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If you aren't a Tyranid player, you probably have heard of the current 6th edition Tyranid Codex and that it was not exactly what we Tyranid players really wanted. It is probably not as bad as you have heard, but still it is bad.

If you are a Tyranid player, well I hope you like my own fan made version .

I attached a version of the 6th edition codex made with some alterations and a few special rules. This "codex" is only rules, there is no fluff yet (and TBH I will probably copy paste 99.99% of the already existent fluff).

Please tell me if you liked it or you hated it and why. Or if you have any suggestions, or if you have any doubts about the wording (English is not my native tongue), or if you will like to either play it or play against it.
And tell me if you found something particularly overpowered, cheesy (especially the Doom of Malan’tai, that guy is IMO impossible to make uncheesy) or underpowered.

Also, the Parasite isn't there yet, sorry for that but I have no idea how to write him/her/it.

Megabyte sized?

Already this is more than your average fandex!

I'll give it a thorough review tomorrow but I'm seeing promising things from my skim over.

Ive read through the whole codex and its a mixture between a dream come true and borderline over powered on a lot of units.

Some of the ideas like the grapple, different Pyrovore shots and new stat lines are amazing and in my opinion how they should be, more realistic and realistic.

The new Broodlord should not have a Sv 3+ given its amazing statline, with the Protective Carapace altered form this will change to a Sv 2+ and thats just insane.

Saying that some of the ideas are far too strong, the mawloc with ap 1 weapons is too much i think and the hive guard should be back to Sv 4+ if its up to 3 wounds.

Deathleapers "killing strike" makes it very strong and a very viable assassin.

Tyrannofex new weapons are awesome as is the new harpy rule, but the hive crone should not have that extra wepon under any circumstances.

You've done the impossible and made Old One Eye a good unit! What he should have been in the current codex imo, he looks amazing now i must admit but should at least be 300 points for T7 Sv 2+.

The Doom of Malan'Tai is just plain obscene but i love it so we'll let that one slide aha.

New Trygon Prime invulnerable save is a very interesting and clever idea i must say.

The Swarmlord is now a complete and utter murder machine. With 2-3 warlord traits, 2+ Sv and Xeno Crystals its just too strong to justify no matter the points. Bring it to 3+ or drop the magic crystals i think (So much win though, i love him as you made him). The bonesword special rule is too strong, ID on 5+ is just far too strong i think.

Yay back to re rolling ones with Scything Talons, you're doing gods work my son.

Tail biomorphs i completely agree with, especially the Bone Mace.

WARP FIELD is far too strong i think, although i love it. :(
I do like the new names for Psychic powers though

Over all you have done a simply amazing job and its exactly what the tyranid codex should have been like. It is a little over powered in places, some models have improved stats that they just shouldnt get but things can be tweaked. It does suck being a bug player at the moment but who knows, maybe people would let us us this new codex update. I can understand the changes to a lot of things and i have fallen in love with the possibilities from this.

Once again, a fabulous job my friend!

Massively tone down the Swarmlord or give him two types of bone sabres one as an upgrade.

That 3 result on Adaptation. I don't think 2 warp charge points is enough for a 2+/3++. Could you imagine an army of Flying Tyrants with that save?

I do love what you did with the rest. Serpentine Creature is a good idea and the Tunneling leader is different. LOVE the options warriors have and the primes are worth investing in. Even if my venom cannon isn't blast anymore(grrr)

All in all, I would play this.

You'd see me dumping a ton of points in an underground assault army.

Erm, the Swarmlord IDs on any successful to wound role ATM.

And the Swarmlord isn't too out of place in a game of Seerstars and Uber-daemons.

Or where Horus Luprecal can be taken as a Lord of War.

I wouldn't mind the Swarmlord being taken from the regular HQs and made into an outright Lord of War though. He has no place in any but the biggest games anyway.

As I have said before, the best way to balance is to balance according to the strongest.

So this book should be balanced with Taudar, Astra Marines, or Daemons in mind rather than hope for an average.

The Swarmlord being able to beat just about anything in assault is also rather meaningless if he can't really get there due to being as slow as he is anyway.

Ok... the changes for the next version:

I'm going to remove the Warp Barrier mode for the Warp Shield. But the other 2 modes will stay.

Hive Crone's Bio-Plasmic gun is also going to be removed, but the Crone is going to be able to take Bio Plasma instead for free. Also Bio-plasma is going to gain a streams mode, either assault 3 or 2 (I'm not sure yet), but I want the Crone to be able to spit plasma at other flyers.

Broodlords and Hive Guards are going to lose the 3+ armour save, back to 4+.

And I forgot to add the Bio-Plasma option to for the Carnifexes. They will cost 10 pts.

Dual Boneswords are going to be increased to 15 pts

Old One is going to be increased to 300 pts.

Swarmlord is going to be increased to 325 pts.

