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In this test game, Jy2 busts out Be'Lakor and an FMC/Soulgrinder Daemon/CSM list against an insane Mash-up list Spam Adam pilots that consists of Eldar/Dark Eldar/Tau and a Revenant Titan! Under current 40K rules, all of this stuff is legal for "standard" games. Would you want to play games like this in a tournament or no?

Wow, that's broken. It's up to TO's to make a playable game now. Is there any counter to a superheavy other than another one?

Be'lakor seems like a good way to go for at least mutually assured destruction.

Absolutely crazy to see a Revenant flying around a 1750 battle.

Funny as can be but that was just brutal. Think how quick tournaments could be if you allow those in!

Yeah, this is clearly not the answer, for me. Hahaha, that game was actually really fun because we were laughing our asses off the entire time. But, it was not what I would call in any sense of the word fair.

But you could run 3-4 GT's in a single day at that rate!

I do think that this is a nice addition for the missions, etc. but D weapons are just crazy when talking about anything resembling "fair"...arms race indeed.

So, the lesson is to bring both a Revenant and someone with Puppet Master?

Gotcha!

There's actually a twist to this game, and that is.... (I'll put it in spoilers - go watch the report first)

Jy2 you are the man. Despite getting D'ed and D'ed hard you still managed to win.

BTW Triptides list was completely illegal anyways. So at worst it is a no contest. I also like the new list. I would like to see that list against something that doesn't kill 90% of it each turn.

Yeah, we made some mistakes and Jim did win due to the format of our BAO system. Fair point.

But I think the more important point to take away from this is that D Weapons need to be carefully considered before using them in normal games.

The point is....D weapons don't belong in normal games unless both players agree to bring titans to the game. Otherwise, it becomes rather quite lopsided.

There are people out there complaining about re-rollable 2++'s and how D-weapons will balance them out. Well, I can tell you that is a bad solution. You're trying to fix something broken with something that is even more broken, at least in normal games. That is what I call trying to solve a problem with an even bigger problem.

I definitely am strongly against running Titans in tournament play, where people really don't have a say on whether they want to or not face these units. It'll just suck the fun out of the game.




BTW, this was my list:


1750 Jy2's Soul of LoC-N-Load Daemons w/Be'Lakor

Primary:

Fateweaver - Forewarning, Warp Speed, Invisibility
Lord of Change - Lvl 3, 1x Exalted Gift, 1x Greater Gift - Grimoire, Re-roll Inv's, Forewarning, Misfortune, Flickering Fire

10x Pink Horrors
10x Pink Horrors

Soulgrinder - Slaanesh, Torrent
Soulgrinder - Slaanesh, Torrent

Allies:

Be'lakor

10x Cultists
10x Cultists

Heldrake



Adam's psychic powers for his farseer include: Guide, Prescience, Fortune

Well duh, Eldar killed everything because jy2 didn't take a C'tan with Transliminal Slide and Withering Hellstrom of D!

Gotta build your list right bro!

What? Demons don't have that? Uhm....... hey, at least you seize on a 5+!

Edited for correctness because Jy2 had to spoil my fun.

 Fxeni wrote:
Well duh, Eldar won because jy2 didn't take a C'tan with Transliminal Slide and Withering Hellstrom of D!

Gotta build your list right bro!

Actually, check out my spoiler above.





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 Fxeni wrote:
Well duh, Eldar killed everything because jy2 didn't take a C'tan with Transliminal Slide and Withering Hellstrom of D!

Gotta build your list right bro!

What? Demons don't have that? Uhm....... hey, at least you seize on a 5+!

Edited for correctness because Jy2 had to spoil my fun.

Yeah, his Titan killed everything alright....both on my and his army. LOL!!!


Oh Puppet Master....you may have just became the single greatest psychic power in the game.

 jy2 wrote:

 Fxeni wrote:
Well duh, Eldar won because jy2 didn't take a C'tan with Transliminal Slide and Withering Hellstrom of D!

Gotta build your list right bro!

Actually, check out my spoiler above.





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 Fxeni wrote:
Well duh, Eldar killed everything because jy2 didn't take a C'tan with Transliminal Slide and Withering Hellstrom of D!

Gotta build your list right bro!

What? Demons don't have that? Uhm....... hey, at least you seize on a 5+!

Edited for correctness because Jy2 had to spoil my fun.

Yeah, his Titan killed everything alright....both on my and his army. LOL!!!


Oh Puppet Master....you may have just became the single greatest psychic power in the game.

Bekalor - the most OP unit in the game! For only 350 points, he can nail your army with Str D. Broken!

Yeah, that was the only thing that made it even remotely a game!

That may have been one of my biggest upsets in the game ever....and we didn't even know it at the time!

 ansacs wrote:
Jy2 you are the man. Despite getting D'ed and D'ed hard you still managed to win.

BTW Triptides list was completely illegal anyways. So at worst it is a no contest. I also like the new list. I would like to see that list against something that doesn't kill 90% of it each turn.

I actually have a game coming up this Sunday with my Soul of LoC-N-Load daemons against an O'vesa-star Tau/Tau army:


1750 Jy2's Soul of LoC-N-Load Daemons w/Be'Lakor vs Commander_Farsight's O'Vesa-star Tau

But, we didn't play it though to completion, you might have gotten tabled! haha, the Turkey was the only thing you had left and the game did go another turn that we didn't play out as you conceded =)

 Reecius wrote:
But, we didn't play it though to completion, you might have gotten tabled! haha, the Turkey was the only thing you had left and the game did go another turn that we didn't play out as you conceded =)

Yeah, technically I conceded because we all thought it was all over. But I wouldn't have been tabled (he had no guns to take it down really) and I wouldn't have flown my birdie off the table.


