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Hey everyone, I'm putting this out there to see if you can help me with a 1250 Point Tourny coming up. I have quite a variety of Ork kit to choose from, but I haven't played a 1250 point game in a long time. The trick to this is that there are 3 rounds of games with each game being only 1 hr 15 min long. That means time management is a big issue and having large groups of boyz to field will just slow things down to a crawl - not to mention irritate my opponents.

So, here's the challenge. From the list below, I have to make up a 1250 point force that will be:

1. Fun to play, including that it won't slow the game down and spoil it for my opponents;
2. Reasonably competitive. I'd like to win more than I lose, only becuase I'd like to improve. My track record so far is about 50/50; and
3. Special characters are allowed, though I don't have any except Ghazghkul (The extra Whaaagh may be useful to get stuck in quickly though).

Here's a first go at a 1250 pt list. Let me know what you think:

Warboss, Eavy Armor, Choppa, Shoota/Rokkit Kombi, Bosspole

Big Mek, Eavy Armor, Cybork Body, Shoota/Burna Kombi, Bosspole, KFF

Lootas x 8 (Deffgunz), Mek x 1 (Megablasta)

Nobz Sqaud (Count as Troop)
PainBoy, Urty Sringe, Doc's Tools, Cybork Body
Nob 1, Cybork, Shoota/Rokkit Kombi, Choppa, Eavy Armor
Nob 2, Cybork, Shoota/Scorcha Kombi, Choppa, Eavy Armor
Nob 3, Cybork, Slugga, Power Klaw, Eavy Armor
Nob 4, Cybork, Shoota/Scorcha Kombi, Choppa, Eavy Armor, Whaaagh Banner
Nob 5, Cybork, Slugga, Power Klaw, Eavy Armor, Bosspole
Battle Wagon, Deff Rolla

Shoota Boyz x 19, Big Shootas x 2 (hold a nearby objective)

Slugga Boyz x 17, Big Shootas x 2, Nob with Power Klaw, Slugga
Battle Wagon, Deff Rolla

Big Gunz (Kanon) x 3, Grots x 9, Runtherd, Squig Hound.


If you have any ideas, please let me know. If you are thinking of other options, this is what I have to pick from:

Characters
Ghazghkul Thrakka

HQ
Warboss - EavyArmor, Choppa, Shoota/Rokkit Combi weapon, Bosspole, Attack Squig
Warboss - EavyArmor, Cybork Body, TLShoota, Bosspole

Big Mek - EavyArmor, Cybork Body, Shoota/Scorcha, KFF
Big Mek - Slugga, KFF

Elites
Lootas X 8 (Deffguns), Meks X 2 (megablasta)
Burnas X 12, optionally include Meks from Lootas
Kommandos X 10, includes 2 Rokkit Launchas
10 X Nobz in Eavy Armor with various combinations fo Shoota, Slugga, Choppa, Big Choppa (1), PowerKlaw (4)
7 X Cybork Nobz with various combinations of Slugga, Choppa, PowerKlaw (2), Shoota/Scorcha (2), Shoota/Rokkit (2)

Troops
Shoota Boyz X 40
Slugga Boyz X 30
Ard Boyz X 20
+ Big Shootas X 6
+ Rokkit Boyz X 4
Trukk X 1

Fast
Warbikes x 9, Plus Nobz Biker
RokkitBuggies X 3
Big Shoota WarTrakks X 3
StormBoyz X 15, Plus Nob with Power Klaw
Ork Bommer (any variety)

Heavy
BattleWagon X 2, Deff Rolla
Killa Kans X 3
DeffDread X 1
Big Guns, Kanon, Runtherd, 12 X Grots
Looted Wagon (Transport)
Looted Wagon, BoomGun

Here's an update based on some feedback I received:

HQ: Big Mek - KFF, EavyArmor, Cybork, Burna
HQ: Big Mek - KFF, Slugga
TP: Choppa Boyz x 11, RokkitL; Nob - Slugga, PowerKlaw, Bosspole; Trukk - Big Shoota, Reinforced Ram, Boarding Plank
TP: Shoota Boyz X 18, Big Shoota; Nob - Slugga, PowerKlaw, Bosspole
Hvy: BattleWagon - Deff Rolla, Borading Plank
TP: Shoota Boyz X 18, Big Shoota; Nob - Slugga, PowerKlaw, Bosspole;
Hvy: BattleWagon - Deff Rolla, Boarding Plank
EL: Burna Boyz X 12; Mek X 2, MegaBlasta
Hvy: BattleWagon - Deff Rolla, Boarding Plank

Thoughts?

I like your second list a lot more than your old one. Any spare points?
If you can you might want to try dropping the big shootas for some Rokkits.

Also im not familiar with the use of boarding planks too much but its my understanding that red paint job is by far one of the best upgrades you can take for any Ork vehicle.

Here is my list.

Mek: KFF, Eavy Armor

Burnas x12
-Mek
Lootas x5

Boys x19: Shootas
-Nob: PK, BP
Boys x18: Shootas (Mek)
-Nob: PK, BP

Buggies x2: Rokkits
Buggies x2: Rokkits

BW: BShoota, Kannon, Plates, Rolla, Plank, Rigger (Boys)
BW: BShoota, Kannon, Plates, Rolla, Plank (Burnas)
BW: BShoota, Kannon, Plates, Rolla, Plank (Mek and Boys)

You would have to get a rokkit buggie and try to use the looted wagon as a BW.

I didn't do RPJ as I don't useally use it as I don't paint my Orks red. Not to mention I don't think it is that great. Anytways there it is hope you like.

Thanks guys, interesting feedback.