No changes for the Doom of Malant'ai yet, but the changes to Warp Field should help.

New version with the changes should be up this night in 4-5 hours.

 Kain wrote:
Erm, the Swarmlord IDs on any successful to wound role ATM.

Bone sabres, at the moment, do not have ap1 and reroll all successful saves. I think, keep one and make the other mutated or improved bone sabres.
He's insane. He will destroy anything in melee with the stat line there.


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To add, with a Master Level 3, you might as well go for Onslaught. Run and Assault would help get him into combat turn 2.


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 Tyran wrote:

Swarmlord is going to be increased to 325 pts.

I'd actually go down in points, make him 285(his normal points) with the option to mutate his bone sabres for 20 points. (Keep his base weapon with the option to get your upgrades)

He was over costed in our book, you just brought him into a playable spectrum by adding Eternal Warrior and 2+ armor. I'd honestly go for all three powers in Adaptation; cast Catalyst Onslaught and Warp Field on him every turn to have a 2+\3++, Feel No Pain, Run and Charge Monster.

New version is up.

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 Tyran wrote:

Swarmlord is going to be increased to 325 pts.

I'd actually go down in points, make him 285(his normal points) with the option to mutate his bone sabres for 20 points. (Keep his base weapon with the option to get your upgrades)

He was over costed in our book, you just brought him into a playable spectrum by adding Eternal Warrior and 2+ armor. I'd honestly go for all three powers in Adaptation; cast Catalyst Onslaught and Warp Field on him every turn to have a 2+\3++, Feel No Pain, Run and Charge Monster.

I made him 295pts with the option to buy Xeno Crystals for 20 pts, 285 doesn't feels fair after all the bonuses I gave him.

I didn't have time to look through it in detail and compare everyhting to the current codex but mostly I like what I see. Two things though that I don't like: first, that the tervigon now can spawn termagants without dubles stopping it is in my opinion way to good since you can just hide behind a wall for 5 turns and hope the enemy doesn't have barrage and get about 50 gants. The other thing that helps this is that tyrant guard can now join tervigons so you could grab two or three while tou are taking a flyrant, stick them to the tervigon and march up the table with a 15 wound T6 unit that spawns around 10 gaunts a turn. There's, probably more to comment but I don't have the time. The serpentine body id awsome though and something I've been hoping GW eould have included.

 Dantioch wrote:
I didn't have time to look through it in detail and compare everyhting to the current codex but mostly I like what I see. Two things though that I don't like: first, that the tervigon now can spawn termagants without dubles stopping it is in my opinion way to good since you can just hide behind a wall for 5 turns and hope the enemy doesn't have barrage and get about 50 gants. The other thing that helps this is that tyrant guard can now join tervigons so you could grab two or three while tou are taking a flyrant, stick them to the tervigon and march up the table with a 15 wound T6 unit that spawns around 10 gaunts a turn. There's, probably more to comment but I don't have the time. The serpentine body id awsome though and something I've been hoping GW eould have included.

Ok, I'm going to consider changing it.
Although the Tervigon needs a Termagant unit within 6" to spam, so you can stop spamming if you kill all the gants near it.

 Dantioch wrote:
I didn't have time to look through it in detail and compare everyhting to the current codex but mostly I like what I see. Two things though that I don't like: first, that the tervigon now can spawn termagants without dubles stopping it is in my opinion way to good since you can just hide behind a wall for 5 turns and hope the enemy doesn't have barrage and get about 50 gants. The other thing that helps this is that tyrant guard can now join tervigons so you could grab two or three while tou are taking a flyrant, stick them to the tervigon and march up the table with a 15 wound T6 unit that spawns around 10 gaunts a turn. There's, probably more to comment but I don't have the time. The serpentine body id awsome though and something I've been hoping GW eould have included.

Ok, here is the idea, Tervigons now only spawn 2D6 termagants, but on a double they spawn an additional D6 and take a wound.
The models spawned are added to an unit within 6" and they gain the same biomorphs as the unit they are joining, note that I mean biomorphs like Toxin Sacs and Adrenal Glands, not weapons.
Maybe I should give them the option to give their spawned Termagants either Fleshborers, Spinefists or Spike Rifles, as those weapons have the same cost and similar performances.

New version should be up in a few hours.

EDIT: new version is up.

New version is up, updated for 7th Edition.

Most MC received a price discount to make up for the nerf to Smash.

Changes to Zoanthropes, Doom of Malan'tai, some Psychic powers, and SitW.

VC and HVC have been buffed.

Changes to Swarmlord.

Tervigon's spawn Termagants reverted to original for simplicity sake.

Adrenal Glands are now cheaper to Trygons, Trygons Primes and Tyranid Primes.

Also some fixes.

Dear lord the doom would be insane, pop him in a pod and leech life turn one wounding most models on 2s AP 2 ignores cover.
Not to mention 2+ armor or 3++ with warp field, up to ML 10 and more along with that.

