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Yeah, I ignored Mantic discussion on Dakka after the subforum split, I now just look at facebook more often (and I hate having to use facebook) since the official forums are largely dead due to people having to cache refresh/clear cookies and all brower settings to view it.

The thing is, the old forum worked because there's a lot of people that play more than one Mantic game once they get started, the minis are affordable and the games are very easy to get into so there's a lot of crossover.

I'f be in favour of a partial remerge - a Mantic header, split into a Fantasy game forum, and a Scifi game forum, much like the two threads here in N&R. That way the topics are still split for those who can't handle space dwarves mingling with their real dwarves, but maybe it makes it just a tiny bit easier to find and get involved in discussion.

In actual news, at GenCon Ronnie confirmed that KoW skirmish is officially a thing, and that it will be skipping KS entirely, going straight to retail with full book and mini support.

KoW skirmish? Awesome! Especially the skipping-kickstarter thing.
Any details?

That's the complete opposite of what i heard elsewhere about the same interview. Does anyone have a link to it?

"Dungeon Saga in Space" will be a Kickstarter, but KoW scirmish will go direct to retail according to Ronnies Interview with BoW at Gencon. I suspect that's what's causing a bit of confusion.

About 4 minutes in
http://www.beastsofwar.com/liveblogentry/the-mantic-report/

Direct youtube link
https://youtu.be/1aOkoRqTodA?t=4m

Yep, got mt games mixed up. Cheers!


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I'm wondering if the reason thr skirmish game is avoiding KS is because they're using the Starsteuck City rules Austin from Ironwatch has beeen developing for the past few years.

Upcoming models shown for the Naiad Sea Serpent Riders!

Courtesy of http://blog.untilsomebodylosesaneye.net/2016/08/unredacted.html

I do like seeing stuff released for the Trident realm. One of the two factions from uncharted empires not directly connected to a existing GW miniature line. These are the factions who need stuff the most as there isn't many clear alternatives.

[EDIT- I'm reminded the Serpent riders can of course be used in the Forces of nature list as well.]

Set to retail for $35 for a pack of three, which feels like a pricepoint I can live with. The'll be in metal, so I hope they have been careful in designing them with the weight in mind, or these models might fall apart all to easily.

I like that they can double as "not Necropolis Knights" in a pinch, considering that gap in the industry for the moment.

Why metal? Mantics metal is pants! This would be perfect for their new boardgame material.

They're not sure if they'll be doing them as metal currently.

How is the mouldline removal on the new boardgame plastic/resin compared to the earlier restic models?

If they can get compatible detail and less mouldline hassle I think it would be preferable to metal. Especially for large models like these.

If the new boardgame material is similar to the restic that say, the Mantic Werewolves are made of, I'd rather real with metal and the troubles that comes with that.

overtyrant wrote:
Why metal? Mantics metal is pants! This would be perfect for their new boardgame material.

Because, when another employee has the brilliant idea you need a way to torpedo it so that he doesn't look too successful in Ronnie's eyes.

"Fantasy Egyptians? Wow, Steve, that really taps the market. I know just how to help it along..."

"...Joyce, I want this cast in a metal so heavy it will sink even the most buoyant heart. I want minis so lifeless and dull they are only fit to pay Charon's toll."

Ironically the problem with Mantics metals isn't that they're heavy is that they're so soft and squishy

 Compel wrote:
Ironically the problem with Mantics metals isn't that they're heavy is that they're so soft and squishy

I fell in love with the phrase.

They also have a lot of flash for metal minis, at least the last time I bought any.

Edit: If Mantic is reading this then it really isn't fair for me to leave unspoken that metal is a medium of the past that appeals only to an ever shrinking segment of an already small market.

I realize that I am in the minority here, but I actually prefer the softer alloy that Mantic uses, because it is so much easier to drill-and-pin.

 NTRabbit wrote:
In actual news, at GenCon Ronnie confirmed that KoW skirmish is officially a thing, and that it will be skipping KS entirely, going straight to retail with full book and mini support.

That is awesome!!

Also, did those of you in the KoW Fanatics Facebook group see this posted earlier today? Ronnie is asking what folks would like to see for KoW in the next 12 - 18 months!

