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Chimera_Calvin wrote:I'm going to

I go away for the weekend, someone puts up daemon pics and I CAN'T SEE THEM!!!! (stupid work computer).

Can anybody help me out??

wait until you get home

Orkhead wrote:Found these on librariumonline. hope the pictures show up.

there are good looking fantasy DP's

Great work with those pictures MasterSlowPoke.
I largely think they look good but I am very underwhelmed by that Daemon Prince, it just doesn't look right and not as dynamic as the current, I've been looking for one for a while now but it's just not as good as the current. I particularly dislike the face,legs and backpack...

I'm 'meh' about the horrors. Otherwise though, all good!

I think the only mistake with the DP is Trying to make it look like the metal one. Their plastic stuff tends to have less of the fine detail, so it just comes out looking inferior. I think once people get their hands on it, and can pose and model it however they want the kit will start to show it's shine.

I seriously dislike the seekers. The daemonettes riding them look so blah, there's no energy in the sculpts. Their legs are draped over the saddles like sandbags. For fast cavalry models, these look slow and plodding, very disappointing, especially considering how dynamically the old seeker riders were...

Everything else looks very nice, I can see myself picking up some of the new juggers to add variety to the ones I've already got (and as heralds to make my own chester ), and more daemon princes and MCs is never a bad thing.

Samus_aran115 wrote:
Its legs are that stupid horse variety crap, which is completely wrong for CSM

Just like the old "satan" looking daemon princes with horse legs and cloven hooves? This isn't the first time.

I'm with Redbeard on the subject of the new seekers. They look very flat. It's almost like they sculpted the steeds and then didn't have any idea what to do about the riders. The riders look like they just took some daemonettes, spread their legs and dropped them on the saddles.

I've been toying around with the idea of starting a Daemon army since I bought a bunch of them when I thought I might play WFB. Now I might just do that if only to showcase seekers whose sculpt actually suggest speed.

I like the look of the new horrors. If this is a plastic kit there is a lot of potential for good bits in the box - hopefully GW will take advantage of that.

Redbeard wrote:I seriously dislike the seekers. The daemonettes riding them look so blah, there's no energy in the sculpts. Their legs are draped over the saddles like sandbags. For fast cavalry models, these look slow and plodding, very disappointing, especially considering how dynamically the old seeker riders were...

Everything else looks very nice, I can see myself picking up some of the new juggers to add variety to the ones I've already got (and as heralds to make my own chester ), and more daemon princes and MCs is never a bad thing.

When GW made the seekers , they had the chance to give them a whole brand new look.
Instead they kept the fail plastic design -_-

Double post.

I wish they sold them in that transparent plastic/resin; it really suits their incorporeal natures.

I'm really loving everyone who says the new DP is crap. You guys are the wind beneath my wings =]

Aaanyway,I really want a plastic Juggernaut. That'll make it sooo much easier to convert and play around with. I've never considered using juggs, but the model has always been so tempting. Now I can put a chaos lord on top of it ^>^ (at least one that looks like it isn't 10+ years old,lol)

The horrors look basically the same, but I don't buy horrors,I make them with LoTR models and Green stuff, so I don't really care that much.

didnt we know that no daemonettes will compare to the diaz ones anyway?

you were bound to be disappointed regardless...

But there are levels of disappointment. We could have had the new style daemonettes, riding these same style seekers, but in active, dynamic poses, and I'd be okay with that. They wouldn't be the Diaz ones, but they'd be cool enough.

Instead we get a passable mount, and a daemonette stuck on top almost as a complete afterthought, with no flow, no motion.

Compare these to the new boar boy models. Even if you don't like the boar's faces, look at how they move. The riders are hanging on. They're barreling along at full speed ready to smash into something. Show me new style daemonettes riding in similar style, and I'll accept that they're not Diaz, and probably buy a couple of units. But these? If I want more seekers, I'd drop the penny on eBay before I buy these, they look like ass.

Redbeard wrote:Instead we get a passable mount, and a daemonette stuck on top almost as a complete afterthought, with no flow, no motion.

I completely ignored the Seekers because they don't hold a candle to the Diaz models.

If these were riding like a thoroughbred racing jockey, that'd have helped.

As it is, it is sad that the Bloodletter on Juggernaut is the most dynamic Daemonic cav.

Looking at the Seekers it looks like it shouldn't be too hard to assemble the riders in slightly more dynamic poses. They wouldn't be the first models to look awful in pictures, and work out well once the players get their hands on them.

@Nurgy: they're plastic, so yes, convertible. But holy crap, every model is going to need it.

If GW had just done a little better job sculpting, to make a nicely passable model (see Jugger & rider), then it'd be perfective rather than necessary.