Even at 300 points I fail to see how he's balanced especially with T5 before possible iron arm.

Overall though I like the codex, not perfect but a better take on the bugs that most, I look forward to reading this in more detail.

 Gavik Dross wrote:
Dear lord the doom would be insane, pop him in a pod and leech life turn one wounding most models on 2s AP 2 ignores cover.
Not to mention 2+ armor or 3++ with warp field, up to ML 10 and more along with that.

Even at 300 points I fail to see how he's balanced especially with T5 before possible iron arm.

Overall though I like the codex, not perfect but a better take on the bugs that most, I look forward to reading this in more detail.

I have a lot of problems with that guy. In one hand once it gets some wounds it becomes insane, on the other hand, if it fails cause some wounds it becomes a dead weight of 300 pts so you see why I am reluctant to increase its cost.

I'm not certain it's the points that need a change, he just has too much stuff IMO. Between super killy spells, snowballing all his stats,awesome defenses , you can't even tie him up as he can cast while in CC.

mmh,. ok I will see what I can change



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Ok, the Doom of Malan'tai's unique powers have been nerfed.
And it can't cast witchfires in CC anymore, but its CC abilities have been slightly improved.

I'd say leave the Nid hate at the door for the time being. We already know that SM and Tyranids get a new codex every edition. Just 1 year or so of this with the way the schedule's going.

Ok, been reading through it and I'm gonna post my thoughts as I can, overall I like it, defiantly needs some play testing and what-not but that's the whole point of this affair.

Note; Before reading this that I do not play nids, nor am I particularly competitive, just giving my two cents in for what they're worth.

Color Scheme and their meaning

Special Rules;

Warlord Table:

Psychic Powers:

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It's a fun read, I plan on going through the rest of it when I can, hope the feedback helps.

Thanks for the feedback, it always helps

Ok, about Feeder Organism, it is there to represent the collecting of biomass, I know it is somewhat complicated, but I'm going to keep it because fluff.

Synapse, well, the reason I don't say fearless is because Fearless comes with some fallbacks that don't make sense on Tyranids, like being unable to go to ground.

About Shadow in the warp, maybe it is going to be a modifier to Deny the Witch rolls instead.

I'm going to see what I can do with the warlord traits, but Mind Eater seems fine, Daemons already have access to that. Also with the changes to 7th edition the challenger can be targeted by models outside the challenge.

Also, being able to assault after running is something Tyranid players dream since 6th edition, so the change to Onslaught is staying, it is needed specially in the heavily shooting edition of 7th edition. I'm rather going to change the rules to Hormagaunst, they only can apply the +3 to running or charging, not both in the same turn.


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 Deadshot wrote:
I'd say leave the Nid hate at the door for the time being. We already know that SM and Tyranids get a new codex every edition. Just 1 year or so of this with the way the schedule's going.

I'm not sure what you want to say with that.


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New version with the changes is up.

New version is up. The most notorious change is that the Swarmlord is now Lord of War

 Tyran wrote:
Thanks for the feedback, it always helps

Ok, about Feeder Organism, it is there to represent the collecting of biomass, I know it is somewhat complicated, but I'm going to keep it because fluff.

Synapse, well, the reason I don't say fearless is because Fearless comes with some fallbacks that don't make sense on Tyranids, like being unable to go to ground.

About Shadow in the warp, maybe it is going to be a modifier to Deny the Witch rolls instead.

I'm going to see what I can do with the warlord traits, but Mind Eater seems fine, Daemons already have access to that. Also with the changes to 7th edition the challenger can be targeted by models outside the challenge.

Also, being able to assault after running is something Tyranid players dream since 6th edition, so the change to Onslaught is staying, it is needed specially in the heavily shooting edition of 7th edition. I'm rather going to change the rules to Hormagaunst, they only can apply the +3 to running or charging, not both in the same turn.


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 Deadshot wrote:
I'd say leave the Nid hate at the door for the time being. We already know that SM and Tyranids get a new codex every edition. Just 1 year or so of this with the way the schedule's going.

I'm not sure what you want to say with that.


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New version with the changes is up.

I'm saying leave the Nid hate at the door. At the time I made that post it was clear the release schedule was accelerating. Afterall, codexes every other month, new edition 2 years early. Nid Codex is usually updated every 2-3 years for each edition, so with the new edition being released in half the time its likely they'll be updated by the end of 2015. With the new release schedule yet again they'll definitely be updated by 2015.

 Deadshot wrote:



I'm saying leave the Nid hate at the door. At the time I made that post it was clear the release schedule was accelerating. Afterall, codexes every other month, new edition 2 years early. Nid Codex is usually updated every 2-3 years for each edition, so with the new edition being released in half the time its likely they'll be updated by the end of 2015. With the new release schedule yet again they'll definitely be updated by 2015.

We will see, still I don't have many hope on GW on this moment.