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5th was a local guy out here Julio, ran a White Scars + Space Marines list Rhino Rush

 Bahkara wrote:
So top 2 are both, technically, undefeated.

Congrats to our local guy, Carlos, for placing 2nd

Congrats to Carlos!

I played against him and he was kicking my a$$ pretty badly. However, I managed to steal a draw from the jaws of defeat against him.

 Red Corsair wrote:

Which is obviously match up related considering his only loss this weekend was against Necrons. He came in 4th BTW.

Yeah, AV13 Necrons is a tough build for his Tau.

He lost to Ben Cromwell, who was actually running Necrons with Tau allies.

 Hulksmash wrote:
So the Tau player brough 15ish Broadsides and 4 Riptides.....haha!!!!! I love it!

No, he brought 2 riptides and the Firebase Cadre for a total of 3 tides and 6 sides.

 punchdub wrote:
Steve's list via Facebook messenger:

Kor'sarro Khan [125]
+ Moondrakkan [25]
= 150
• Command Squad [100]
+ Company Standard [15]
+ 3× storm shield [30]
+ power fist [25]
+ Space Marine bikes [35]
+ Apothecary [15]
= 220
Chapter Master [130]
+ Space Marine bike [20]
+ The Shield Eternal [50]
+ digital weapons [10]
+ artificer armour [20]
+ thunder hammer [30]
= 260

4 Space Marine Bikers [84]
+ 2× grav-gun [30]
+ Biker Sergeant
+ combi-grav [10]
+ melta bombs [5]
+ Attack Bike [45]
+ multi-melta [10]
= 184
4 Space Marine Bikers [84]
+ 2× meltagun [20]
+ Biker Sergeant
+ combi-melta [10]
+ melta bombs [5]
+ Attack Bike [45]
+ multi-melta [10]
= 174
4 Space Marine Bikers [84]
+ 2× meltagun [20]
+ Biker Sergeant
+ combi-melta [10]
+ melta bombs [5]
+ Attack Bike [45]
+ multi-melta [10]
= 174
4 Space Marine Bikers [84]
+ 2× plasma gun [30]
+ Biker Sergeant
+ plasma pistol [15]
+ melta bombs [5]
+ Attack Bike [45]
+ multi-melta [10]
= 189

Stormtalon Gunship [110]
+ Skyhammer missile launcher [15]
= 125

Knight Errant
= 370

1,846 points

Interesting list. No wonder he was able to deal with super heavies, he has a lot more melta than I expected. Thanks for the heads up

 Reecius wrote:

Thanks to everyone that came and had fun!

I had fund despite loosing. It is great seeing friends I dont get to see that often. Seeing great armies and some of the gimmicks people pull(like the three Knight list where the guy had the sheilds to place infront of it.
I wish I could have hung out during the after party and drank. But I was driving home on the freeway by myself at night(lie the third time I ever driven on the freeway. Still had a blast even if I did get solicited by a hooker

Hot Sauce, you got solicited by a hooker? Bonus points right there, buddy!

Glad you had fun dude, and the after party was pretty tame as we were all so worn out. But, you are welcome to join next time, of course.

Yes I did. Right next to the Mexican grill(Great Burritos BTW )
But even if I left by 10, I would be tired driving at night so it was the best. I weighed my options f what is safe

i would have stayed for the party and slept in my car with a hooker!!! dem memories!!

It was my first time at a BAO event or a West Coast event for that matter. I didn't do that great, but I had fun and even bought a gaming mat and some green stuff products!

I look forward to next year. I will try to make the LVO and BAO!

PS though. I came across this today.
I do not know the players involved so I can not vouch for the validity of this article but it is still sad to read.

http://www.thediceabide.com/2014/07/the-bao-and-an-awkward-situation/

Edited: spelling

I do not but I do remember eavesdropping and hearing a complaint like that.

40k-noob wrote:
It was my first time at a BAO event or a West Coast event for that matter. I didn't do that great, but I had fun and even bought a gaming mat and some green stuff products!

I look forward to next year. I will try to make the LVO and BAO!

PS though. I came across this today.
I do not know the players involved so I can not vouch for the validity of this article but it is still sad to read.

http://www.thediceabide.com/2014/07/the-bao-and-an-awkward-situation/

Edited: spelling

I don't want to start a circle jerk or anything, and what's done is done, he definitely played well if he made it to the top table and won, but I'd have to assume that someone who brings an army to a tournament has enough experience to know his main character's WS and invuln save. I mean come on, even people who have only played SM a few times know that an Iron Halo gives a 4+ invuln save. I'd assume someone with enough experience with an army that they bring it to a tournament and make it to the top knows the invuln save of an Iron Halo... so that's kinda shady. Shame. Maybe a slight case of someone who really wanted to win. Then again, it's on his opponent to have checked for himself and know the rules too. And hey, if it's late at night or something, mistakes can be made.

