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Hello everybody,

I recently started collecting Necrons and iám trying to build my first army list 1500-1850 points. This list is designed to play in my local Games Workshop mostly against space marine players.(But i want the list to be allround). I have been collecting CSM for a long time now but when it comes to Necrons i have no idea what iám doing. I took a break from the hobby for several months and started this new army. These are my models and the list i came up with.

I would really like some feedback on tactics/list build and next buy to expand my army.

H.Q:

Nemesor Zahndrekh 185pts

Destroyer Lord 160pts
Sempiternal Weave
MSS

Royal Court 265pts
3x Cryptek
Harbringer of Despair
Harbringer of Despair
Harbringer of Destruction+ Solar Pulse

1x Necron Lord
Warscythe
Mindschackle Scarabs
Resurrection Orb
Phase shifter
Sempiternal weave

Troops:

total 20x Warriors total 260

total 10x Immortals total 170
Tesla Carbine

Heavy Support:

2x Annihilation Barge total 180
2xTesla Destructor

Fast Attack:

total 6x Canoptek Wraiths total: 240
3x whip coil

Elite:

total 5x Deathmarks total: 195
+ Night Scythe

total 5x Deathmarks total: 195
+ Night Scythe


Total list points: 1850
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Zahndrekh with the 10x Immortals(tesla carbine in the back field) and harbringer of Destruction/Solar Pulse.
Destroyer Lord with wraiths soaking up incoming fire.
Lord with the 20x warriors
Two units of Deathmarks with the Harbringer of Despair(in Night Scythe)
I could really use some advice on List/Tactics or tips on my next buy to expand the army to make it more solid.`


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No tips at all?

Well the problem is we don't have much to go on. Do you want to be competitive, do you love x/y/z, do you want to be shooty or choppy?

In a vacuum I'd say...
Fill out your heavy support slot. Everyone here would say get a 3rd barge which certainly isn't wrong though if you can find more points spyders and the other choices can work.

Find a use for your HQs. Right now you have a strong close combat IC with a unit that you NEVER want to get into a fight with.The lord will just get challenged, Obyron will kill a few things, the rest of your robots will get stomped and then you'll be swept. If you want to use Obyron he either has to go into a fight on his own (the only way you can really not rules lawyer him extra counter blow attacks) or you use him in a CC beatstick unit that takes advantage of his veil (lychguard, royal court, Spyders etc)

Don't mess about with 9 deathmarks. Get 5 and use the abyssal tek. 8 more shots might net you a couple more kills but that's nearly 80 points more invested in a suicide unit...and why give the tek in this unit a veil...they have a nightscythe.

Ditch the necron lord. That's nearly another 100 points and while a res orb is good it's pretty hard to make back your points in pure necron warriors.

If you're running wraiths and havent filled your HQ slots always get a destroyer lord. He turns 6 wraiths into about 20 with his 2+ save and preferred enemy.

Sorry for the negative tone, but cron lists need to synergise and yours is lacking a plan right now :(

Thank you for the feedback Tumbleweed and i have no problem with the negative tone this is the only way i learn.

I see what you mean about the Synergy what about Obyron running with the 6x Wraiths?

My plan with the Veil of Darkness tek with 9 Deathmarks is transport them with the Nightscythe deploy shoot and next turn use the veil of darkness to get to move to another enemy unit to shoot or get to safety. Iám thinking about taking 2x 5 deathmarks so i can mark 2x enemy units.

Not sure what to do with the necron lord maybe strip him of the expensive gear and jsut use him as a 2+ AS in the front of the warriors?

Think i buy a Destroyer lord sounds like a great plan.

As for my main plan for the army. I like the idea of many infantry units and focus on shooting. But supported by 6 wraiths and Scarabs to avoid my warriors/immortals from being assaulted to easy. Iám not into tournaments or anything just like to create an allround list to play with in my local GWS, but i like it to be strong and fun to play for me and my opponent aswell.

Oby with wraiths isn't going to be that good. Wraiths are fast jump units that are not slowed by terrain. Adding oby means they will be slow and lose the chance for HoW attacks on the charge and be impacted by terrain.

Oby is kind of broke at the moment, his special rull ( cleaving counter blow) is writen in a way that it can't be used when he is in a group.. and this is one of the only reasons you want him in CC. So what you get with him is a very expensive veiltek who's only benefit is that he can Ghost walk out of combat if your survive and don't get swept.