Ronnie Renton wrote:So, thinking of what cool things we should do with KOW in the next 12 months!
I have a few ideas (starting with historical in September and more new armies of course!!!) But I'm currently planning the next 18 months and i want to really do the things the community wants...so let me know...

Link here, although I think you need to be part of the group to see it and post. Well worth joining for KoW discussion if you haven't yet!
https://www.facebook.com/groups/403267653139331/permalink/887720574694034/

There's already a "skirmish" game for Kings of war. It's called the Star-struck City, and it is available for free. Go to the Kings of War forum on this site, and you will find it. It is a perfect combination of Kings of War and Mordheim. I have played more than a dozen games, and I really like it. The rules can also be purchased in a hardback book. I highly recommend it. Expansions are already in the works.

The name Star-struck City conjures up images of Elvis or The Beatles (or One Direction or whoever) landing there and all the local teenage girls going wild, rather than being the setting for a fantasy skirmish game.

Really? My first mental was Lovecraft. But then again my first image is alwasy Lovecraft....

I've read the rules for Star Struck City and they seem great. It really is a solid combo of Mordheim and KoW. Very well done.

I'd still prefer a deadzone-style skirmish game so I can trick my boardgame friends into playing. Skirmish games are the best for them due to the low model count.

Made me think of R&J, actually.

 Azazelx wrote:
Made me think of R&J, actually.

R&J? Romeo and Juliet? That would be a new twist on skirmish wargames. Hold off the rival warband and make sure your star-crossed lovers meet to win VPs.

 JoshInJapan wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
Made me think of R&J, actually.

R&J? Romeo and Juliet? That would be a new twist on skirmish wargames. Hold off the rival warband and make sure your star-crossed lovers meet to win VPs.

I imagine you could probably have a fairly decent narrative skirmish campaign focusing on the Montagues and Capulets. And it's not like a bunch of nerds yelling "do you bite your thumb at me, sir?" will be particularly different to normal.

I'm concerned that the fantasy skirmish/sci fi dungeon Saga games will be really lazy copy/paste jobs with only the fluff changed. Can't really see unique minis for the sci fi one now- I have a feeling the nice new Dead zone Infestation stuff will feature heavily.

When are the Nameless going to be better represented, that's what I want to know. There was a tantalising bit of fluff about them having this whole huge confederation beyond the stars,
then nothing

You could definitely include them in fantasy

 JoshInJapan wrote:
I realize that I am in the minority here, but I actually prefer the softer alloy that Mantic uses, because it is so much easier to drill-and-pin.

I am in the same small minority - I very much like their Centaurs, as an example. (I play neither Herd nor Forces of Nature - I use them for a Pathfinder game.)

I kind of suspect that Mantic may end up using those serpents as the basis for their EoD Serpent Surfers. (Excuse me... Wyrm Riders.... the Wipe Out theme song is purely coincidental....)

The Auld Grump

my take on the EoD, in case anyone wanted to see a warm scheme.

Those look great in a warm palette. Bronze definitely suits them.

Has there been a definite pre-order and/or release date for the historical supplement?

http://blog.untilsomebodylosesaneye.net/2016/08/sneaking-peek-into-past.html?fb_ref=Default

 judgedoug wrote:
http://blog.untilsomebodylosesaneye.net/2016/08/sneaking-peek-into-past.html?fb_ref=Default

Innnteresting... I may ask my group if they want to incorporate some of those rules changes into our regular KoW game. (Hills as Difficult Terrain and Cover(n) in particular.)

The Auld Grump

 TheAuldGrump wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
http://blog.untilsomebodylosesaneye.net/2016/08/sneaking-peek-into-past.html?fb_ref=Default

Innnteresting... I may ask my group if they want to incorporate some of those rules changes into our regular KoW game. (Hills as Difficult Terrain and Cover(n) in particular.)

The Auld Grump

Yeah I like those new special rules too and they should work well in KoW 2.0 too. Definitely gonna get the book but if it's as in demand as it sounds I may end up waiting for a reprint run. Is Mantic going the route of replacing magic items with upgrades? Like instead of buying a Jar of Winds for my archers I upgrade them to Veterans or whatever nomenclature is attached to the unit modifying stat. I hope the Roman list has access to a good amount of war machines, batteries of scorpions and ballistae that embraces the combined arms ability.