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These appear to be changes made in the new fliers book.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=1000018&pIndex=1&aId=3000006&multiPageMode=true&start=2

Amongst other things, IG Valkyries and Vendettas lose Scout and Deep Strike.

[With most, if not all, of this being for fliers, see the thread about Death from The Skies]

 Skinnereal wrote:
Amongst other things, IG Valkaries and Vendettas lose Scout and Deep Strike.

That's pretty significant, right? Not that Vendettas necessarily need any help but still...

Makes you wonder what the point of Death From The Skies is XD

GW's site needs updates, as the Valkyrie item page still lists those 2 rules.

Death From The Skies is now the only way to get rules for some of these units on paper, since WD for them is out of print.
Electronic updates are there in the codices, but we can now buy them in book for now, too.

One has to wonder if they bother reading through the faqs before updating them. The Eldar one has two different fixes for the same rule Intercept.


M.

Yeah,
The Ork FAQ invalidates the Ork WD flier update.
So the only valid rules for Ork fliers are the new £20 death from the skies or the £6 iPad download.

Panic...

Yeah. I noticed that the FAQ for the Stormtalon and Ork flyer entries basically read "Buy the limited edition deluxe FAQ"

I like the BA update.

"Page 38/94 – Stormraven Gunships, Skies of Blood.
Replace this rule with the following:

Skies of Fury:......"

They changed it so much they had to rename it? LOL

And I don't know why, but for some reason the way they're putting in entries that mention BT looks like it might get sucked into C:SM.

 Arschbombe wrote:
I like the BA update.

"Page 38/94 – Stormraven Gunships, Skies of Blood.
Replace this rule with the following:

Skies of Fury:......"

They changed it so much they had to rename it? LOL

It was the same rule with two different names in the BA and GK codex- with it added to the SM and BT codex as well, they updated the rule and picked a codex-neutral name for all the books to use.

Anyone find it funny they put out the Polish FAQs for Space Marines and Space Wolves as well as the english. Got me confused there for a moment thinking they broke something weird.

 Savageconvoy wrote:
Yeah. I noticed that the FAQ for the Stormtalon and Ork flyer entries basically read "Buy the limited edition deluxe FAQ"

Death from the Skies is not Limited Edition.

Hopefully updating the FAQ and Errata will please the people who've been complaining that they would need to buy the new book to play their IG, BA, or other armies. The book is not limited edition and it appears to be optional (unless you don't already have the rules for your fliers, but hey, at least they're making the rules available again).

Both dark eldar flyers lost deep strike. As did the necron flyers.

Looks like everyone did. And Valkyries lost Scout. Not that they really needed it, what with the additional mobility of being a Flyer.

Looks like a streamlining of rules to reflect how GW sees flying units now.

Did i read it correct that Black templars can take the Strom talon as well as the raven?

Q: Land Speeder Storms, Stormraven Gunships and Stormtalon
Gunships are all listed as Space Marine vehicles in the Reference
section. Does this mean that every Space Marine Chapter now has
access to these vehicles as well (i.e . Space Wolves, Blood Angels,
Grey Knights etc.)? (p411)
A: No – you may usually only select units and vehicles that are
available in the army list section of your codex. The two
exceptions are the Stormtalon and Stormraven Gunships,
which are available to armies chosen from Codex: Space
Marines and Codex: Black Templars. The rules for using these
Flyers can be found in the Death From the Skies compendium

 Arrathon wrote:
Did i read it correct that Black templars can take the Strom talon as well as the raven?

Q: Land Speeder Storms, Stormraven Gunships and Stormtalon
Gunships are all listed as Space Marine vehicles in the Reference
section. Does this mean that every Space Marine Chapter now has
access to these vehicles as well (i.e . Space Wolves, Blood Angels,
Grey Knights etc.)? (p411)
A: No – you may usually only select units and vehicles that are
available in the army list section of your codex. The two
exceptions are the Stormtalon and Stormraven Gunships,
which are available to armies chosen from Codex: Space
Marines and Codex: Black Templars. The rules for using these
Flyers can be found in the Death From the Skies compendium

Looks like it. At least that's how I'm reading it too.

hmmm.... so many modeling possibilities. what ta do...what ta do..Now i need to take a look at the BT codex and see if i like it.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Looks like everyone did. And Valkyries lost Scout. Not that they really needed it, what with the additional mobility of being a Flyer.

