Forgeworld Going Mainstream Rumor

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**Reecius**

Hey guys, riding right on the heels of the recent FW IAA release, we got this piece of info we wanted to share: http://www.frontlinegaming.org/2012/07/06/forgeworld-imperial-armor-aeronautica-and-a-rumor/
Enjoy!

**Platuan4th**

Here's fething hoping.

**Reecius**

Right? I HOPE this one is true, and I believe it is as a lot of folks who know what they're talking about have all told us the same thing.

I love FW, let's hope this one pans out.

**Gavin Thorne**

+1 to Platuan4th

As an Eldar player, our best Fast Attack units are out of the latest IA book. I'd love to see Hornets as "street legal" units and the very balanced (and awesome looking!) Wraithseer should be leading my Ghost Army in it's implacable advance across the battlefield.

**stratassj**

Its about time.. but i do wonder, if this is true, will forge world prices remain the same, or will the change?

**Platuan4th**

Gavin Thorne wrote:+1 to Platuan4th

As an Eldar player, our best Fast Attack units are out of the latest IA book. I'd love to see Hornets as "street legal" units and the very balanced (and awesome looking!) Wraithseer should be leading my Ghost Army in it's implacable advance across the battlefield.

Mostly I'm for the easier access to the models as I tend to be able to use them where I play, but that part will be good for those folks who don't have accommodating stores/clubs.

**chaos0xomega**

I dont suppose they will decrease the price if true...

**MightyGodzilla**

Ultimately I'm excited about this, although this happening is a ways off from the way this article reads. World demand due to ease of purchase will probably mean FW selling about 5x what they do now when this comes into play. And if their second production facility will probably take a while to come into fruition between building and staffing it with appropriately trained people. And if more volume plays apart in their quality going down like the speculation for FineCast (can of worms opened/closed - keep FC to another thread) the whole thing could blow up in their faces.

I hope it doesn't. I hope they pull it off grandly and the QC stays high and they're able to meet their demand. But I believe this to be a ways away. Wait patiently. I hope they..ahem.."measure twice, cut once" on this endeavor.

**Sasori**

I hope this is true, it gives a lot of room for a lot of people to expand their armies!

**ShumaGorath**

MightyGodzilla wrote:Ultimately I'm excited about this, although this happening is a ways off from the way this article reads. World demand due to ease of purchase will probably mean FW selling about 5x what they do now when this comes into play. And if their second production facility will probably take a while to come into fruition between building and staffing it with appropriately trained people. And if more volume plays apart in their quality going down like the speculation for FineCast (can of worms opened/closed - keep FC to another thread) the whole thing could blow up in their faces.

I hope it doesn't. I hope they pull it off grandly and the QC stays high and they're able to meet their demand. But I believe this to be a ways away. Wait patiently. I hope they..ahem.."measure twice, cut once" on this endeavor.

In my experience forgeworld QC has always been pretty bottom rung. They handle bad products with grace by sending out full replacements, but I've never seen a forge world product without some sort of major defect.

**Kroothawk**

Just for convenience, here the full quote:

Forgeworld: Imperial Armor Aeronautica (And a Rumor!!!)

Forgeworld has released a new book, Imperial Armor Aeronautica. We got a juicy rumor to go with this!

So, Forgeworld is giving us 6th edition updates to the rules, nice one!The book will be typical Forgeworld high quality and hopefully without typical Forgeworld typos!

I can’t wait to get a Vulture for my IG, what a sweet machine!

But, here is the rumor: a regular of ours talked to GW asking if he could use Forgeworld in tournaments and he told us he was told that YES HE COULD, and that a FAQ for all of the Forgeworld stuff would be released by Games Workshop (not Forgeworld) giving all the pertinent rules to allow them in regular play.

Also, he told us that Forgeworld will be releasing codices that are official and will explore some of the more niche aspects of the GW universe (the example given was a Salamanders Codex). He also said that all Forgeworld product will be sold in GW stores.

This corroborates a LOT of rumors we are hearing about Forgeworld going mainstream from multiple sources. What we hear is that GW is waiting to set up a North American production center so that they will be equiped to meet the anticipated demand that will come with letting FW into regular play.

The rest are my thoughts on this.

ABOUT TIME! We here love FW and have been pushing to get them into regular play, and now it looks like that will happen. Awesome! Hull Points mitigates a lot of the fear people had about overpowering rules, and the rest of it is just cool. The more toys the better, we say!

So wow, this means the meta will get obliterated if true. Allies and Forgeworld will just totally alter the landscape, and it will keep new releases coming out at us WAY faster than before. This also ties in with the “mini-codex” rumors I was told about as that individual also specifically mentioned Forgeworld Codices being released.

I am very excited for this! Think of how much this opens the game up, wow, it will be an entirely new landscape with so many options that literally, no two armies could be the same if you so desired. I am all for it and hope this turns out to be true.

Well, this is possible. I will believe it when FW books are sold in the GW webstore again.