Nurglitch wrote:I wish they sold them in that transparent plastic/resin; it really suits their incorporeal natures.

That would be awesome! GW once released a games day model of frodo with the one ring on like that and it worked out really well!

JohnHwangDD wrote:@Nurgy: they're plastic, so yes, convertible. But holy crap, every model is going to need it.

If GW had just done a little better job sculpting, to make a nicely passable model (see Jugger & rider), then it'd be perfective rather than necessary.

Agreed. By the way.....Where's your avatar from? Was it the 2008 Olympics?

Johnny:

I think you missed the second part of my post: it could be that they're just assembled and shot that way. They could look better in person, so to speak.

What would be more awesome in all of those awesome minis would be fateweaver made in plastic.
But I'm dreaming.

I don't think the new DP looks different enough from the old one to have warranted getting a new model. It looks like GW gave it a new model just for the sake of saying "Look! a new DP model!" When, in fact, it's so similar to the old that it's more like a redundancy.

Archonate wrote:I don't think the new DP looks different enough from the old one to have warranted getting a new model. It looks like GW gave it a new model just for the sake of saying "Look! a new DP model!" When, in fact, it's so similar to the old that it's more like a redundancy.

- It has been a very long time since GW has had a DP model out. The 40k Chaos DP is from 2002-2003 I believe, and Belakor is 2004. The other metal fantasy DP's have been around since the late 90's.
- Also, the current trend is to go towards plastic HQ boxes with multitudes of options.

So it follows that this way, GW kills two birds with one stone. We get a new plastic DP model, it has a whole bunch of bitz/options, and can be used for either 40k or Fantasy. It's really a no brainer.

Love the new DP. I'll be getting three of them to replace my current metal ones.

I'm probably going to get dragged into making some khorne demons if the price is right on the plastic bloodcrushers.

Really like the new horrors better than the current metal ones. I'll eventually get around to replacing my current horrors with the new. The changling fig. will make for nice tzeentch heralds.

I am disappointed to not see any plastic plaguebearers. Was really holding out hope for them.

Nurglitch wrote:it could be that they're just assembled and shot that way. They could look better in person, so to speak.

If you look at the girls, the legs are straight, and the body upright. Excellent posture, but not at all active or fighty. Boring, really. Now, how there's going to be any dynamism from those stiff legs and torso, I can't imagine. It's like the 3D sculptor forgot to pose the models, and we're stuck with the baseline static renders having been cut into the actual molds.

It's entirely possible that they're marginally less static, but any motion of the model comes from the mount, not the rider, which isn't even integrated with the mount.

However, it's not even remotely possible that changing the angle or paint job is going to make these into dynamic models that are worth buying.

I think you're mistaking your taste for fact. You don't like them. Okay. Other people do. I do, for one. I'm looking forward to picking up a few boxes.

JohnHwangDD wrote:If these were riding like a thoroughbred racing jockey, that'd have helped.

This.

If that was done (or converted, haha), they would look infinitely better.

JohnHwangDD wrote:


It's entirely possible that they're marginally less static, but any motion of the model comes from the mount, not the rider, which isn't even integrated with the mount.

i agree that the daemonettes are abit static compared to the seekers. however, the can be used as fiends of slannesh with minor converting.

@Nurglitch: Are we even looking at the same models? Those Daemonettes are just sitting there. They're completely static and lifeless.

That isn't an issue of taste.

whitedragon wrote:

Archonate wrote:I don't think the new DP looks different enough from the old one to have warranted getting a new model. It looks like GW gave it a new model just for the sake of saying "Look! a new DP model!" When, in fact, it's so similar to the old that it's more like a redundancy.

- It has been a very long time since GW has had a DP model out. The 40k Chaos DP is from 2002-2003 I believe, and Belakor is 2004. The other metal fantasy DP's have been around since the late 90's.
- Also, the current trend is to go towards plastic HQ boxes with multitudes of options.

So it follows that this way, GW kills two birds with one stone. We get a new plastic DP model, it has a whole bunch of bitz/options, and can be used for either 40k or Fantasy. It's really a no brainer.

I agree with everything you said... But if they're gonna go to the trouble of making a new model, they should make improvements. Make it look better somehow. This new DP is neither better nor worse... just different.

Nurglitch wrote:Johnny:

I think you missed the second part of my post: it could be that they're just assembled and shot that way. They could look better in person, so to speak.

I agree with Johnny for that though,

If you look at the riders , their legs should be attached to the saddle so no possibility it was assembled statically there.
Then we have torso and arm , you can rotate the arms 360 for all we know and it'll still look like its just hanging there...

Its still static,

something dynamic = that juggernaught , no to mention the sculptor for once did research on animal movement for a bull prancing around...