for 20, so you get up to 80$. Pretty high.

Still, best of luck to you guys

If you will participate in next years ESC I would very much like to challenge you for round 1.

OverwatchCNC wrote:Any idea when the list for the mirror match will be posted? I need to start constructing mine!

Overwatch here is the Chaos mirror match list that will go on the site soon:

Pick one HQ from the list below:

-Kharn
-Daemon Prince, Mark of Slaanesh, Lash of Submission, Wings
-Chaos Lord, Mark of Tzeentch, Daemon Weapon, Wings
-Chaos Lord Mark of Nurgle, Daemon Weapon.


This is your chaos warband:

Plague Marines 7 man squad
7 Plague Marines
Plasma gun x2

-Rhino,

Khorne Berzerkers 8 man squad
7 Khorne Berzerkers,
Skull Champion,

-Rhino with Combi-melta

Black Legion Chaos Space Marines 10 man squad
Chaos Glory
Plasma gun x1
Lascannon
Aspiring Champion with Combi Plasma

Raptors of Slannesh 6 man squad
5 Raptors
Icon of Slaanesh 20
Meltagun x2
Aspiring Champion, with Lightning Claws (pair)

Chosen of Tzeentch - 9 man squad
9-Chosen,
Icon of Tzeentch
Meltagun x3

Summoned Greater Daemon


Predator - Autocannon
Dozer Blade
Extra Armor
Twin-Linked Lascannon Sponsons

I am kind of surprised at the list.

The reason why is even though it is a mirror match I like what JWolf did last year and have lists and options where you could customize it to your own taste. For example a Librarian where you could pick your own powers, and Sicarious (sp) who gave you a USR to a troop unit.

Outside of the HQ choice (and to me it seems like a no-brainer to go with the DP with Lash) I would have expected to see some oblits in there to give each general some options in-game, but I guess in combination with Lash it might be too powerful.

Also it has one style of play which is to get close on your opponent and shoot plasma/melta.

Since all of the ranged firepower is concentrated in the Predator and one Lascannon. It would appear that whom ever goes first is at a huge advantage.

Blackmoor wrote:I am kind of surprised at the list.

The reason why is even though it is a mirror match I like what JWolf did last year and have lists and options where you could customize it to your own taste. For example a Librarian where you could pick your own powers, and Sicarious (sp) who gave you a USR to a troop unit.

Outside of the HQ choice (and to me it seems like a no-brainer to go with the DP with Lash) I would have expected to see some oblits in there to give each general some options in-game, but I guess in combination with Lash it might be too powerful.

Also it has one style of play which is to get close on your opponent and shoot plasma/melta.

Since all of the ranged firepower is concentrated in the Predator and one Lascannon. It would appear that whom ever goes first is at a huge advantage.

Allan I made the last year list also. Still keeping things interesting and having options for people to pick from. Space Marines had that option and we wanted to pick something different then Space Marines. I would think Lash would not be affective in this type of list actually because you don't have plates or items that you need to hit hard.

Darkwynn wrote:
Allan I made the last year list also. Still keeping things interesting and having options for people to pick from. Space Marines had that option and we wanted to pick something different then Space Marines. I would think Lash would not be affective in this type of list actually because you don't have plates or items that you need to hit hard.

The problem with Chaos is that they have no defense against psychic powers, so that means that they will be at the mercy of Lash.

When you have 2 equally matched armies, getting the charge is huge (not only for the +1 attack, but then you have khonre berserkers with furious charge) so you are at an advantage if you can drag a unit closer into assault range while your opponent is still far enough away that you will not get counter charged. Also being able to move units into range or out of cover with your short range shooting and not be in a position to be shot back is nice as well. .

Also being able to lash units away (especially when they have such short ranged weapons) is going to be a giant factor in who wins, as well as the ability to drag units off of objectives.

What Allan said. Other than the other army's HQ and the GD, most of the things in there cannot stand up to a charge from the DP itself, the Greater Daemon, or even just units, and ranged firepower is quite limited in terms of being able to take advantage of the target presented by a non-hide-able DP.

Also, other than the typical chosen outflank / hope they arrive before GD move, it doesn't really have much Chaos flavor ... feels pretty vanilla, but without Allan's mentioned flexibility of actual 'Nilla rines.

That said, I'm a fan of the mirror match format in general, and of using a list other than marines. So good on the process as a whole ... just joining in a little nitpicking.

I agree with Allan about the lash. I think the game will turn into a war of the lashes as players push/pull each other into and out of charge range and off objectives. I don't think that’s necessarily a bad thing because the person that knows how to mitigate lash best will have an advantage (and isn’t that good generalship?). But lash will be pivotal, and anyone not taking the lash prince as their HQ is silly. I really doubt anyone would take any other HQ, especially with so many un-mounted units, lots of targets to move around every turn.


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I vote for throwing spawn in the list. It's the only chance they have to ever see the tabletop :0P

I would like to say that I like the Mirror Match format.

That being said, what made the MM fun is how you could play the same armies, and yet customize it to fit your own play style. Last year (as I said) you could choose your own psychic powers for your librarian, Sicarious could give you a USR, and you also had the option to combat squad.

As a CSM player I was excited when CSM were going to be the MM army. The problem is that the CSM codex is not only older, but the Chaos codex (along with Dark Angels) was released in the period where GW wanted to remove all options. After looking over the codex, It just does not lend itself to the MM format.

It seems like the 5th edition codexs have a bit more customization that would better suit the MM format than the chaos codex IMO.

