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I seem to remember Blood Bowl was £50 for the last boxed set back when GW stocked it before it was pulled so I seriously doubt the new one will be less than that.

Having abandoned GW many years ago, I've lost track on prices.

The re-release of Blood Bowl marks a return for me as a customer of GW.

Comparing to the independent studio prices, 65£ for two min teams is pretty average.

As I said before gw has a policy of making their boxed games look like a 'deal' compared to buying the models seperately. A £65 boxed would mean that the teams consisting of push fit models with only six designs and very few options would retail for more than £30 each.

That pricing is comparable to what already exists from independent studios.

Full teams of really good design are typically priced at 100€, refer to Comixininos at http://www.comixininos.com/blood-bowl-teams/blood-bowl-team-complete.html

Baxx wrote:
That pricing is comparable to what already exists from independent studios.

Full teams of really good design are typically priced at 100€, refer to Comixininos at http://www.comixininos.com/blood-bowl-teams/blood-bowl-team-complete.html

Those prices are crazy! And everyone moans about gw being expensive.

Those prices are crazy, yes.

Mainly because you only ever buy one team of them from that seller. You don't buy 5 sets of them like you would a box of Tactical Marines or what have you so the creators are never going to get the same sort of revenue from them, and this means they need to charge more to make it worth their while. All comes down to economies of scale.

I must admit, the twelve man teams and the make up of those teams, kind of put me off buying the starter box when it comes out.

It does not really leave you with much team choice.

This is why I reckon I will just wait for my teams ( Elves and Chaos ) to get released, as it seems im probably going to have to buy extra clampacks or whatever to get the team I actually want.

Twelve man teams is just the bare minimum to allow for casual games a few times a year.

To really explore the game and the team, one needs variety. Having anything less than all positions available in full numbers pluss standard linemen to fill out the rest will be lackluster.

At least big guys are often easy to get from Fantasy, like Treeman for Wood Elves, Ogres, Minotaur, Troll etc.

To fill in the rest of the blitzers, runners/catchers and others, you really need models in the same design range as the one you got. Or it will not have a good "team" look.

I think it's pretty certain we will have a fleshed out range with all sorts of different upgrade parts, staff members, lots of different teams... but the plastic budget is small, so these things will be resin and priced accordingly.

12 man base teams leaves GW (Forgeworld) with the opening to sell resin special character figures, or alternate poses. It fills the quota for base teams and gets it on the shelf of toy stores and is a good start for getting people into the game. Then they sell all the add ons.

£65 is currently about $80, so I think it'll hit the shelves at $100, though $80 shelf price would be great.

There's going to be a problem, however, if the resin extra players suffer from Forgeworld prices or Finecast quality.

If a small company like Black Scorpion can make a star player character that looks like this for £4:



Then it's somewhat disconcerting for players to then have to buy an additional 4-8 players, depending on teams, at prices that are 3-4 times that, or even more.

That's why I didn't think the original prize for two min teams were that high.

I just bought a complete team of Amazons from Black Scorpion, that was 40£ without a big guy (Amazons don't have big guys).

Black Scorpion does have very good quality, but their resin is really soft! Not a problem if you take good care of minis.

I found many examples from Forge World where 5 marines or similar sized models cost 34£. That would mean almost 7£ per model?

Baxx wrote:
Twelve man teams is just the bare minimum to allow for casual games a few times a year.

To really explore the game and the team, one needs variety. Having anything less than all positions available in full numbers pluss standard linemen to fill out the rest will be lackluster.

At least big guys are often easy to get from Fantasy, like Treeman for Wood Elves, Ogres, Minotaur, Troll etc.

To fill in the rest of the blitzers, runners/catchers and others, you really need models in the same design range as the one you got. Or it will not have a good "team" look.

Thank you Baxx!!!...this is what I was trying to say earlier

Making your own teams is really not that expensive to be honest. I mean if you come from a WFB background you probably have enough spares to go around.
As for consistent looks is a bit relative too, depends on your preference because a dwarf is a dwarf and as such you can look around other companies too.

Actually looking at those orcs I think on getting some for my AoS force.

To try to self motivate myself to paint here is my BB team ready for painting… they were done what? years ago?

 Panic wrote:
Yeah,
Continuing with BloodBowl excitement.
I dug out my Chaos Small Stars for a game against Necromantics
Tidying up their paint job.




