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I want to gauge some feelings on rules, specifially on silly little things that upset you as a player, I know most of us have the same feelings on the big broken parts of the game but there are also lots of tiny easy to fix issues that get overlooked.

I will start with -

Assault Terminators not able to take a flamer.
Every other assault unit in the army can take a flamer and it makes perfect sense to give one to an assault termie squad but alas it is not allowed.

You?

There is no named Slaanesh greater Daemon, yet Khorne has Skarbrand, Nurgle has Ku'gath and Tzeentch has frreaking FATEWEAVER. Slaanesh? Screw you

Slaanesh has N'kari.

Fateweaver is a stupid upstart anyway. Where the hell has Amon'chakai got to?!

Random charge distance.

Not realistic at all, gives even more power to the gun than the sword which is bad for 40k as 40k is meant to be swords and shields in space with added guns imo..

Also aids in power unbalance within games.

Not my cup of tea.

If they wanted to change it, they should have changed it to 6" plus 2D6 then it would have been more balanced and less frustrating to play with as the charged unit would still be able to Overwatch giving both units good points to play with imo..

 happygolucky wrote:
Random charge distance.

Offsets pre-measuring though. We want pre-measuring we need random charge ranges to offset it all (that's also why the max charge range is further than a unit can normally move)

Doesn't mean assualt units didn't deserve a buff to make them more effective in this edition with all the anti-assault additions. It's a LOT harder to get stuck in these days.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 happygolucky wrote:
Random charge distance.

Offsets pre-measuring though. We want pre-measuring we need random charge ranges to offset it all (that's also why the max charge range is further than a unit can normally move)

Doesn't mean assualt units didn't deserve a buff to make them more effective in this edition with all the anti-assault additions. It's a LOT harder to get stuck in these days.

Then take pre-measuring out? I really do not mind pre-measuring as I was quite accurate without it back in 5th so I honestly could not care less of it was taken out imo.

 happygolucky wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 happygolucky wrote:
Random charge distance.

Offsets pre-measuring though. We want pre-measuring we need random charge ranges to offset it all (that's also why the max charge range is further than a unit can normally move)

Doesn't mean assualt units didn't deserve a buff to make them more effective in this edition with all the anti-assault additions. It's a LOT harder to get stuck in these days.

Then take pre-measuring out? I really do not mind pre-measuring as I was quite accurate without it back in 5th so I honestly could not care less of it was taken out imo.

Right, but then you raise the learning curve for newer players.

Also I recall a lot of people saying they wanted pre-measuring prior to this edition with statements about how they already do it in Fantasy and so on, so you're likely on the losing side of that argument.

I will say that being able to measure before shooting is nice because you can really choose what units you want to shoot at much easier than before.

Pre measuring took some skill out of the game for sure, but it's added to the game and made it more even.

What grinds my gears? True line of bloody sight, blimey I hate it and all the crap it's brought to the game

Well it doesn't grind my gears but there are some strange rules out there:

Imperial Knights being able to stomp attack units over half its' size - even the Wraithknight which is higher can bestomped upon.

Walkers don't get the Hammer of Wrath rule: Eldar Wraithlords and Wraithknights have the rule but Dreadnoughts, Helbrutes and Killa Kans don't - they valse into combat, shake hands and then throw the gloves.

Big tough Obliterators having only Strength and Toughness 4.

Background curiosities:

Mortals being able to slay an Avatar in close combat.

Tyranid creatures being able to develop faster and beyond diseases and viruses than Gods and daemons can develop them even though they don't need the same kind of physical research.

Guardsmen being able to down a Helbrute by overheating their lasgun clip.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 happygolucky wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 happygolucky wrote:
Random charge distance.

Offsets pre-measuring though. We want pre-measuring we need random charge ranges to offset it all (that's also why the max charge range is further than a unit can normally move)

Doesn't mean assualt units didn't deserve a buff to make them more effective in this edition with all the anti-assault additions. It's a LOT harder to get stuck in these days.

Then take pre-measuring out? I really do not mind pre-measuring as I was quite accurate without it back in 5th so I honestly could not care less of it was taken out imo.

Right, but then you raise the learning curve for newer players.

And? new players played under 5th and harder editions beforehand and they dealt with it fine.

Its all part of player skill, without pre-measuring you could call bluffs to your opponent to which they may or may not have taken so to say, improving player skill as they more games they had the better they could pre-judge distances from.

 Formosa wrote:
Pre measuring took some skill out of the game for sure, but it's added to the game and made it more even.

What grinds my gears? True line of bloody sight, blimey I hate it and all the crap it's brought to the game

I prefer TLoS over terrain and things forming invisible barriers infinitely tall though....

I'd really prefer a mix of the two where it matters more if you can draw an straight line from one model to the target without looking down their gun barrels or from their perspective and then hand out cover saves based on what's in the way.


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 happygolucky wrote:
And? new players played under 5th and harder editions beforehand and they dealt with it fine.

Its all part of player skill, without pre-measuring you could call bluffs to your opponent to which they may or may not have taken so to say, improving player skill as they more games they had the better they could pre-judge distances from.

Well those new players are a part of that crowd who wanted pre-measuring (especially since it's a sci-fi game and a lot of factions have equipment like range finders standard). Their vote won this edition.

I like shooting edition. It annoyed me no end when my careful tactics and big guns were basically invalidated by some savage with a pointy stick.

 ClockworkZion wrote:


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 happygolucky wrote:
And? new players played under 5th and harder editions beforehand and they dealt with it fine.