**Frozen Ocean**

Forgeworld doing niche Codexes sounds neat. I love Forgeworld. I don't know why, but they seem a billion times nicer than mainstream GW.

Also the models are pretty okay, too. (Eeee Wraithseeeer <3)

**darknightwing**

I certainly hope this is true. I would really love to be able to play my elysians in a tournament.

**Brother Dimetrius**

To be honest I don't get the point of this thread. Recent Forgeworld publications have been officially sanctioned to use in 40k for a while. It's only the collective decision of most of community that lead to them not being used. Which leads to my main point :

GW organized events a small minority these days so it's down to the individual organizer to make up his mind if which FW rules he wants to allow, if any. Where friendly games are concerned, come to a mutual agreement as to what is legal or not. It's the same with allies in 40k, allies how they used to be in Fantasy, mysterious terrain etc...

We're all (almost) grown-ups, and I don't see anyone needing an official proclamation to use or not use a certain part of the rules, regardless of their source.

**Platuan4th**

ShumaGorath wrote:In my experience forgeworld QC has always been pretty bottom rung. They handle bad products with grace by sending out full replacements, but I've never seen a forge world product without some sort of major defect.

Could we please not turn every FW thread into an argument on QC?

Yes, it's a hit or miss thing. For instance, I own hundreds of their pieces and have only had 2 major flaws in all that time, both of them misalignments that can happen in any casting process with two mold halves, but there's a thread every month about that in discussions.

**undead flesh addict**

I hope so, this would be a major incentive to get a thunderbolt or 2 for my guards

**spiralingcadaver**

Here's hoping!

**Zygrot24**

All I've wished, and all I've ever asked GW for (email to CS) is that GW stores stock bits. Rhino doors, maybe some Mark XX armor, whatever. Keep the big kits made to order, but stock some small stuff. I keep getting told no, and they keep pulling FW from more and more stores.

This rumor, if true, would be awesome. Not for access to big-ass things, but for bits. Yes, yes, third parties exist. But there are things FW has that no one else does that I want. Yay!

**Bloodwin**

Well I'd love to see FW do a Squats list like they did for Chaos Dwarves. A small niche book for an army that GW don't have the time or space to fit in to their allotted number of armies. This could even mean that GW could even drop some codices that are deemed too niche like Sisters of Battle and allow the main design studio to perhaps introduce new armies or races.

However, even though it says in Throne of Tamurkhan that Chaos Dwarves are an official army list it still isn't allowed at some events.

**Kingsley**

I hope this rumor is false. Allowing Forge World units would cause Flyers to die on the vine, since FW has seen fit to allow 50 point immobile Hydra platforms with both Skyfire and Interceptor. This is obviously completely broken and would kill all flyers competitively, as well as Codex: Dæmons and really any Reserves in general.

The only valid flyer in an environment that includes these platforms would be the Cæstus Assault Ram... another broken Forge World unit!

If Forge World rules are allowed, tournament organizers will have to essentially set up a "ban list" that prevents the extreme and unbalanced "outlier units" offered by Forge World from being used in their events, as such units will ruin the game for everyone else. I'm fine with playing against Forge World stuff in casual games, but they need to get a LOT better rules design before they come to play with the big kids. Allowing their models to be used normally would ruin a lot of what makes 6th edition cool and unique.

**RiTides**

Bloodwin wrote:owever, even though it says in Throne of Tamurkhan that Chaos Dwarves are an official army list it still isn't allowed at some events.

Having faced chaos dwarfs at Adepticon, I can see why

(the guy I played was great, but the army- oh man, crazy!).

That said, I am all for more FW being allowed. If it becomes more mainstream, the huge drawback of no one knowing what the feth any FW unit does will be somewhat mitigated.

**Brother SRM**

undead flesh addict wrote:I hope so, this would be a major incentive to get a thunderbolt or 2 for my guards

Oh my god, don't tempt me! I was this close to clicking the checkout button on Forgeworld's website today.

**mrblacksunshine_1978**

I heard FW is making a factory and store site here in the US

**lord_blackfang**

If this were actually happening, GW would have made more than a passing mention in the new rulebook, I think.

**MightyGodzilla**

Maybe not with all of the GW closed mouthedness we've going on in the year.

**Bobug**

Fetterkey wrote:I hope this rumor is false. Allowing Forge World units would cause Flyers to die on the vine, since FW has seen fit to allow 50 point immobile Hydra platforms with both Skyfire and Interceptor. This is obviously completely broken and would kill all flyers competitively, as well as Codex: Dæmons and really any Reserves in general.

The only valid flyer in an environment that includes these platforms would be the Cæstus Assault Ram... another broken Forge World unit!

To be honest whats wrong with that? arent those things armour 10 and destroyed by any penning hit? Also theyll have 2 hull points at most, when you're armour 10 with 2 HP and immobile you die to a stiff breeze. For 25 points more you get a hydra

Anyway I think the only two "broken" FW units are the land raider "lolcantkillme" achilles, and the dreadnaught drop pod. Now, Mr land raider of death gets balanced perfectly by HP being added to the game, so thats fixed. Leaving only the drop pod. All they need to do is FAQ it to increase its points or w/e and its sorted.