I agree with the posters who say the list is blah. Lash does appear superior because there is so little ranged shooting to take it out. The DP's will run rampant.

To keep the chaos theme and include Blackmoors customization, why not make 4 cultish lists.



Chaos Lord, daemon weapon, (you choose icon, whatever you choose here must be the only icon you can choose anywhere else)

5 terminators, 2 combo-melta, 2 combo-plasma, heavy flamer, icon your lord took
Dreadnought, 2x CCW, heavy flamer, extra armor

10 marines, lascannon, plasmagun, icon your lord took
9 cult marines of the icon your mark took, rhino, champ, fist or pw+meltabomb, 2 special weapons of your choice
10 marines, 2 special weapons of your choice, pw+mb, rhino, icon your lord took
10 lesser daemons

8 raptors, icon your lord took, 2 special weapons of your choice, champ with lightning claws

Defiler
Predator, side heavy bolters


I have no idea what these points are. Each list will not be the same points, but I think they will be the same power level. Tzeentch doesn't get the special weapons in the cult squad, but they are more expensive anyway and get a sorcerer who can choose a power.

This seems more like chaos to me and has customization.

We went along the path of Sacred numbers and that the Chaos book isn't what it use to be. its suppose to be a Warband army that has come together under one lord.

That being said yes, the Chaos book doesn't have the customization that the latest 5th edition books have. That is why we wanted people to select the Lord or HQ choice that was around the same points. As for people selecting Lash I think its a red herring if you really think about it. the DP can be brought down pretty easy and it will come down to generalship. People will have to block units with Rhinos, leverage cover and engage when needed. The Lord could help with that and no one has psyker Defense but there are still ways to block that power. That is what Mirror match is all about using the tools at your disposal to win.

Personally If I was playing I would go with either Kharn or a Nurgle lord and would never go first in any of the match ups. That is me though

Remember all the boards are going to be the same and I would suggest you play the army out a couple of times and see how it works. There are a lot of counters built into the list that a lot of people won't see till they play it.

Nick, Allan and I are both the types of players who will routinely use every trick in the book when playing, and leverage the most out of our lists. It's not so much a matter of evaluating whether you can tackle certain things with the list, but how and why you'd do it. Frankly, I much prefer an opponent working with very little ranged fire to try and tackle a DP and engaging in all sorts of self-harming move shenanigans to make lash moves illegal or pointless, etc., etc., than have him simply keep in mind a nasty-kinda combat lord I have.

It's 6 and half dozen, but the argument that there's depth and a lot you can do with it is a bit of a pointless one to the commenters; we're fairly familiar with that sort of stuff.

I personally feel fine about the hq choices and the list in general. On the topic of the DPs thoug I would rather the choice be a DP with wings MoT or MoK. You see them fielded less and it gets rid of lash which people seem to be against.

Never mind the lash prince. I don't see why there are any options at all. If I chose a different HQ than my opponent... it isn't a mirror match. It seems that there is still some element of 'who can build the best list' as there are four different lists to choose from when that shouldn't be a factor at all. Why not just set the list in stone (whatever it may be) and call it a day?

I checked out the wargames site trying to get some more info on the WHFB turny, but your first link is broken, and the wargames con site doesn't have any of the details for any of the events.
The Cap Ctiy Carnage site is also expired. Anyone have the current web site for it, or the details for the 40K GT?

cricketofdeth wrote:I checked out the wargames site trying to get some more info on the WHFB turny, but your first link is broken, and the wargames con site doesn't have any of the details for any of the events.
The Cap Ctiy Carnage site is also expired. Anyone have the current web site for it, or the details for the 40K GT?

Cricket,

The information is on the right hand side under downloads section. The 40k Information is posted there for each tournament. The Fantasy information we are still waiting information on the Cap city group and hopefully will have that soon.

Here is the information to the 40k GT
http://www.box.com/s/hczrflj5u7bltxyqcdov

Thanks for the info man, some how I got stuck in the shopping cart type page.

I like the mirror match list.

I am not sure any of the detractors actually competed in the MM tournament last year

The Mirror Match was a blast last year. You had a good pool of people who took the whole thing in the spirit that it was intended. A very high level of sportsmanship was maintained all around.

blood angel wrote:
I am not sure any of the detractors actually competed in the MM tournament last year

I would not say I competed, but I played in it!

Are mission details going to be made public in advance?

I know the packet says that there will be primary and secondary mission objectives, is that all the info we'll be getting?

Knowing deployments/objectives, random/fixed turn lengths, etc. is a big deal for those of us who still have to paint whatever army we decide to bring!

:-D

In the past they have not released the missions prior to the tournament.

Traceoftoxin wrote:Are mission details going to be made public in advance?

I know the packet says that there will be primary and secondary mission objectives, is that all the info we'll be getting?

Knowing deployments/objectives, random/fixed turn lengths, etc. is a big deal for those of us who still have to paint whatever army we decide to bring!

:-D

We will be posting Missions early this year. Hoping to have them up for feedback to everyone on Jan 30th. Our group is meeting the next three weeks to build them out.

We used to not post missions but with a different system and some of the changeswe figured it would be best to be transparent.

Tranparency for the win. I'm thinking I migh be able to make it down for this year. Last year I just missed being able to due to work so hopefully no Tornados hitting large towns this year

Hulksmash wrote:Tranparency for the win. I'm thinking I migh be able to make it down for this year. Last year I just missed being able to due to work so hopefully no Tornados hitting large towns this year

Hulk,

if you come down we will have to get a game in. I heard great things about you from the Dallas Rumble Tournament. Would love to get a good game in.