If you really like him and want to keep him... I saw an interesting concept on the boards the other day ( need to find a link to the post) where there were talks of bringing 3 spyders... spawn scarabs at the start.. let them rush out so they can get in combat t2.. then DS oby and the spyders into the fray so they can continue to spawn more scarabs as they go down.. and get into combat themselves. Oby can break off and charge seperate on his own.... it sounds like a lot of fun.. thought I can't comment on how impactful it is...

I've never not had a resorb pay me back and then some in a 20 man warrior unit. You only have to make 2 saves you wouldn't for it to almost pay for itself.. after 3 you have gained points. Though I never run 20 man warrior units without a ghost ark behind it.. repair barge paired with resorb makes that a much harder to kill unit.

Thank you Roci some solid advice. I really love Obyron and want to field him 100%.

What are your thoughts on deathmarks with Despair tek?
I understand the problem with pairing Obyron with the wraiths it's a bit stupid to slow the wraiths down when you want them in CC ASAP.
Back to the drawingboard for Obyron

I do not own any spiders and iám not really interested in getting any tbh. Would like to focus on infantry mainly. Thinking of gettign a repair barge.

if you dont want spiders I would recommend dropping the scarabs


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a single Doomscythe wouldn't be amiss either

I love oby too, one of my favorite models and his fluff is great. I just haven't found a soild use for him, so he is sidelines at the moment.

D&D combos are great, I have many lists that use this set up. Since most of the time they die after they kill their target or just become meh because you can't remark units with HtH, I tend to run mine in 5 man deathmark sets. If you had a second royal court,, a D&DD (double despairteks) can be down right brutal. But would require a lot of changes in your list to pull off.

 Roci wrote:
I love oby too, one of my favorite models and his fluff is great. I just haven't found a soild use for him, so he is sidelines at the moment.

D&D combos are great, I have many lists that use this set up. Since most of the time they die after they kill their target or just become meh because you can't remark units with HtH, I tend to run mine in 5 man deathmark sets. If you had a second royal court,, a D&DD (double despairteks) can be down right brutal. But would require a lot of changes in your list to pull off.

This. Spot on.

Ok besides the uselessnes of Obyron and the smaller deathmark size does this list look balanced and ok to work with ?

Looks good. As noted above replacing Oby and lord should give you points for a destroyer lord for wraiths and a ghost ark.

You may want to switch squads- the Warriors have RF weapons so they can't assault and shoot in the same turn. Place Obyron with the tesla immortals and Zandrekh with the Warriors- that way you don't lose a turn of shooting when you try to assault a unit with your melee beatstick characters.

Here's what I would do:

Drop the Scarabs....all they are is a target for the enemy to score First Blood.
Replace Obyron and Zahndrekh with a normal Overlord (with Sepiternal Weave, Mindshackle Scarabs & ResOrb) and a Destroyer Lord (with Sepiternal Weave and Mindshackle Scarabs). Overlord runs with the Warriors and the Destroyer Lord goes with the Wraiths.
Royal Court is good....put the Lord with the Immortals for ResOrb support.
Get a third AnniBarge and make sure the secondary weapon is the Tesla on all of them. You always should be moving these to get the jink save so any weapons firing past the first are hitting on 6's. Might as well take advantage of the Tesla rule while you're at it.

Rest of the list looks pretty good to me.

 Zathras wrote:
Here's what I would do:

Drop the Scarabs....all they are is a target for the enemy to score First Blood.
Replace Obyron and Zahndrekh with a normal Overlord (with Sepiternal Weave, Mindshackle Scarabs & ResOrb) and a Destroyer Lord (with Sepiternal Weave and Mindshackle Scarabs). Overlord runs with the Warriors and the Destroyer Lord goes with the Wraiths.
Royal Court is good....put the Lord with the Immortals for ResOrb support.
Get a third AnniBarge and make sure the secondary weapon is the Tesla on all of them. You always should be moving these to get the jink save so any weapons firing past the first are hitting on 6's. Might as well take advantage of the Tesla rule while you're at it.

Rest of the list looks pretty good to me.

He can keep Zandrekh- the guy has a resorb after all and his special rules are rad.