**ironicsilence**

Fetterkey wrote:I hope this rumor is false. Allowing Forge World units would cause Flyers to die on the vine, since FW has seen fit to allow 50 point immobile Hydra platforms with both Skyfire and Interceptor. This is obviously completely broken and would kill all flyers competitively, as well as Codex: Dæmons and really any Reserves in general.

The only valid flyer in an environment that includes these platforms would be the Cæstus Assault Ram... another broken Forge World unit!

If Forge World rules are allowed, tournament organizers will have to essentially set up a "ban list" that prevents the extreme and unbalanced "outlier units" offered by Forge World from being used in their events, as such units will ruin the game for everyone else. I'm fine with playing against Forge World stuff in casual games, but they need to get a LOT better rules design before they come to play with the big kids. Allowing their models to be used normally would ruin a lot of what makes 6th edition cool and unique.

I would suspect that bit about GW releasing FAQs for the forgeworld stuff would likely include rules changes to make things balanced, but the goal here is to sell models, not make a balanced game. I'm not to bothered one way or another about using forgeworld stuff in game...but if I can walk into a GW store and look at a forgeworld model to check its quality then hand then money and go home with forgeworld product....

Queue the shut up and take my money image cause There is a crap ton of stuff I want to buy from forgeworld

**MightyGodzilla**

I think it would be a total boon being in the US not having to pay that ridiculous 15% VAT shipping. I can think of a lot of great things to do with the extra $40. Being about 90 miles away from the nearest GW store, cheaper shipping is the only boone I can think of ATM...but I'm just a rural beach bum.

My circle of friends will pretty much let me play whatever I want, so I'm square either way.

**Kingsley**

Bobug wrote:
Fetterkey wrote:I hope this rumor is false. Allowing Forge World units would cause Flyers to die on the vine, since FW has seen fit to allow 50 point immobile Hydra platforms with both Skyfire and Interceptor. This is obviously completely broken and would kill all flyers competitively, as well as Codex: Dæmons and really any Reserves in general.

The only valid flyer in an environment that includes these platforms would be the Cæstus Assault Ram... another broken Forge World unit!

To be honest whats wrong with that? arent those things armour 10 and destroyed by any penning hit? Also theyll have 2 hull points at most, when you're armour 10 with 2 HP and immobile you die to a stiff breeze. For 25 points more you get a hydra

It doesn't matter how easy it is to kill them when they get to shoot you down first in your own Movement phase...

**ShumaGorath**

Bobug wrote:
Fetterkey wrote:I hope this rumor is false. Allowing Forge World units would cause Flyers to die on the vine, since FW has seen fit to allow 50 point immobile Hydra platforms with both Skyfire and Interceptor. This is obviously completely broken and would kill all flyers competitively, as well as Codex: Dæmons and really any Reserves in general.

The only valid flyer in an environment that includes these platforms would be the Cæstus Assault Ram... another broken Forge World unit!

To be honest whats wrong with that? arent those things armour 10 and destroyed by any penning hit? Also theyll have 2 hull points at most, when you're armour 10 with 2 HP and immobile you die to a stiff breeze. For 25 points more you get a hydra

Anyway I think the only two "broken" FW units are the land raider "lolcantkillme" achilles, and the dreadnaught drop pod. Now, Mr land raider of death gets balanced perfectly by HP being added to the game, so thats fixed. Leaving only the drop pod. All they need to do is FAQ it to increase its points or w/e and its sorted.

Neither of those will ever keep up with how broken the vendetta or a basic flying demon prince is in sixth. Nor will hydra flak emplacements be a particularly good defense against flyers when they just die the turn the flyers come into play and never get to make a shot.

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Fetterkey wrote:
Bobug wrote:
Fetterkey wrote:I hope this rumor is false. Allowing Forge World units would cause Flyers to die on the vine, since FW has seen fit to allow 50 point immobile Hydra platforms with both Skyfire and Interceptor. This is obviously completely broken and would kill all flyers competitively, as well as Codex: Dæmons and really any Reserves in general.

The only valid flyer in an environment that includes these platforms would be the Cæstus Assault Ram... another broken Forge World unit!

To be honest whats wrong with that? arent those things armour 10 and destroyed by any penning hit? Also theyll have 2 hull points at most, when you're armour 10 with 2 HP and immobile you die to a stiff breeze. For 25 points more you get a hydra

It doesn't matter how easy it is to kill them when they get to shoot you down first in your own Movement phase...

It's not mathematically likely. Autocanons are pretty crap for downing av12 or better without saturation and since flyers are reserves it won't be hard for any ground based heavy weapon to kill them first turn. It all depends on how many you can take, if you can grab six at 300 points than it'll be a problem, but I doubt you'll get to field quite so many and thats a big investment for something that might not ever face flyers.