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Gorechild wrote:
No, not at all. What he means is that GW have said they will never drop (discontinue all the models + rules) an army again, like how, back in the day, they wrote the Squats out of 40k entirely. You will still be required to use the most recent version of your army's rules (unless you pre-arrange a friendly game at home for example).

So basically, GW have said that all the codecies that exist now will continue to get updated/supported with new models and rules for the forseeable future (not necessarily very quickly though ). Unless GW changes their mind again of course.

I could just imagine GW breaking into my house and beating me down for not using current-edition rules in my friendly games of 40k. Trashing the place up, breaking my stuff, assaulting my friends, you know, the stuff I stay away from the stores to avoid

Back OT; I've been lusting after some Cultists for a while. I know a lot of people are against the idea, but Chaos are much more limited in Marines than the Imperium, and I've always felt they should be in smaller squads only buffed up a bit. These are guys who have survived eons in the Warp; use the Cultists for the Anvil, use the limited Marines for the Hammer. (Now, I'm not advocating making them 'Elites' or something crazy like that, but let them live up to their Veteran status!)

LordofRust wrote:
I could just imagine GW breaking into my house and beating me down for not using current-edition rules in my friendly games of 40k. Trashing the place up, breaking my stuff, assaulting my friends, you know, the stuff I stay away from the stores to avoid

That actually happened to me, back in 3rd edition. Let me tell you this: GW got rid of Andy Chambers because he enjoyed the brutality too much, not because of "creative differences". The man still owes me for 3 teeth.

robertsjf wrote:

LordofRust wrote:
I could just imagine GW breaking into my house and beating me down for not using current-edition rules in my friendly games of 40k. Trashing the place up, breaking my stuff, assaulting my friends, you know, the stuff I stay away from the stores to avoid

That actually happened to me, back in 3rd edition. Let me tell you this: GW got rid of Andy Chambers because he enjoyed the brutality too much, not because of "creative differences". The man still owes me for 3 teeth.

Nice! I just got "The Look" at work for laughing for 'no apparent reason while about my soulless corporate tasks' - thanks!

Hopefully the design team have taken the opportunity to finally flesh out the most prominent and prolific enemy the Imperium has - renegade and cult humans!. About time! just don't make them crappy copies of guardsmen.

Just because they are outside of the Imperium doesn't make them spiky/skull lovers; they should think more wildlings/free men.

Chaos doesn't always mean the loss of any semblance of military structure/society, it's just the rejection of the "order" of the machine of the Imperium. I think at times that dark dystopian side of of humanity is forgotten on the Chaos side of things.

If things work out and they get a fully formed idea in the book to allow you to field cult armies, it will to me be the biggest change in the tabletop envisioning of the background for a long time


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LordofRust wrote:

Gorechild wrote:
Back OT; I've been lusting after some Cultists for a while. I know a lot of people are against the idea, but Chaos are much more limited in Marines than the Imperium, and I've always felt they should be in smaller squads only buffed up a bit. These are guys who have survived eons in the Warp; use the Cultists for the Anvil, use the limited Marines for the Hammer. (Now, I'm not advocating making them 'Elites' or something crazy like that, but let them live up to their Veteran status!)

This. I always thought 40K marines are poor echos of the glorious marines of 30K, perhaps chaos marines should be better then imperial marines, but in limited number?

Wardragoon wrote:A Librarian doesnt quite sound feasible IMO, a little complex for people completely new to 40k

Fantasy's Starter Set is quite fine with a wizard, and their stuff is even more complex

kenshin620 wrote:

Wardragoon wrote:A Librarian doesnt quite sound feasible IMO, a little complex for people completely new to 40k

Fantasy's Starter Set is quite fine with a wizard, and their stuff is even more complex

Speaking of the Fantasy starter set, I'm really excited to see how good these figures will look! Each starter set has improved on the last, with Black Reach being a big improvement from Battle for Macragge and Isle of Blood being a step up from AoBR. It's probably too optimistic to expect Marines in another pose from "I love my bolter" but we can only hope things have gotten that much better!

Brother SRM wrote:

kenshin620 wrote:

Wardragoon wrote:A Librarian doesnt quite sound feasible IMO, a little complex for people completely new to 40k

Fantasy's Starter Set is quite fine with a wizard, and their stuff is even more complex

Speaking of the Fantasy starter set, I'm really excited to see how good these figures will look! Each starter set has improved on the last, with Black Reach being a big improvement from Battle for Macragge and Isle of Blood being a step up from AoBR. It's probably too optimistic to expect Marines in another pose from "I love my bolter" but we can only hope things have gotten that much better!