Anyhow, it was an interesting game. I actually thought I had a chance to win, that is, if Be'Lakor came in just 1 turn earlier (or if I had won the roll to go first). If Be'lakor had come in on T2, it would have been sayonara Baron, Warlord and Hellions....eat 4 Prescienced D-blasts!

True, really all Adam had left was a single Broadside (with Tank Hunters) and the Titan so he had a chance but not a big chance.

 Reecius wrote:
True, really all Adam had left was a single Broadside (with Tank Hunters) and the Titan so he had a chance but not a big chance.

No, the broadside was already dead. Ate a D-blast on Turn 5 before Be'Lakor charged his titan.

Oh, I missed that, hahaha. Everyone was getting the D in that game! :p

Actually I think Jy2 had it in the bag. The titan couldn't hurt the turkey unless Jy2 dropped into hover or presented rear armour.

I look forward to that batrep. Much better showcase for the army.

I totally agree that allowing D weapons with no reservations into 40K is crazy. It can be mitigated by taking the new void shield fortifications to a tiny degree and interestingly enough some of the armies that struggled just hot a whole lot better. Vect based maximum dark lance spam and IG max DS melta+vendetta+MSU foot horde should hold up well to most of the common D weapon carriers.

I think you guys are right to ban D weapons from tournaments until and unless some sort of balance can be established.

Well... can't we have fun with 40k anymore? This was stupid. At least tell me that Stronghold Assault didn't suck.

 ansacs wrote:
Actually I think Jy2 had it in the bag. The titan couldn't hurt the turkey unless Jy2 dropped into hover or presented rear armour.

I look forward to that batrep. Much better showcase for the army.

I totally agree that allowing D weapons with no reservations into 40K is crazy. It can be mitigated by taking the new void shield fortifications to a tiny degree and interestingly enough some of the armies that struggled just hot a whole lot better. Vect based maximum dark lance spam and IG max DS melta+vendetta+MSU foot horde should hold up well to most of the common D weapon carriers.

I think you guys are right to ban D weapons from tournaments until and unless some sort of balance can be established.

If titans were to be commonplace in tournaments, the meta will have shifted once again. There will be 2 new top armies to battle against them - Necron flyer-spam and daemon FMC-spam.





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 Happygrunt wrote:
Well... can't we have fun with 40k anymore? This was stupid. At least tell me that Stronghold Assault didn't suck.

This report really reminded me about the Milk Challenge CronAir battle report. The game itself was so ridiculous that we all had a great laugh.

Haven't tried out or even seen the Stronghold Assault yet.

 jy2 wrote:






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 Happygrunt wrote:
Well... can't we have fun with 40k anymore? This was stupid. At least tell me that Stronghold Assault didn't suck.

This report really reminded me about the Milk Challenge CronAir battle report. The game itself was so ridiculous that we all had a great laugh.

Haven't tried out or even seen the Stronghold Assault yet.

Don't get me wrong, that game looked like a blast. But not very "rewarding" if that makes any sense. Neither play really got much out of the game besides a good laugh.

As much as every makes fun of "forging the narrative", I honestly think thats the best way to play. Two themed armies going toe-to-toe is a lot of fun to play and watch. Escalation seems like it is all about who can give the D harder (and who has the bigger wallet).

Really disappointing, I was hoping to field some of the IG super heavies as "center pieces" for my mech army. Like a macharius or a shadowsword (love those models). Won't be doing that now based on how badly these rules are written.

That's the point. Titans in regular games is really stupid and unfun....to the point that we could only laugh hard with incredulity. It's like watching a movie that is so bad that you just have to laugh at the sheer ludicrousness of it all.

Thank you for posting

 ansacs wrote:
Actually I think Jy2 had it in the bag. The titan couldn't hurt the turkey unless Jy2 dropped into hover or presented rear armour.

I look forward to that batrep. Much better showcase for the army.

I totally agree that allowing D weapons with no reservations into 40K is crazy. It can be mitigated by taking the new void shield fortifications to a tiny degree and interestingly enough some of the armies that struggled just hot a whole lot better. Vect based maximum dark lance spam and IG max DS melta+vendetta+MSU foot horde should hold up well to most of the common D weapon carriers.

I think you guys are right to ban D weapons from tournaments until and unless some sort of balance can be established.

Flyers will be key as they cannot be hit by D weapons.

I think that's an issue with D more than an issue with super heavies. The revenant in particular is off the charts insane. I don't know why they included that and not one of the eldar tanks, which are a lot more reasonable.

And how come the D weapons are all large blast?!? It's a laser. It should hit one thing very hard, not erase everything from a 10m circle.

I almost like this release. Thee are cool things. I'm a fan of the IG tanks (though I don't get how suddenly they can move 12" and fire everything) and even the shadow sword seems more or less ok for its cost. The stompa and lord of skulls are probably sort of ok too. It's really just the revenant and it's "remove that...and that" attacks that mess it up. Plus of course the 36" move, the 4+++ save and the stomp attack. Other than those few minor issues it's fine. Tau got a richly-deserved slap in the face with this release, with an almost totally pointless aircraft.

There are D weapons in stronghold assault as well.

Also, you cannot fire the super heavy walker at two different targets, only super heavy vehicles can according to the rules in the front of the escaltion book. Checked it last night as we also thought that titan would be the best. I am thinking that still or one of the guard tanks (volcano gun one).