Its all part of player skill, without pre-measuring you could call bluffs to your opponent to which they may or may not have taken so to say, improving player skill as they more games they had the better they could pre-judge distances from.

Well those new players are a part of that crowd who wanted pre-measuring (especially since it's a sci-fi game and a lot of factions have equipment like range finders standard). Their vote won this edition.

I personally do not see why we could have had both.

It's not like you can't house rule to not pre-measure where ever you play, but it's a core rule that has a fair amount of logic behind it (compared to most things GW does).

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 ClockworkZion wrote:
It's not like you can't house rule to not pre-measure where ever you play, but it's a core rule that has a fair amount of logic behind it (compared to most things GW does).

Problem is that people like to win the easiest way possible so I think a pre-measuring ban is off the cards, nor a 6" + 2D6 inclusion be welcomed as well either.

 happygolucky wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
It's not like you can't house rule to not pre-measure where ever you play, but it's a core rule that has a fair amount of logic behind it (compared to most things GW does).

Problem is that people like to win the easiest way possible so I think a pre-measuring ban is off the cards, nor a 6" + 2D6 inclusion be welcomed as well either.

Nids, Dark Eldar and BA armies would like the latter, as for the former, yeah, good luck.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 happygolucky wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
It's not like you can't house rule to not pre-measure where ever you play, but it's a core rule that has a fair amount of logic behind it (compared to most things GW does).

Problem is that people like to win the easiest way possible so I think a pre-measuring ban is off the cards, nor a 6" + 2D6 inclusion be welcomed as well either.

Nids, Dark Eldar and BA armies would like the latter, as for the former, yeah, good luck.

Shame there is no DE, BA or bug armies here

I forgot about Orks! They'd like it too.

That my bastard poorly painted army is the bastard best looking army I've ever seen on the bastard table top, by far.

That bastard Necrons are only bastard BS4, they are bastard robots with bastard light based weapons. Unless their bastard target can move faster than the bastard speed of light, they should have perfect bastard aim.

That half the bastard factions in the bastard game are bastard space marines.

That bastard Know No Fear didn't describe the bastard explosion of that bastard star. A bastard great opportunity for some bastard grim darkness completely bastard wasted.

That jumppack Wolf Guard can not join Skyclaw packs.

That Honor Guard squads cannot take bikes.

That Assault Marines cost so darned much.

That C:IG will be renamed to Astra Militarum. feth you, GW. feth you.

Dataslates. Why charge people for these? Why not make them free and give players more incentive to buy your crap?

Blood Angels. I really don't like Blood Angels.

Grenade Launchers. Cool sounding weapons, crap effects.

The fact that Assault Marines can't take Meltaguns.

How expensive the Stormraven is.

Painting.

 Blackhair Duckshape wrote:
That my bastard poorly painted army is the bastard best looking army I've ever seen on the bastard table top, by far.

That bastard Necrons are only bastard BS4, they are bastard robots with bastard light based weapons. Unless their bastard target can move faster than the bastard speed of light, they should have perfect bastard aim.

That half the bastard factions in the bastard game are bastard space marines.

That bastard Know No Fear didn't describe the bastard explosion of that bastard star. A bastard great opportunity for some bastard grim darkness completely bastard wasted.

Awaiting mod to edit post

Another thing that grinds my gears is that the Necron warrior statline is a C+P job of s SM stat with very few changes made. Seriously you expect me to think that a Warrior can block an Ultramarines attack with WS4 when your supposedly one of the slowest forces out there with I: 2 so therefore the Ultramarine can strike faster than you?

Int, and WS need to be linked together to fit background purposes imo..

Also MSS... never get me started on those feckin MSS..

 TheCustomLime wrote:
That Honor Guard squads cannot take bikes.


Dataslates. Why charge people for these? Why not make them free and give players more incentive to buy your crap?

You know, if the Tyranid data slates were free, I would have probably bought the list in Tyranid Risning III, the formation within formation. Yes we can't play it in a normal game, but would have made one just to be put in my cabinet. But for what ever reason, I can't do it, if I have to buy a book that I can't use. Weird. I guess if GW can't be bothered to give out a free $17 or $51 book for free, I can't be bothered to spend the few thousand dollars in a year to buy all that. It does go both ways. I shouldn't have to be the one that gives gives gives all the time. So some loyalty GW.

I guess if it was not for GW Customer Support, I would have quit the hobby ages ago. It's GW CS that keeps me interested in the game. Weird I know.

that the tyranid dataslates weren't in the codex.

That CSM still have the basic "slightly spikey marine" kit running around for all their stuff. I want cool looking CSM already, not guys who glued spikes to their armor!

That Tzeench magic sucks.
Chaos has fewer options with their vehicles than the loyalists even though they're supposed to be more free to do as they please.
Sucky units that suck because they so obviously suck.
The rules for the Defiler and how dyslexic it is.
Mutilators
Warp Talons
Repentia
Penitent Engines
1Ksons
Khorne bezerkers

Wave serpents... nuff said.

 Formosa wrote:
Pre measuring took some skill out of the game for sure, but it's added to the game and made it more even.

The issue with not allowing pre-measuring was that it was needlessly complicated, with too many ways to get around it.

The issue with random charge distance isn't that it's random... just that it's too random. A smaller field of possible results, it wouldn't be so bad.

What grinds my gears? True line of bloody sight, blimey I hate it and all the crap it's brought to the game

'Brought to...'?

It was always in the game.

 happygolucky wrote:
Random charge distance..

It bothers me that charge distance is random when shooting distance is not.