I wish I could say it went well!
But they lost 0-1
The game ended with 5KO'd and 5Dead/Injured !

Goblins are both Very Crazy and Very Squishy.

Panic...

I quite like the grey you have used on your goblins and trolls.

Very nice!

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Chikout wrote:

 elaverick wrote:
One store is definitely doing a midnight release for Blood Bowl and that's the Cribbs Causeway store in Bristol (UK).
Info from the store staff is that the current plan from HQ is that the main box set will release at £65. They seem to be targeting the Dark Vengeance price point rather than the Warhammer Quest.

I hope that info is wrong. £65 is way too expensive. If the 24 pushfit regular size models equal the cultists and the chosen. Then the bloodbowl board equals two chaos heroes, a hell brute, 2 marine heroes, 10 marines, 3 bikes and 5 terminators.
Honestly £50 would be expensive for the contents in the box.

+1.

Guess that shuts up the blokes what went on and on about Gw's desire to keep the game inexpensive.

I'm thinking they will be sorely disappointed in the team prices, also.

 Atia wrote:

Do they say in the unboxing video there will be only be rules for humans & orc teams in the starter set?

They will release rules for all teams that ever existed, but maybe just online (which is probably the best way). No squating of teams. Can't wait for resin dark elfs and lizardmen now (and chaos dwarfs in the far distant future :< ).

My copy arrived today for review and we'll play the two teams in the box first but I wanna work my Chaos Dwarfs and Norse teams in until we get the dwarfs and next set of team releases. This box is gorgeous! Review coming up soon!

 VeteranNoob wrote:

 Atia wrote:

Do they say in the unboxing video there will be only be rules for humans & orc teams in the starter set?

They will release rules for all teams that ever existed, but maybe just online (which is probably the best way). No squating of teams. Can't wait for resin dark elfs and lizardmen now (and chaos dwarfs in the far distant future :< ).

My copy arrived today for review and we'll play the two teams in the box first but I wanna work my Chaos Dwarfs and Norse teams in until we get the dwarfs and next set of team releases. This box is gorgeous! Review coming up soon!

Looking forward to that review but seems strange to do it before announcing the price of the box.
Edit new art.

@Chikout, so what is the price on the box?


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Check that, Veterannoob, what is the price on the box?

I like the miniatures even more than the painting.

BTW you know that 12 is the optimum number of players for leagues on FUMBBL? It keeps team rating low. For dwarfs 12 is perfectly fine. For orks and skaven you would like to have access to 4 of each of their specialists. Orks could use a reel in though and not make a starting team with 4 blitzers and 4 blockers.

Gorgeous art, that there. No MSRP on box but once I know I'll share. review will come next week. Gotta review another...new product...this weekend.

If it comes in at fifty quid or so, I'll buy it as soon as it's out. If it's much more, I'll probably hold off until I've got a couple more planned purchases out the way.


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More than £50 for a box with 24 push-fits innit does seem rather steep to me, particularly given the number and variety of figures in GW's recent box games.

infinite_array wrote:
There's going to be a problem, however, if the resin extra players suffer from Forgeworld prices or Finecast quality.

If a small company like Black Scorpion can make a star player character that looks like this for £4:

Then it's somewhat disconcerting for players to then have to buy an additional 4-8 players, depending on teams, at prices that are 3-4 times that, or even more.

Well they're going to be Forgeworld resin, so expecting less than Forgeworld prices will be setting yourself up for disappointment. They won't be £4 per mini, that's for sure.

Waaargh wrote:
I like the miniatures even more than the painting.

BTW you know that 12 is the optimum number of players for leagues on FUMBBL? It keeps team rating low. For dwarfs 12 is perfectly fine. For orks and skaven you would like to have access to 4 of each of their specialists. Orks could use a reel in though and not make a starting team with 4 blitzers and 4 blockers.

Low TR / TV is overrated !



I dont mind paying a bit more for a team where I can actually tailor it to suit my needs, as you say it affects some races more than others also, twelve men just does not cut it for me, It would be ok for starters I guess.

I wish I had time to convert a team, I would like to have a go with the Dwarves but im not a fan of the new sculpts for the dwarf team, Im just hoping that the elves and Chaos look much better !!