 Galorian wrote:

 Zathras wrote:
Here's what I would do:

Drop the Scarabs....all they are is a target for the enemy to score First Blood.
Replace Obyron and Zahndrekh with a normal Overlord (with Sepiternal Weave, Mindshackle Scarabs & ResOrb) and a Destroyer Lord (with Sepiternal Weave and Mindshackle Scarabs). Overlord runs with the Warriors and the Destroyer Lord goes with the Wraiths.
Royal Court is good....put the Lord with the Immortals for ResOrb support.
Get a third AnniBarge and make sure the secondary weapon is the Tesla on all of them. You always should be moving these to get the jink save so any weapons firing past the first are hitting on 6's. Might as well take advantage of the Tesla rule while you're at it.

Rest of the list looks pretty good to me.

He can keep Zandrekh- the guy has a resorb after all and his special rules are rad.

The problem with that is it puts him 55 points over with the other modifications I've suggested. Special characters are nice but sometimes it's good to go with just the basics, especially when you're playing the army for the first time and, as the OP put it, "have no idea what you're doing". Once he gets a feel for what the Necrons can do, then he can branch out to special characters.

Thanks all for the comments. I changed the list a bit. Upped it to 1850 points and added another flyer and split the deathmarks in two smaller squads both with Despair tek.
Zathras i uderstand your point about the scarabs being a firstkill magnet thinking of removing them from the list.
About Zandy and Oby i really want to field them and learn how to play with them as soon as possible. But i see where you are coming from starting with the basics sounds like a good plan. I will probably make another list without special characters aswell.
Altho i don't think Zandrekhs special rules are that hard to grasp, Obyron on the other hand seems a bit more difficult.

Just ordered my destroyer lord think the prize was a bit high but i really want it for my wraith squad.

Ok it hurt my heart but i removed Obyron from the list (i can't really fit him in there, like all of you suggested before) and put in the destroyer lord with MSS and sempiternal weave to go infront of the wraiths to soak up damage. I removed the scarabs and now i end up with 60 points laying around. I used them to deck out my normal lord with pretty much everything except Tezzeract Labirinth. I don't see any other way to spent the points maybe give a cryptek something? Could give both despair teks Veil of Darkness but seems a bit likea waste for a suicide unit.

Just curious, you mention use destroy lord with wraiths for maximum effect.... How exactly do you do this? Just stick him at the front and use look out sir rolls?

The lord is in the front of the squad and uses his 2+ save to protect the wraiths and you can look out sir if you want to use the 3++ save from the wraiths. Also gives prefered enemy.

Tactic video about wraiths + destroyerlord

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-qwCZVFyIw

Duplicate post.

 Demic25 wrote:
The lord is in the front of the squad and uses his 2+ save to protect the wraiths and you can look out sir if you want to use the 3++ save from the wraiths. Also gives prefered enemy.

Tactic video about wraiths + destroyerlord

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-qwCZVFyIw

I would be real careful doing this. I tend to use a naked wraith to take the shots unless I know for sure I won't have any AP2 weapons being fired. ( which is very likely at 1850 most armies you face will have low ap shooting) With no invul save a few well placed ap2 wounds. ( riptide ion weapon comes to mind) and you will loose your preferred enemy and ap1 armor bane weapon. ( on top of points) If I can position them to where only small arms fire will come in then I will use the dlord.
Beyond that, I won't risk him like that.

Ofc it's not something you throw at anything and have to play it carefully. But i think it has a lot of potentiel to combo those two.

any other tips Roci ?

Thanks for feedback!

I use a destroyer lord with 6 wraiths and have to say that they are pretty effective, I only have 1 AB so I can't comment on the effectiveness of having more than one but I guess if everyone says they are awesome then I will have to get some more.

I recently bought the Sentry with Gauss, I have played 4 games with it so far and have to say that it is awesome. Wasn't awesome on my wallet but I love the model so had to have it, think it will make it into my sub 1000pts list at this rate.

Have some crypteks in your squads, I run 10 man minimum...tesla always for Immortals (that just my preference). 9 warrior squad in an ark with a stormtek and the usual 5 man Deathmark squad with desptek and a nightscythe. If you find yourself with left over points use them to get in another cryptek (if you have another squad for it to go in) or upgrade your existing ones.

In short;

Minimum 10man Tesla Immortals
Minimum 1 Nightscythes (any flavour of squad in them of your choosing)
Minimum 1 AB
At higher points think about have a CCB for your warlord

Thank you Anubi_gate for the feedback

Another cryptek is a nice idea. I could stick a Storm cryptek with lightning field with Zahndrekh and the 10 immortals.

mmm nevermind that. I can't use another cryptek all groups already have a lord or a cryptek in them.

Anymore tips or tactics going to complete this list and get some games in soon.

I don't own any arks