Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Hello, I'm trying to collect dwarves at the moment (only a little while till I can begin painting them, nearly nearly done my guard).
Problem is, my brother and the one other guy who lives nearby (the only people who I can have a quick game with without making the trek to GW, where I can't even go yet for fantasy as my army is nowhere near complete, hell not even together) have decidied to just stop playing fantasy in favour of 40k, no matter how I entreat them. My brother was going to collect high elves (and had already bought the army book and a good few boxes) while the other was keen on VC (he had the army book but not many models yet, we proxied for him). Now they just play 40k and its very frustrating, as I enjoyed the lone game in this edition I got to play before they bailed...

Thoughts on how to entice them back? Brother doesn't give two figs for fluff, but the other one might.

I have this problem too.

My most available player is a Dark Elf player - and while we can have matches on a weekly basis, it's tough to motivate someone who's just not into the hobby. My other most motivated player, my brother-in-law, who plays High Elves, lives 7 hours away.

Then there's the stragglers. I have a friend who claims he "really wants to play" and is interested in both Necrons and Dwarfs, but anytime I bring it up he kind of skirts the issue. He missed the whole 750 run, now we've escalated to 1000 and he's yet to buy a single model. He's just too caught up in his MMO's. (yes that's plural.) I have a brother who's around all the time and used to play a lot, back with Catachans he was literally undefeated. He got a little into Tomb Kings a long time ago but then he just has absolutely zero interest now. He didn't even want to make the effort to walk over to my laptop to see the new TK models when I found leaked pictures online.

It's a lonely road we tabletop gamers walk, sometimes. I go through patches where nobody plays and I just paint my army, make terrain, etc. alone.

Here's my advice for you.

Really delve into your hobby. Because after all, that's what it's there for right? For you to have fun. Paint something new. Try building something. Look up the old Skirmish Rulebook, and the General's Compendium, read through the map-based campaigns, smaller fun scenarios in the Skirmish book (i.e. Dwarves trying to close a giant iron door in a hallway crowded with Skaven, a small band of Core troops being ambushed by giant spiders in the woods, successfully steal a Griffin's egg) and usually those books really motivate me to try new things and make it really fun with a few models. In the General's Compendium it has rules for a map-based campaign where you seize territories, reinforce those territories with more troops, raze other sections of the map... It's awesome. If you can entice our friends with little games, you might be able to get them hooked. 40k is simpler than Fantasy, but you have an edge and there is still hope if they're hooked on the hobby already. In my opinion, there's so much more to worry about in Fantasy (flanks, formations, etc.), and (especially with those old supplements that GW NEVER should have discontinued, there was a time when each Skirmish scenario had a project and a special order kit to go with it) can really give Fantasy depth that 40k (again in my opinion) just can't seem to achieve.

So to sum it up, I would try to lure them with smaller games. Get them to test out those models they bought so they just don't go to waste sitting there collecting dust. It's daunting to get into a whole new animal with Fantasy, especially when it involves painting/assembling a whole other army. But VC just got new (awesome) models, and the High Elves are fun to play, especially considering you're playing their ancient grudge-holders. You could also bring it up to other friends, see if they're interested in giving it a shot. I never expected my regular opponent to be into it, but he turned out to be the most consistent.

Good luck, ser.

If you can go to a gw or hobby storethat has tables and games regularly and meet other regulars make friends and then you have more people to play with.

Also as said above small games are pretty fun as well and can be done with a few models.

Go to the gaming thread and post your town/city and see if there are other people out there that may also motivate your friends to play.

If he allready has a lot of High Elves why don't you put them together and paint them (if he can't be bothered) then he won't have an excuse lol.

Good luck, ser.

Do I detect a Song of Ice and Fire reader?

In answer to your problem, I'd also recommend checking the gaming section of Dakka, and throwing down your city, there's probably a lot of people in your situation, I know I was a few years back, but now we've got a nice, solid gaming club that only came together because we communicated with one another and invested in a space collectively.

ya, 40k is far more popular than fantasy where I live too

Dr. Delorean wrote:Do I detect a Song of Ice and Fire reader?

Good call! Aha I actually used it in my regular vocabulary before, i.e. "You got it, sir." But then when read all of Martin's series, I started spelling it with the "e". It just ended up sticking.

Also, as for the painting/building thing. I built and painted my Dark Elf player's entire army for motivation. He didn't have the patience for either. So that is an option as well, though it's a -ton of work. I also help to write competitive comps for my other friends, because getting consistently tabled is a real motivation killer.

motyak wrote:Hello, I'm trying to collect dwarves at the moment (only a little while till I can begin painting them, nearly nearly done my guard).
Problem is, my brother and the one other guy who lives nearby (the only people who I can have a quick game with without making the trek to GW, where I can't even go yet for fantasy as my army is nowhere near complete, hell not even together) have decidied to just stop playing fantasy in favour of 40k, no matter how I entreat them. My brother was going to collect high elves (and had already bought the army book and a good few boxes) while the other was keen on VC (he had the army book but not many models yet, we proxied for him). Now they just play 40k and its very frustrating, as I enjoyed the lone game in this edition I got to play before they bailed...

Thoughts on how to entice them back? Brother doesn't give two figs for fluff, but the other one might.

A Question for you: Why try to entice them back?

There is a reason that 40K is so popular, and there are large regions where Fantasy is ignored or barely played. The Fantasy rules are terrible. Just, truly terrible.
And it is a shame, because I love the models. I tried to "plug in" several of the fantasy armies into superior fantasy rule systems so that the models could actually be used.
In the end, I gave up and just stuck with 40K. It is far more fun and is far easier to find a game for.

