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What are the options ("Ranged Weapons, Melee Weapons, Runts & Squigs, Orky Know-wots and/or Gifts of Gork and Mork list") for the Painboy and the Warboss?

Are Skorchas unchanged?

Cost points for the Buggies? Is it true that the unit is 1-5 and gets outflank? Do Wartrakks still exist?

In Nobz and MaNZ mobs which is the cost for the Killsaw upgrade and for the Waaagh! Banner? As well, what is a Boss Nob in those units?

Kill bolt, 18 inch str 10 ap 2 beam? Love it.
Vomit: Str 7 AP2 template, love it.
Da Krunch: Str 2D6 Large Blast, if you roll a over 10 you hit everything twice at str 10. Love it.
Teleporting 30 strong mobs around the table. Love it.

Weird boyz taking up my precious HQ slots, not so loving it.

How many pts is mega armour for the hq's, and can painboys get mega armour?

Not to mention all warbosses are now chumps in combat due to not being able to get an invul.

BooBoo wrote:
What are the optinons ("Ranged Weapons, Melee Weapons, Runts & Squigs, Orky Know-wots and/or Gifts of Gork and Mork list") for the Painboy and the Warboss?

Are Skorchas unchanged?

Cost points for the Buggies? Is it true that the unit is 1-5 and gets outflank? Do Wartrakks still exist?

In Nobz and MaNZ mobs which is the cost for the Killsaw upgrade and for the Waaagh! Banner? As well, what is a Boss Nob in those units?

Twinlinked shootas, Kombi Shootas
Klaw or Big Choppa
bike, Cybork, Boss pole, Gitfinda
Some surgical grot, otherwise ammo runt or attack squig
Relics have been covered already

5 point drop on buggies, yes upto 5, yes outflank.
Skorcha same cost as before
trakk is a 5 point upgrade
Kill saw is 10 points for the pair for mega nobz, replaces both weapons.
Waagh is double that.
Boss Nob is literally nothing more than unit leader (no stat differences to normal nob)


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 deffrekka wrote:
How many pts is mega armour for the hq's, and can painboys get mega armour?

Same as warboss used to pay, no mega painboyz sorry.

How many warp charges are the powers?

'eadbanger seems to be a power you use on an enemy now?

 herpguy wrote:
Wow so Ghaz lost his invul (except for once per game), and his special Waaagh that makes all units fearless and used to give a guaranteed 12" charge to everybody and he's still the SAME PRICE???? Wow this is such a disaster.

Uhhh, about that... you may have been cheating.

Is Nazdreg a character in the new codec?

Yeah Ead Banger is used on an enemy, focused witch fire, pass a toughness or lose a wound with no saves allowed.

It goes:
Frazzle (1 WC, primaris)
Ead Banger (1 WC)
Warpath (1 WC)
Da Jump (1 WC)
Kill Bolt (2 WC)
Power Vomit (2 WC)
Da Krusha (2 WC)


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Makinit wrote:
Is Nazdreg a character in the new codec?

Nope

 the_Armyman wrote:

 Dakkamite wrote:

Inb4 'sky is falling' etc, for serious guys, do these changes look fun to you? There could be hidden power combos, sure, but as someone else put it, this book is suppost to be fun, and it looks like its anything but.

We're probably in the minority, Dakkamite. Nothing strikes me as particularly interesting about any of the new rules, and I've read pretty much this entire thread. It all just seems so milk-toasty and uninspired.The changes are over-complicated (really, more random tables?) or just simply baffling.

I hate to be saying this but after CSM and now this I think I'm finally done with 40K.

Do weirdboyz still generate a random power or roll once per game and your stuck with that power?

Are weirdboyz only 1 per HQ slot or can you take multiple per HQ slot?

 herpguy wrote:
Not to mention all warbosses are now chumps in combat due to not being able to get an invul.

Pfft, a Warboss will still wipe the floor with 90% of Space Marine Captain-alikes without EW and will still frighten MC's, especially now their S10 stomp is one attack. With cybork body you get some defence, and depending on the cost of lucky stixx they could make War bosses a real winner.