Don't be such a spoilt sport! It just ain't a major tournament without an angry mob or two!

How could a competitive player not know an iron halo is 4++ and Khan's WS ? Kind of hard to believe and sounds like a sore loser to me.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
How could a competitive player not know an iron halo is 4++ and Khan's WS ?

That statement applies to both layers in the game. The owning player *failing* to adhere to his unit's rule is not on the-up-and-up.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
Kind of hard to believe and sounds like a sore loser to me.

Naw, DB, a sore loser is a guy who whines and complains about forgetting to move a unit here, secure an objective there, failed to shoot this or that. Or whining about a Rock-Paper-Scissors match up. No rules broken, just sloppy play. And then the sore loser complains & gripes.

Letting the community know that a player did this in a high stakes setting is a citizen-like responsibility.

In my local meta, pretty much the exact situation (as discussed) happened last year, the shady player was outted, and that guy seems to be on the mend to being better about it.

Not to defend him, but I have used Draigo a whole lot and I could not tell you his WS. (I think it is 7 but it might be 8)

On the positive note, I had a great time.

@ Reece and the FLG crew:
You've hit your stride. Set up, pairing notification, timing, the terrain.

Best pick of venues so far, Reece. I highly recommend it for next year.
Support staff:

Tailor - Thanks for being patient *and* diligent with my Gaming Mat order
Brian - Thanks for enabling!
Keno - Returning a Lost&Found item to my table. As minor as it was (template).
Stephanie - I dunno if you're staff per se, but having you and your massage service available ...
The vendors in the lobby - not pushy. Friendly. Informative.
Un-named staff: I'm sure you worked hard to set up and break down tables and all that.

- - - - - - - - -
Caveat (there's always that one, huh? ) - The venue needed to provide custodial maintenance more frequently, Recycle bin outside and the paper towels in the Men's restroom.

My one regret was not getting a picture of myself and Round 1 opponent, Grant VDB of the ITC crew. For those that know Grant *and* me, it'd be a funny pic. Grant, thanks again for a great Round 1 whoopin' that sent me to the kiddie pool.


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 Blackmoor wrote:
Not to defend him, but I have used Draigo a whole lot and I could not tell you his WS. (I think it is 7 but it might be 8)

Yeah, but you'd look it up and *then* proceed.

 Blackmoor wrote:
Not to defend him, but I have used Draigo a whole lot and I could not tell you his WS. (I think it is 7 but it might be 8)

See but the BIG difference is when You claim your opponent needs 5's to hit. If you don't know you don't claim the higher for your own benefit.

Rolling for games end when the other guy isn't looking and without stating why your rolling is also a tip off.

I am confused about the remark on moving khan under his brass scorpion though, it must have been a hit and run that was also being mistaken.

This happened at tournaments though, I imagine with 100+ players it's impossible to avoid actually.

Author should call a judge next time.

Draigo is the Chuck Norris of the 40k universe so he doesn't have a WS, he actually doesn't even fight. Draigo just mentally projects his awesome towards lessor beings who then burst into flames.

Don't believe me? Read his fluff in the GK codex!

Who doesn't know an iron halo is 4++ ? Seriously. :(

 Dozer Blades wrote:
Who doesn't know an iron halo is 4++ ? Seriously. :(

Which player do you mean?

Because the bike army was actually painted and modeled Ultramarine, which doesn't matter except it is easy for his opponents to forget that bike captain is Khan. Marines can and often do have other invulns. Owning player should be more diligent in cases like these.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
Who doesn't know an iron halo is 4++ ? Seriously. :(

You're honestly saying everyone who plays 40k should know an Iron Halo is a 4+? What if they haven't been playing since 4th edition or they never play Space Marines? I can easily see someone not knowing what an Iron Halo does. Now, the controlling player maybe not, but everyone makes mistakes and has mental lapses. Not to mention we are going off a single source who should have called for a judge or reported the incident rather than airing their dirty laundry all over the net. When we had a problem with a local and it went into full blown idiocy in a Dakka thread I sent a PM directly to a Mod who was online at the time with a link to the thread and an explanation. It got handled and locked, unfortunately this is on a personal blog.

We should all lay off attacking a player just because someone said x, y, or z. Why does this happen after every event? Can't we just accept that people aren't perfect nor will they ever be and move on? Can anyone prove he maliciously misrepresented his army? Not from what I read.

On a different note I am curious what the data is like in regard to average game length. How long the average turn took etc.

 Red Corsair wrote:
On a different note I am curious what the data is like in regard to average game length. How long the average turn took etc.