@Veloc - Nope, no extra points. Yeah, the list is rather dependent on the Deff Rollas for anit-tank (D6 S10 hits). But that's also where the bording plank comes in. Ram vehicles for the initial Deff Rolla hits, then get close combat attacks from one model on the vehicle (Nob with Power Klaw) from the boarding plank. Seems the combination is worth more than the RPJ, though I admit I have never tried this before. I could consider dropping the second Mek and take a couple Rokkit Buggies.

@balsak - Interesting list. I hadn't planned on weapons for the BattleWagons. I figured they should be moving too much to to really have a chance to shoot, particularly if I only get 3-4 turns in. I'm somewhat surprised it all fits in 1250 pts as the core is not that much different then my most recent, but you manage to fit 4 X buggies and 5 X Lootas in there too. Impressive. I may have to seriously consider dropping one of the Mek's with KFF.

Well you really need one gun at least on the BW. If it gets a weapon destroyed it become immobilized instead per the vehicle damage table.

I like to shoot with my orks, so that is why I have the guns on the BW's. At 1250 you will not have much that can deal with 3 KFF shielded BW's, so moving and shooting isn't really a bad thing to do.

The Mek shoudl stay in the BW at all times, even if the Boys get out to assault. He should saty in there. That is why i ddin't give him alot of Gear. I useally don't even give him the Armor. I had the points and it couldn't hurt.

You can of course switch it to sluggas if you want. Like I said I do shoota because I like to shoot with the Orks. But Sluggas will work even better for an assault based Ork army.

And by the way it is at 1249 right now.

Thanks balsak, I hadn't been thinking of the weapon damage table result in that way for sure. However, it makes me more inclined to take grot riggers, rather than a weapon. Then I could recover from either result.

Although I was planning on moving the wagons for the value of the deff rolla (and Planks if the target is a vehicle), I see your point reference sluggas vs shootas. If I move cruising speed for two rounds to get the deff rollas into play, that's two rounds the shootas won't be shooting while embarked.

So, in your list, with your shooting style of play, why do you take the Planks? Do you generally get close enought to vehicles to use it? How about the Deff Rolla, is it mostly used as a defensive weapon as troops approach you?

I must admit, I normally use shootas to sit and hold objectives, not using them in assault. However, I had been thinking that if they do get to shoot from the BW, they are more effective than the Sluggas and if they don't get to shoot, they are not that much less effective in CC. 20 Boyz at 2 attack each still packs a punch in CC.

Hmmmmm .....

Ok well to be honest I have only played one game with my BW list. I usally run a Kan wall type list.

Well as far as the weapons go, for 5 points to have that extra wound so to say is worth it. If you noticed I didn't put riggers on 2 of the wagons as they both have Meks in them with Mek tools. So they can actually fix the wagons as well.

The planks are awesome as I can move up shoot at infantry and then assault that vehicle or dread that is close by. You can also use both the rolla and the plank against the same vehicle if you need to, or 2 different targets. Its really all about options IMO.

I don't sit and hold objectives with Orks. It is a waste of good points to do so. You only need one objective to win.

They would actually get 3 the one for charging as well.

Thanks for the comments. Your points are well made.

In my experience at this particular tourny, in the objective games it usually takes more than one objective to win. They usually have 5 on the board, so each side quickly gets one, holds it, then it's a fight for the majority of the rest. Also, having only one more than the opponent is usually a minor victory, while having two more is a major victory.

Mind you, that is usually at 1750 points as well. To have 5 objectives in 1250 points may not work. There won't be enough units on the board to hold them. Hopefully they post the scenarios soon. They usually post them well before the event.

I don't really play in tourney's so I am not up on the scenerios that might be there. I just play to the ones in the BRB.

Yeah its going to be very hard for anyone to hold 5 objectives in 1250. So like you said, that would have to change.

Based on various feedback, here's the second alternate list:

HQ: Big Mek - KFF, Choppa
TP: Choppa Boyz x 11, RokkitL; Nob - Slugga, PowerKlaw, Bosspole; Trukk - Big Shoota, Reinforced Ram, Boarding Plank
TP: Shoota Boyz X 18, Big Shoota; Nob - Slugga, PowerKlaw, Bosspole
Hvy: BattleWagon - Deff Rolla, Borading Plank, Armour Plates, Big Shoota
TP: Shoota Boyz X 18, Big Shoota; Nob - Slugga, PowerKlaw, Bosspole;
Hvy: BattleWagon - Deff Rolla, Boarding Plank, Armour Plates, Big Shoota
EL: Burna Boyz X 12; Mek X 2, MegaBlasta
Hvy: BattleWagon - Deff Rolla, Boarding Plank, Armour Plates, Big Shoota
Fast: RokkitBuggy X 1
Fast: RokkitBuggy X 1

It's starting to look more like the list from Balsak, but I'm still debating on the Trukk Boyz. I may yet drop them in favor of more Buggies, Lootas, or something else. At this point, I think it will need some play testing.

Well I like it, the trukk is the weak link in the list IMHO.

If you plan on taking the rokkit in the squad, put it on the Nob. He all ready has the PK so is not losing anything but you are gaining some extra attacks from th boy that lost the rokkit.

Same goes with the shoota boys squads, give the BShootas to the Nobs. Which I just noticed I forgot to put down in my Army list. lol

But looks pretty good. i am not sure of many armies that can deal with that. At least points for points. Playing and tactics and dice may change that of course.

Thanks balsak. I've got all summer to playtest it. I may have to spend some time at the local GW store on Thursday nights and see how it goes. I may end up swapping out the Trukk Boyz after all.

Sure no problem. Anytime there buddy.