What is going to be in "Ghazghull: A Codex: Orks supplement" if Ghaz is in the normal codex?

NamelessBard wrote:

 herpguy wrote:
Wow so Ghaz lost his invul (except for once per game), and his special Waaagh that makes all units fearless and used to give a guaranteed 12" charge to everybody and he's still the SAME PRICE???? Wow this is such a disaster.

Uhhh, about that... you may have been cheating.

4th and 5th edition

Roll per game like any other psyker. Obviously if you go all ork powers you get the primaris for free as psychic focus kicks in.

1 Per slot.

NamelessBard wrote:

 herpguy wrote:
Wow so Ghaz lost his invul (except for once per game), and his special Waaagh that makes all units fearless and used to give a guaranteed 12" charge to everybody and he's still the SAME PRICE???? Wow this is such a disaster.

Uhhh, about that... you may have been cheating.

Thats what he did in the 5th edition ruleset. 100% chance to run 6" and then be allowed to 100% charge 6"


Personally, I love how the 6+ FNP rumour was actually true... It just replaces our 5++ cybork body!
Please don't tell me it costs 5 points.

Thanks melcavuk tbh in excited for the ork book, properly do a bully boys army seeming how biker nobs took the highest hit

Thank you for your patience and for sharing

1.Any changes to ammo runts, oilers, orderlies?
2.Are mek toolz still the same?
3.Do FnP from Painboyz and Cyborg body stack?
4.Anything other then a bike, that can save a warboss from S10 instant kills?

How would you build a warboss? It seems mega armour or bikes are the ways to go...

Does mega armor still grant slow and purposefull ?

I like the kanz panic rule. Make sence and it makes me laugh thinking of a grot still getting scared inside a garbage kan.

So how much does Ghaz cost, for something that has no invulnerable save apparently. Does he have any special rules at like all? Just continually allows Waagh?

Thanks again, mate. A couple of quick questions, if you've got the time and you aren't sick of being interrogated.

Do grot mobs still have to take a slaver for every ten models?

Can the mekboy be assigned to a unit of kans at the start of the game? Does he confer any benefits to a non-vehicle unit he joins?

Can battlewagons chosen as a transport take a killcannon?

Can you confirm that all of the following are heavy support choices: flash gitz, lootas, killa kans, deff dreds, gorka/morkanaut, battlewagon, big gunz?

Is Zogwort still in?

 Mr.Omega wrote:

 herpguy wrote:
Not to mention all warbosses are now chumps in combat due to not being able to get an invul.

Pfft, a Warboss will still wipe the floor with 90% of Space Marine Captain-alikes without EW and will still frighten MC's, especially now their S10 stomp is one attack. With cybork body you get some defence, and depending on the cost of lucky stixx they could make War bosses a real winner.

With bikerbosses now with only a 4+ save (and a 6+ FnP....) they will be killed very easily by anything. Warbosses aren't only for that very rare chance your warlord gets in a challenge with your enemy's. 99% of the time I found myself only being able to use the 5++ in combat with bikerbosses.

Toburk wrote:

NamelessBard wrote:

 herpguy wrote:
Wow so Ghaz lost his invul (except for once per game), and his special Waaagh that makes all units fearless and used to give a guaranteed 12" charge to everybody and he's still the SAME PRICE???? Wow this is such a disaster.

Uhhh, about that... you may have been cheating.

Thats what he did in the 5th edition ruleset. 100% chance to run 6" and then be allowed to 100% charge 6"


Personally, I love how the 6+ FNP rumour was actually true... It just replaces our 5++ cybork body!
Please don't tell me it costs 5 points.

It does, sorry.

MaRV wrote:Thank you for your patience and for sharing

1.Any changes to ammo runts, oilers, orderlies?
2.Are mek toolz still the same?
3.Do FnP from Painboyz and Cyborg body stack?
4.Anything other then a bike, that can save a warboss from S10 instant kills?