Well, we might get 'I love my bolter and my robes.', you never know...

Palindrome wrote:

kenzosan wrote:I don't know if anyone's said this, but I get the feeling that Cultists are going to be just like the Eldar Guardians, minus weapon platforms. Cheap, 3's for stats.
Maybe chaos will get a Chimera in the new dex.

Cultists have standard IG stats except that they have a 6+ save, supposedly at least. I would imagine that cultists will only get a couple of unit entries in the new chaos dex, possibly little more than a single troop choice.

Given how generic they are (i.e. representing potentially a lot of things), I'd guess either being able to use the squad as a couple things, or rules for upgrades (like IG vets) so a single entry can represent multiple types. Pure speculation, though, other than GW's recent trend towards most plastics getting them a return on investment by being multiple entries (many vehicles, a bunch of the Necron plastics, just about every Grey Knight kit, etc).

Personally I'm hoping for cultists that look exactly like the ones in DoW2 but I might be alone in that.

As long as they're not a throwback to the era of shirtless dudes in skirts wearing 3E WHFB dark elf hats, we should be fine...

Brother SRM wrote:Speaking of the Fantasy starter set, I'm really excited to see how good these figures will look! Each starter set has improved on the last, with Black Reach being a big improvement from Battle for Macragge and Isle of Blood being a step up from AoBR. It's probably too optimistic to expect Marines in another pose from "I love my bolter" but we can only hope things have gotten that much better!

Yeah, the starter sets improve in leaps and bounds and IoB is gorgeous. I suspect we'll still get a heap of marines in the old Epic pose, but at least they'll be super detailed!

A Kvlt Ghost wrote:Personally I'm hoping for cultists that look exactly like the ones in DoW2 but I might be alone in that.

As long as they're not a throwback to the era of shirtless dudes in skirts wearing 3E WHFB dark elf hats, we should be fine...

Im ok with skirts, but the hats and shirtless was indeed kind of craptastic

does anyone have a pic of the DOW2 Chaos Cultists ?

I tired Googling it but evidently my SearchFu is weak.

google images search DOW2 Cultists, first picture. Its actually a link to this very thread.

Dakka dakka is just that popular that we will be very close to the top of the list in any google search in anything relevant.

When I read this site at work a lot of the images are blocked by the work filter. Thanks for the help.

adamsouza wrote:does anyone have a pic of the DOW2 Chaos Cultists ?

I tired Googling it but evidently my SearchFu is weak.

Check page two of this thread...

Brother SRM wrote:
...Speaking of the Fantasy starter set, I'm really excited to see how good these figures will look! Each starter set has improved on the last, with Black Reach being a big improvement from Battle for Macragge and Isle of Blood being a step up from AoBR. It's probably too optimistic to expect Marines in another pose from "I love my bolter" but we can only hope things have gotten that much better!

The 'I love my bolter' marines are already available in the 40k starter paint set. that's why those models have moulded DA insignia.

Bloodwin wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:
...Speaking of the Fantasy starter set, I'm really excited to see how good these figures will look! Each starter set has improved on the last, with Black Reach being a big improvement from Battle for Macragge and Isle of Blood being a step up from AoBR. It's probably too optimistic to expect Marines in another pose from "I love my bolter" but we can only hope things have gotten that much better!

The 'I love my bolter' marines are already available in the 40k starter paint set. that's why those models have moulded DA insignia.

The insignia on those models doesn't necessarily mean it will be present on the ones in the starter set. The old paint set had Ultramarine markings while the models in AoBR did not. The Marines in the paint set are also redecos of the AoBR Marines - the Black Reach iconography (the starburst with a skull) is gone, but the other detailing (helmet types, straps and scopes on bolters, etc) is identical. I'm hoping and assuming the Marines in the new starter will be new sculpts altogether, even if they are still in that pose.

Brother SRM wrote:

Bloodwin wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:
...Speaking of the Fantasy starter set, I'm really excited to see how good these figures will look! Each starter set has improved on the last, with Black Reach being a big improvement from Battle for Macragge and Isle of Blood being a step up from AoBR. It's probably too optimistic to expect Marines in another pose from "I love my bolter" but we can only hope things have gotten that much better!

The 'I love my bolter' marines are already available in the 40k starter paint set. that's why those models have moulded DA insignia.