Torrent of fire can provide that data i think. They might have an average time from the update of the round matchups and result entry of every matchup. Although i don't think it will be automated.

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

 Dozer Blades wrote:
Who doesn't know an iron halo is 4++ ? Seriously. :(

You're honestly saying everyone who plays 40k should know an Iron Halo is a 4+? What if they haven't been playing since 4th edition or they never play Space Marines? I can easily see someone not knowing what an Iron Halo does. Now, the controlling player maybe not, but everyone makes mistakes and has mental lapses. Not to mention we are going off a single source who should have called for a judge or reported the incident rather than airing their dirty laundry all over the net. When we had a problem with a local and it went into full blown idiocy in a Dakka thread I sent a PM directly to a Mod who was online at the time with a link to the thread and an explanation. It got handled and locked, unfortunately this is on a personal blog.

We should all lay off attacking a player just because someone said x, y, or z. Why does this happen after every event? Can't we just accept that people aren't perfect nor will they ever be and move on? Can anyone prove he maliciously misrepresented his army? Not from what I read.

Not sure how BAO handles sportsmanship, but apparently they use thumbs? The Blog author mentioned the possibility of being ejected for this which sounds strange. At any rate, if a player is consistently getting negative feedback then it isn't just the same old from "another tournament."

So we are to accept the accuser's claim as 100 percent exactly what actually happened? And yes anyone playing in a big competitive event should know an iron halo is 4++.

 pizzaguardian wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
On a different note I am curious what the data is like in regard to average game length. How long the average turn took etc.

Torrent of fire can provide that data i think. They might have an average time from the update of the round matchups and result entry of every matchup. Although i don't think it will be automated.

I wasn't under the impression that TOF did this. I actually suggested it to Reece before the BAO and he said they were going to add it to the score card.

Although it would be an awesome feature for TOF to add if it doesn't track this already


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 Dozer Blades wrote:
So we are to accept the accuser's claim as 100 percent exactly what actually happened? And yes anyone playing in a big competitive event should know an iron halo is 4++.

Why would he necessarily know it was an iron halo? I agree both players are responsible but their should be higher expectations from the controlling players. Especially when proxies are involved.

So now he was using proxies... See how it works on the Internet. : (

Commander Farsight's first GT wrap up:

Here is what I faced and my take on how I played the Tau and what I will change up, along with all the match ups I had. There were moments of heartbreak and glory, but in the end I had a great time! Enjoy!

I didn't do too bad for my first GT I went 3-3 and finished 49th. I would let you know at this point that I am a kid. That in mind, I feel like although I would have really liked to go 4-2 at least, I should have a good future ahead and it was a great experience. I ran a Farsight Bomb that was all Fusion with 5 Suits with 2x Fusion. 2 of them had Target Locks and I had a buffsuit for the 6th man. I took Farsight and Shadowsun so it was a Shadowsight Bomb. I took minimum Kroot Troops, and its something that I would change a little. I only bit me in the ass once, but that was one time too many. I then ran 3 Riptides, 2 With Skyfire and interceptor, one with Skyfire, all of which were sporting the HBC and Fusion Blaster. I then had 2 Squads of 8 Sniper Drones for MC hunting. And and Aegis with a Comms relay. All and all it wasnt too bad. With the 2 markerlights from each of the firesight marksmen, it wasnt nearly enough. I will be moving away from a full farsight bomb and go more with what you run. I have seen the batreps on youtube of what you play. Markerlights are Key. I like taking Skyrays for the Markerlights and AA, because then I feel more free to take IA riptides. Here is how each of my match ups went.

Game 1: vs MSU Orks

This was a game I should have won, by a lot. The Farsight bomb didnt come in on turn 2, even after the comms relay re roll. If it had, I would have had the primary and secondary. All 3 Riptides got tar pitted by deffkoptas in large numbers, and the sniper drones were widely ineffective. All and all, I still blew up 5/6 Trukks with the Farsight Bomb alone, so that turn 2 was crucial. I was a better player than him, but I learned and important lesson, always consider the 4D6 jump move to get out of charge range, and take some Flamer Suits. just 4 flamers on 2 Suits would have been a huge help.

Game 2: vs MSU Space Marines

I actually had a practice match against this guy the night before, so I knew what to expect. It was basically 5-6 outflanking Rhinos with special weapons inside. I lost the game 6-5 due to failing a 4 inch charge with farsight into an OS rhino that would have gotten me a leg up on the secondary, therefore winning me the game. That was just bad dice, what can I say? I really nutered him and if it had gone onto turn 6, I would have had the game for sure, and would have had a great chance to table him. Julio went on to get 5th place, although he really should have been undefeated as in his first game he had bad dice like I did on the charge.