How would you build a warboss? It seems mega armour or bikes are the ways to go...

once per game, reroll to hit, to fix, fnp in that order for each type of grot.
5+ to fix, or 3+ for the relic version
Nope, each states a fixed value
Prayer.

My builds are currently all Freeboota themed, but probably arent competitive. (Mega armour, relic shoota, relic hat, relic stikk, git finda. 145 points, 2+ rerollable, 6 shots, 2 warlord traits, BS3 stationary). Relic Bike boss is good but is stuck with a 4+ save, not that nice.

Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:Does mega armor still grant slow and purposefull ?

I like the kanz panic rule. Make sence and it makes me laugh thinking of a grot still getting scared inside a garbage kan.

Yup, SnP

 Melcavuk wrote:
Kill bolt, 18 inch str 10 ap 2 beam? Love it.
Vomit: Str 7 AP2 template, love it.
Da Krunch: Str 2D6 Large Blast, if you roll a over 10 you hit everything twice at str 10. Love it.
Teleporting 30 strong mobs around the table. Love it.

Weird boyz taking up my precious HQ slots, not so loving it.

Bro,

Are painboyz more or less expensive than they were before, and do they confer 5+ FNP to the entire unit they join?

Ghazghull now sounds like hot garbage, you play Ghaz they play a baneblad or a C'Tan yeah that's fair.

Hollismason wrote:
Ghazghull now sounds like hot garbage, you play Ghaz they play a baneblad or a C'Tan yeah that's fair.

Yeah but your Ghaz has an amazing 6+ FNP now. Think about that.

Hollismason wrote:So how much does Ghaz cost, for something that has no invulnerable save apparently. Does he have any special rules at like all? Just continually allows Waagh?

Same cost, is eternal warrior. His warlord trait makes boyz within 12 inches fearless in a waaagh. Only one waaagh per game unless you are running a specific formation (which ghaz isnt in, so irrelevant sorry)

office_waaagh wrote:Thanks again, mate. A couple of quick questions, if you've got the time and you aren't sick of being interrogated.

Do grot mobs still have to take a slaver for every ten models?

Can the mekboy be assigned to a unit of kans at the start of the game? Does he confer any benefits to a non-vehicle unit he joins?

Can battlewagons chosen as a transport take a killcannon?

Can you confirm that all of the following are heavy support choices: flash gitz, lootas, killa kans, deff dreds, gorka/morkanaut, battlewagon, big gunz?

Yes, must every 10.

Infantry or Artillery only, no benefits other than being another special weapon really

Yes, but it drops their capacity to 12

Mek gunz (not big gunz ) but yes, all heavy supports, its a crowded slot.

Thud wrote:Is Zogwort still in?

Nope


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 TedNugent wrote:

 Melcavuk wrote:
Kill bolt, 18 inch str 10 ap 2 beam? Love it.
Vomit: Str 7 AP2 template, love it.
Da Krunch: Str 2D6 Large Blast, if you roll a over 10 you hit everything twice at str 10. Love it.
Teleporting 30 strong mobs around the table. Love it.

Weird boyz taking up my precious HQ slots, not so loving it.

Bro,

Are painboyz more or less expensive than they were before, and do they confer 5+ FNP to the entire unit they join?

50 Points, yes.

To reliably cast the WC 2 power we'll have to throw 4-6 dice off a unit that only generates 2 naturally. Can you elaborate on the mechanic that lets them get more war charges?

You mentioned they have to take a physic test or take a wound. Is that leadership on a 7? Do weirdboys still have 2 wounds each?

You also mentioned they got cheaper. What is their new price and upgrade cost?

Hollismason wrote:
Ghazghull now sounds like hot garbage, you play Ghaz they play a baneblad or a C'Tan yeah that's fair.

Well, you can say all LoW are garbage when compared to the C'Tan.


You don't get any negatives for using a LoW slot. Those escalation rules are not in the 7th ed rule book.