Vorian wrote:
If lost patrol is £35 and B@C and BoP are £95... I have a very hard time believing blood bowl will be £65

FW is known for expensive stuff and last time SG's were around prices were ridiculous(~10£ for one stinking epic squiggoth? When you easily need few dozen and are tiny as hell miniatures?). I don't have hard time believing. 65£ isn't even that ridiculous price.

Waaargh wrote:
I like the miniatures even more than the painting.

BTW you know that 12 is the optimum number of players for leagues on FUMBBL? It keeps team rating low. For dwarfs 12 is perfectly fine. For orks and skaven you would like to have access to 4 of each of their specialists. Orks could use a reel in though and not make a starting team with 4 blitzers and 4 blockers.

You know what's not optimum? The combination of 12 players you're getting.

The argument is not that you need to field 16 or more players (which would be illegal). The argument is you need a full team, all positions maxed out including big guy to experience the full depth of the game and of the team. Maybe some teams have a position you don't need to max out. But in case of Orcs, you definitly want max Black Orcs,max Blitzers.

One thing that could drive up the cost of the extra teams is if they include physical cards for the players etc. Which IMO is really needed, I like having the cards for the teams. We already know the extra teams come with extra markers/balls/themed plastic parts aside from the players themselves. I remember with WHQ silver tower they had extra heroes digitally but I didn't like having to constantly mess with my phone during the game to reference their stats.

 Thargrim wrote:
One thing that could drive up the cost of the extra teams is if they include physical cards for the players etc. Which IMO is really needed, I like having the cards for the teams. We already know the extra teams come with extra markers/balls/themed plastic parts aside from the players themselves. I remember with WHQ silver tower they had extra heroes digitally but I didn't like having to constantly mess with my phone during the game to reference their stats.

And on that note,GW actually listened and came out with a separate card expansion for Silver Tower.
It takes the electronic hero cards and makes them nice cards.
Hopefully, they'll do something similar for BB.

 MrDwhitey wrote:
I had no idea what I was doing and he was introducing me to the game. Oh well.

With this release my enthusiasm is rekindled at least.

If your opponent was introducing you to the game and proceeded to curb-stomp you with his powergamer list, he was a douche bag. I'm sorry that was your first experience with what is normally a very fun game and I hope you give this new edition a chance.

 privateer4hire wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
One thing that could drive up the cost of the extra teams is if they include physical cards for the players etc. Which IMO is really needed, I like having the cards for the teams. We already know the extra teams come with extra markers/balls/themed plastic parts aside from the players themselves. I remember with WHQ silver tower they had extra heroes digitally but I didn't like having to constantly mess with my phone during the game to reference their stats.

And on that note,GW actually listened and came out with a separate card expansion for Silver Tower.
It takes the electronic hero cards and makes them nice cards.
Hopefully, they'll do something similar for BB.

Why? It's not like player profiles for Blood Bowl are complicated, like Guild Ball and Warmachine. The cards also become useless in Leagues, when character values can go up/down and they gain skills and injuries. You can fit an entire team's roster and rules on one side of a 8x11 piece of paper. Adding cards into extra players pack is a waste of money and paper.

infinite_array wrote:

 privateer4hire wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
One thing that could drive up the cost of the extra teams is if they include physical cards for the players etc. Which IMO is really needed, I like having the cards for the teams. We already know the extra teams come with extra markers/balls/themed plastic parts aside from the players themselves. I remember with WHQ silver tower they had extra heroes digitally but I didn't like having to constantly mess with my phone during the game to reference their stats.

And on that note,GW actually listened and came out with a separate card expansion for Silver Tower.
It takes the electronic hero cards and makes them nice cards.
Hopefully, they'll do something similar for BB.

Why? It's not like player profiles for Blood Bowl are complicated, like Guild Ball and Warmachine. The cards also become useless in Leagues, when character values can go up/down and they gain skills and injuries. You can fit an entire team's roster and rules on one side of a 8x11 piece of paper. Adding cards into extra players pack is a waste of money and paper.

Yeah I don't mind using a roster, but for a collectible sense some cards would be nice for the sake of the art. I still sleeve all of my cards for SW X wing as well. I hadn't really thought about leagues, I can only really see myself playing this at home with some friends. I'd be okay with scanning a page/using pdfs to print out some cards though if I had to.