Game 3: vs Astra Militarum piloted Team0comp's own Raw Dogger

Despite his notorious bad dice, he did really well. I came out with a win on the Relic because my Farsight bomb did a number on all of his tanks. I had him concentrating on that which gave me the game to get the relic back behind the ADL so my Kroot could take it for the game. Overall, I lost more than I should have in means of models due to getting tar pitted by blob squads. I finish day 1 with a 1-2 record, time to turn it up!

Game 4: Living Artillery Tyranids

This was a scary game, at first Turn 1 I took out a Mawlock and his Flyrant Warlord, and got a Mawlock to burrow. I then used the Farsight bomb to annihilate his blob of 2+ cover, and then proceeded to table him in 30 min on turn 3. His turns were quite fast. He was a good player, no doubt, but he did underestimate the Farsight bomb, dispite me telling him all about it. A great start to day 2!

Game 5: Drop Pod Space Marines

This was a hard game. I ended up losing 10-1 but the scoreline is not a proper reflection of how close it was. I really tried my best but I had to pick where I wanted the Farsight bomb to go, and so I decided to go for the Primary and have a shot at winning instead of keeping in my backfield and taking stuff out. He had 2 Flamer dreadnaughts and really hurt my riptides with plas and melta. It was a hard fought game, but there was nothing I could really do in the end due to the fact that I couldnt book it across the board in time. Unfortunate, but what can I say? Drop pods are pretty brutal, no matter how much interceptor you have.

Game 6: Drop Pod Space Wolves

I walked up to the table and saw more pods, gak! I was wrecked on turn 2, Farsight Bomb got swept. I was literally about to concede and play another game, but I stuck with it. My sniper Drones went to work on the Marines and he was only able to tie up one riptide on turn 3. I had to play smart and play the objectives. This guy was an donkey-cave too. Trying to cheat and exploit everything he could. Like calling my list illegal even though he had, "extensive knowledge on the tau codex" Due to playing smart, one of the best comebacks I have ever made, I pulled out a win 9-2. This was also the first time i got into a shouting argument over something to the point where judges had to settle it, so I felt good holding my ground against someone much older and bigger than me.

So for my first GT I cant complain too much going 3-3. I need markerlights and already have a new list. I will be talking the FBSC so I can also try 2 Hammerheads or 2 Skyrays like Spam Adams. It will be interesting how things play out, but if there is any army to be afraid of I would say its Tau, especially if its going to be a Marine Heavy format like it is turning out to be. I really appreciate you checking in and if you want to check out my full list that I took and my new one, let me know, this is just already really long. Luckilly I finised 3rd or 4th for Tau, but it was a great experience overall.

I would like to thank Reece and all of the staff from Frontline Gaming for such a good event, and I will be in the shop sometime this week!

Edit: If I have made any standings mistakes that I have mentioned in my post, please pardon me, I'm going off of memory from what ToF. I would also like to give a big thanks to Jim (jy2), and Tim (SabrX), for helping me out, and getting stuff together for the BAO, couldn't have done it without you guys! Thanks!

Oh, and although I didn't get to play her, I thought it was cool to finish above former BAO winner Lyzz. I would definitely like to play against her Daemons some time! If there is time for a match, that would be sweet.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
So now he was using proxies... See how it works on the Internet. : (

He apparently had white scars disguised as ultramarines

 Dozer Blades wrote:
So now he was using proxies... See how it works on the Internet. : (

http://lh4.ggpht.com/-gvKgXqnbq0I/U9YsRE8RMcI/AAAAAAAAHHc/H4rk4sSG09w/s1600/IMG_20140726_090625.jpg

As someone who was at the tournament and spoke to the player in question after the game, I'm pretty sure both of them came away unhappy with how the game went. The story I heard was definitely different than the one his opponent posted on the blog, so I'm going to give them both the benefit of the doubt and assume that it was a close game, tensions were high, and miscommunication probably led each one to assume that the other was playing in an unsportsmanlike manner.

That said, as people are asking for lists, here's the list I played (best Chaos Space Marines, 15th overall):

Ahriman
9x Thousand Sons, Force Sword Sorcerer w/ Melta Bombs
9x Thousand Sons, Force Axe Sorcerer w/ Melta Bombs
9x Chaos Terminators, Mark of Tzeentch, Veterans of the Long War, 9x Combi-Plasma, 3x Power Axe, 3x Powerfist, 3x Chainfist
3x Obliterators, Mark of Tzeentch, Veterans of the Long War
3x Obliterators, Mark of Tzeentch, Veterans of the Long War

Crimson Slaughter Allies:
Sorcerer, Force Staff, Mastery Level 3, Balestar of Mannon, Melta Bombs
10x Cultists, Shotgun, Flamer, 8x Autoguns