Right, they couldn't use Scout anyway, as they don't start on the board.

They could have used Scout to Outflank before, which was extremely useful.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
They could have used Scout to Outflank before, which was extremely useful.

True, true.

Telion has a camo cloak and stealth, does this mean he gets a 2+ cover save when in 4+ cover? Does his unit of scouts get it as well without any upgrades?

Miguelsan wrote:One has to wonder if they bother reading through the faqs before updating them. The Eldar one has two different fixes for the same rule Intercept.


M.

They in fact, do not. The DA FAQ states a wargear fix in the army section for Azreal but out of 3 entries on that page...he's on the one before it. A month later they apparently still haven't noticed that.

I guess the fix was more important than the page number but yeah... bonkers.

Savageconvoy wrote:Yeah. I noticed that the FAQ for the Stormtalon and Ork flyer entries basically read "Buy the limited edition deluxe FAQ"

Your thing has new rules, you buy book yes? Doesn't seem to come out and say that for all of them though. Funny thing is looking at the dates and seeing who still lacks flyers...might've been a good occasion to fix that what with this book and all. Would have been interested then!

Mmmm now Tyranid FAQ are now in Polish....

And SW still don't have a flyer or anything to deal with flyers. Fun.

 Arrathon wrote:
Did i read it correct that Black templars can take the Strom talon as well as the raven?

Q: Land Speeder Storms, Stormraven Gunships and Stormtalon
Gunships are all listed as Space Marine vehicles in the Reference
section. Does this mean that every Space Marine Chapter now has
access to these vehicles as well (i.e . Space Wolves, Blood Angels,
Grey Knights etc.)? (p411)
A: No – you may usually only select units and vehicles that are
available in the army list section of your codex. The two
exceptions are the Stormtalon and Stormraven Gunships,
which are available to armies chosen from Codex: Space
Marines and Codex: Black Templars. The rules for using these
Flyers can be found in the Death From the Skies compendium

According to RAW, Blood Angels and Grey Knights just lost their Storm Raven

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Arrathon wrote:
Did i read it correct that Black templars can take the Strom talon as well as the raven?

Q: Land Speeder Storms, Stormraven Gunships and Stormtalon
Gunships are all listed as Space Marine vehicles in the Reference
section. Does this mean that every Space Marine Chapter now has
access to these vehicles as well (i.e . Space Wolves, Blood Angels,
Grey Knights etc.)? (p411)
A: No – you may usually only select units and vehicles that are
available in the army list section of your codex. The two
exceptions are the Stormtalon and Stormraven Gunships,
which are available to armies chosen from Codex: Space
Marines and Codex: Black Templars. The rules for using these
Flyers can be found in the Death From the Skies compendium

According to RAW, Blood Angels and Grey Knights just lost their Storm Raven

Except Codex > Rulebook right, so I do still have my Storm Ravens.

Also, GW FINALLY fixed that stupid argument with the Valks/Vendetta. We all knew scout was going away, which is now official. It also looks like they don't have any other change, so Death from the Skies shouldn't change AV/points cost.

I am still angry now that everyone gets the raven, it feels like it has much less flavor now. Changing the name of the rule hurts.

Also, why did almost every flyer in the game lose deepstrike?

So since the faq didn't change the foc slot of gk stormraven, the placement of the product on gw webpage is wrong ?

(Atm the gk stormraven is in the heavy support slot of grey knight page)

 Nasakenai wrote:
Telion has a camo cloak and stealth, does this mean he gets a 2+ cover save when in 4+ cover?

Yes.

 Nasakenai wrote:
Does his unit of scouts get it as well without any upgrades?

As long as Telion is alive, his unit has Stealth. However, the further +1 camo-cloak bonus applies only to Telion unless you purchase camo-cloaks for the rest of the squad.