NoArmorSave wrote:

motyak wrote:Hello, I'm trying to collect dwarves at the moment (only a little while till I can begin painting them, nearly nearly done my guard).
Problem is, my brother and the one other guy who lives nearby (the only people who I can have a quick game with without making the trek to GW, where I can't even go yet for fantasy as my army is nowhere near complete, hell not even together) have decidied to just stop playing fantasy in favour of 40k, no matter how I entreat them. My brother was going to collect high elves (and had already bought the army book and a good few boxes) while the other was keen on VC (he had the army book but not many models yet, we proxied for him). Now they just play 40k and its very frustrating, as I enjoyed the lone game in this edition I got to play before they bailed...

Thoughts on how to entice them back? Brother doesn't give two figs for fluff, but the other one might.

A Question for you: Why try to entice them back?

There is a reason that 40K is so popular, and there are large regions where Fantasy is ignored or barely played. The Fantasy rules are terrible. Just, truly terrible.
And it is a shame, because I love the models. I tried to "plug in" several of the fantasy armies into superior fantasy rule systems so that the models could actually be used.
In the end, I gave up and just stuck with 40K. It is far more fun and is far easier to find a game for.

??????

I do enjoy 40k a lot, but I like variety, I've also tried getting them into Inquisitor, but no dice (ha-ha-ha). And I would do the high elf thing, if my brother wasn't a FAR better painter than me and would just try and kill me for ruining his nice elf models.

And I can go to GW, but my local one (which is a brilliant one by the by, people say they get some bad ones but my one is actually really nice, and ALOT of tables and gaming space...the hall of the wolf...) seems to be mostly 40k. which I have no issues with, except I do wanna play a bit of fantasy, and since I don't have much together that small game idea does seem quite a good one. Or I could just bludgeon him with a club till he goes with me on it. We'll see.

Just do what I do:
Hold an entire Games Workshop hostage until you get a fantasy battle
Works a lot more than you think it does. Ive only been arrested once!

In all seriousness, try finding a person who plays it, get to know them more, so you get to a point where you can call them or ask them to come to GW when you both want a game

motyak wrote:I do enjoy 40k a lot, but I like variety, I've also tried getting them into Inquisitor, but no dice (ha-ha-ha). And I would do the high elf thing, if my brother wasn't a FAR better painter than me and would just try and kill me for ruining his nice elf models.

And I can go to GW, but my local one (which is a brilliant one by the by, people say they get some bad ones but my one is actually really nice, and ALOT of tables and gaming space...the hall of the wolf...) seems to be mostly 40k. which I have no issues with, except I do wanna play a bit of fantasy, and since I don't have much together that small game idea does seem quite a good one. Or I could just bludgeon him with a club till he goes with me on it. We'll see.

If you like variety, there are so many fantasy games out there that are better than Warhammer Fantasy.

Check out Chronopia if you want a fantasy miniature game. Best rules I have ever played.

NoArmorSave wrote:

motyak wrote:I do enjoy 40k a lot, but I like variety, I've also tried getting them into Inquisitor, but no dice (ha-ha-ha). And I would do the high elf thing, if my brother wasn't a FAR better painter than me and would just try and kill me for ruining his nice elf models.

And I can go to GW, but my local one (which is a brilliant one by the by, people say they get some bad ones but my one is actually really nice, and ALOT of tables and gaming space...the hall of the wolf...) seems to be mostly 40k. which I have no issues with, except I do wanna play a bit of fantasy, and since I don't have much together that small game idea does seem quite a good one. Or I could just bludgeon him with a club till he goes with me on it. We'll see.

If you like variety, there are so many fantasy games out there that are better than Warhammer Fantasy.

Check out Chronopia if you want a fantasy miniature game. Best rules I have ever played.

Honestly, I am of the opposite opinion. There is much more codex imbalance (yeah yeah, codex creep, whatever. Just saying, I think Wood Elves have a better chance then Tau...) and I like that Fantasy doesn't have such dominating shooting. You get into combat quicker, where, if played right, things can turn the tide of the game for you. Sure, there are some awkward rules (random charge range?) and some bad ones (dead or fled. If the unit is neither by the end, you get NO points. Of course, 40k has a very similar idea) Hell, if Fantasy, Leadership matters more! You can actually run a terror based army, which I've been wanting to try for quite a while now! ( Night Lords...-sigh- )

But then again, it IS your opinion. XD

Anyways. To the OP, your GW sounds GREAT. I fully support just starting to troll down there, since you'll have a greater pool of likely people and new people all the time (in theory XD)

Good luck!

I'm having the same issue as you are. My suggestion, since you have two guys who seem to have been lured by the siren call of 40K? Wait them out. 40K is easier to get into, but its fluff is somewhat shallow, as are its strategies and tactics. If they're gamers, they'll eventually want to do something with a little more meat to it, and as they already have the models, well, Fantasy would be a natural choice.

In the mean time, read up on the rules, until you know them backwards and forwards. It'll really help a lot if there's no fumbling around for Overrun rules and how Characters behave when you're in the thick of battle, and smoother games are more fun. Go to the game store, even with a half-finished army. Work on the army there, if it's allowed- if not, (which would just be odd) just go there to hang out and ask around for other fantasy players. Try to set up games, if you can.

Or, if you know the rules well enough, you could try combining 40K and Fantasy. I did it once, and actually had a blast- just use Fantasy rules for the Fantasy army, and 40K rules for the 40K army- 40k are all Skirmishers, and all Fantasy wounds reduce armour saves with high strength. Magic happens when Psychic powers happen, but neither can effect the other.

Trust me, if they've played a few games of 40k where that 40mm Autocannon shell has been stopped by Marine Power Armour, and they're annoyed with the lack of modifiers to BS, they'll at the least be intrigued when you pull those rules out of the Fantasy rulebook.