The insignia on those models doesn't necessarily mean it will be present on the ones in the starter set. The old paint set had Ultramarine markings while the models in AoBR did not. The Marines in the paint set are also redecos of the AoBR Marines - the Black Reach iconography (the starburst with a skull) is gone, but the other detailing (helmet types, straps and scopes on bolters, etc) is identical. I'm hoping and assuming the Marines in the new starter will be new sculpts altogether, even if they are still in that pose.

Well I hope one would at least have a mark IV helmet on

i just got an email from a friend up in one of the GW north american warehouses. he told me the starter box has necrons, not chaos. he emailed me some pics, and a roster list, but im at work and unable to open them. in any case he indicated we would be seeing something along the lines of:

sm character
sm dread
a bunch of marines
termies
aegis line (no gun)
some craters
a necron character
bunch of warriors
a few "bulkier warriors" (immortals?)
aprox 3 tombblades
a bunch of scarabs (he figured at least 10 bases)

plus the standard dice, measureing sticks, templates and small book.

no idea if this is acurate or not, and obvisouly once i get home and ahold of pics ill post em, so take with a large grain of cinnamon (because salt is cliche)

Necrons? Thats...kinda "out there" as of right now

kenshin620 wrote:Necrons? Thats...kinda "out there" as of right now

Well didn't AoBR feature the last army to be given a codex in 4e, if so that would make sense (weren't the Necrons the last army codex in 5e)

Wardragoon wrote:

kenshin620 wrote:Necrons? Thats...kinda "out there" as of right now

Well didn't AoBR feature the last army to be given a codex in 4e, if so that would make sense (weren't the Necrons the last army codex in 5e)

But the last 4th codex was Chaos Daemons (written to the tone of 5th though)

My comment though was just that so far all rumors point to chaos. If it isnt them then thats a whole lot of mislead people (I'm sure we dont want a summer of fliers 2.0!)

kenshin620 wrote:

Wardragoon wrote:

kenshin620 wrote:Necrons? Thats...kinda "out there" as of right now

Well didn't AoBR feature the last army to be given a codex in 4e, if so that would make sense (weren't the Necrons the last army codex in 5e)

But the last 4th codex was Chaos Daemons (written to the tone of 5th though)

My comment though was just that so far all rumors point to chaos. If it isnt them then thats a whole lot of mislead people (I'm sure we dont want a summer of fliers 2.0!)

Oh , I was alwayss told the Orks were the last codex in 4e XD, so I guess nevermind then lol.

It's INCREDIBLY unlikely that it'll be Necrons. I'm interested to see what the pictures he sent are, but every credible rumour source are all saying Dark Angels/Chaos.

DarthSpader wrote:i just got an email from a friend up in one of the GW north american warehouses. he told me the starter box has necrons, not chaos. he emailed me some pics, and a roster list, but im at work and unable to open them.

Yeahhh.... no.

DarthSpader wrote:i just got an email from a friend up in one of the GW north american warehouses.

Does your uncle also work for Nintendo?

DarthSpader wrote:i just got an email from a friend up in one of the GW north american warehouses. he told me the starter box has necrons, not chaos. he emailed me some pics, and a roster list, but im at work and unable to open them.

If you open the pic, be prepared to either have your anti-virus program running or listen to Rick Astley.

If people were snapping pictures in GW warehouses and emailing them around I think we would have a lot more leaks than we do.

DarthSpader wrote:i just got an email from a friend up in one of the GW north american warehouses. he told me the starter box has necrons, not chaos. he emailed me some pics, and a roster list, but im at work and unable to open them. in any case he indicated we would be seeing something along the lines of:

sm character
sm dread
a bunch of marines
termies
aegis line (no gun)
some craters
a necron character
bunch of warriors
a few "bulkier warriors" (immortals?)
aprox 3 tombblades
a bunch of scarabs (he figured at least 10 bases)

plus the standard dice, measureing sticks, templates and small book.

no idea if this is acurate or not, and obvisouly once i get home and ahold of pics ill post em, so take with a large grain of cinnamon (because salt is cliche)

I look foreword to these pics, since this is really out of left field....

Yea the pics failed :( just some shot f the side of a generic pallet. The "roster" was also just a PDF. But probally void have been made by anyone.

However this guy does not even play the game and he's been pretty right on other stuff. (no fliers last year for summer of fliers, the new fliers coming out, and 6th)

So I'm kinda inclined to believe him, but without credible proof I suppose that's a faith thing. Personally I don't think GW would do a double power army starter box, such as chaos, or even crons.... But it would be a good way to sell necrons.

Either way, the grain of cinnamon is still probally the proper thing here.