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Kickstarter page: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ericsexton/war-prime-tabletop-miniatures
Official website: http://www.kingmakergames.com/war-prime/
BOLS announcement: http://www.gamewire.belloflostsouls.net/kingmaker-games-introduces-new-miniatures-game-war-prime/
Kingmaker Games Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/Kingmakergames
Interested in testing? Contact nate@kingmakergames.com.

Disclaimer: Yes, I am a developer on this project, yes, this is a self-plug. Now that we've gotten that out of the way this is an entirely new 28mm platoon-scale wargame in an original science fiction universe; if you're interested in buying into a game that has free rules updated live, miniatures sold as inexpensively as we can possibly make them, and a development team that takes game balance and audience feedback seriously you should keep an eye out for our Kickstarter launch.

EDIT: Unwarranted digs at the competition removed.

I didn't spend $150 on my rulebooks.

I welcome your posts, but taking a very clear shot at another company in the first post of your thread may not be the best way to go.

From the little fluff & images of the few models so far, looks good.

I have signed up to be kept informed.

Looking forward to seeing what the different factions will look like.

 cincydooley wrote:
I didn't spend $150 on my rulebooks.

I welcome your posts, but taking a very clear shot at another company in the first post of your thread may not be the best way to go.

Point taken, post edited accordingly.

I'd like to know, and see, more.

Any pictures of models?

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
I didn't spend $150 on my rulebooks.

I welcome your posts, but taking a very clear shot at another company in the first post of your thread may not be the best way to go.

Point taken, post edited accordingly.

Reads much better now

I'm interested to see more designs. I'm hoping the renders we see have some diff helmet options because I can't help but see Kassadin from LoL in the present helmet and I hate that guy

Hi, I tried emailing you last week, but haven't heard back from you, so I'll try asking here:

What will these miniatures be made of? High Impact Polystyrene, ABS, or some other material?

EDIT: Comments no longer relevant.

Also, double threads at the top of the list confused me more than it should have.

Pictures of our prototypes and concept art that's going to turn into more miniatures/more armies are going up on the Facebook page now linked to in the first post. Alex, working on getting you that answer; Cincydooley, alternate helmets are on our list of stretch goals.

If you do go for HIPS plastic and outsource... please allow for sufficient lead time in your delivery dates. Be pessimistic. Then add a little bit more.

*yawn* generic space fantasy miniatures game. Don't get me wrong, it looks cool and it sounds like it might have an interesting backstory, but at this point it just seems like a re-hash of some very common industry tropes, and very much targeted at capturing the flavor and appeal of a certain other game (my guess is the one that you previously bashed in your original post) and trying to basically piggy back off of them and their dissatisfied customer base. While I don't fault you for it, I will say that at this point you're going to have to try harder to get my money, and I think the same goes for many others. You're entering a very crowded marketplace right now, I don't think competition has ever been more intense either, and money is a very finite resource (for most of us).

Nice Malazan shout out!

Also - I want pics here!

In no particular order:

Might also want to change your Avatar pic!

Anyway interesting stuff, I'll look forward to seeing more.

That Mech is a close copy of the Battletech Vulture!

I think chaos0xomega has it right, this seems to be rather generic. What is the differentiator?

chaos0xomega wrote:
*yawn* generic space fantasy miniatures game. Don't get me wrong, it looks cool and it sounds like it might have an interesting backstory, but at this point it just seems like a re-hash of some very common industry tropes, and very much targeted at capturing the flavor and appeal of a certain other game (my guess is the one that you previously bashed in your original post) and trying to basically piggy back off of them and their dissatisfied customer base. While I don't fault you for it, I will say that at this point you're going to have to try harder to get my money, and I think the same goes for many others. You're entering a very crowded marketplace right now, I don't think competition has ever been more intense either, and money is a very finite resource (for most of us).

Of this I have no doubt at all. We're not asking you to throw your money blindly at yet another generic space-fantasy miniatures game, we're not expecting to immediately convert fanatical devotees with our initial announcement. We think we can distinguish ourselves through well-crafted rules updated frequently to account for errors, subverting and messing with common industry tropes (e.g. if we were to include space elves, would our space elves have to behave exactly like everyone else's space elves?), and low-cost miniatures to keep the barrier to entry small; I understand and respect your skepticism, which is why we're planning on allowing players to look through all the rules without needing to commit any money.

I wish you luck, and look forwars to seeing progress.

If anyone is interested we are also looking for more early-stage playtesters to help ensure the rules are in top form before release; contact nate@kingmakergames.com with some variant of the word "playtest" in the subject line if you're interested and we'll get you the materials.

Alpharius- Hmm, those physical models don't seem to look nearly as good as the render (shown in the OP of the previous thread). Will copy the posts containing pics from the prior thread below.

Edit: Ah, those are just painted 3d prints, I think... hopefully not indicative of intended detail level.

 Absolutionis wrote:
Information on site: http://www.kingmakergames.com/war-prime/

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
Sword dude's pretty cool, but to be honest I don't need more Space Marines...

However, if someone would finally make great looking counts-as Sisters I'd buy them by the handful.

Sword dude's pretty cool, but to be honest I need more Space Marines!!!

I like them, will keep an eye on this

Those marines look interesting

 agnosto wrote:
So, basically two video game designers are making a not-40k miniature game....color me interested. Is it odd that I find it amusing that the lead guy worked for Blizzard? (Though it's a shame he didn't work on starcraft).

And...3d print:


And a painted 3d print:

One of your team member's name isn't Tony Reidy, by any chance?

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
One of your team member's name isn't Tony Reidy, by any chance?

Oh God, please say no, please say no!

Ick, I hope he's not involved, though I imagine it'd say if he was on their site's team page.

Quite a few video game people involved on this. Several of whom were designers for Borderlands. That got my attention.

I know you guys aren't trying to go generic sci-fi, but I have absolutely no problem with that. Cheap sci-fi stuff that looks cool is always welcome on my table. So far, I'm interested in backing this project. I believe it'll be coming around the end of the month, yes?

I hope that the production version is better than the printed one.
Love the design though

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
One of your team member's name isn't Tony Reidy, by any chance?

What leads you to ask that?

 Alpharius wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
One of your team member's name isn't Tony Reidy, by any chance?

What leads you to ask that?

Tony kept going on and on about his mission statement being that you had to be able to make your army cheap. Plastic, but cheap.

Plus a 3D printed master painted up, that's also a Defiance tactic.

I'd rather get confirmation early on and look a little paranoid than hugely disappointed later on.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

Plus a 3D printed master painted up, that's also a Defiance tactic.

While I don't think 3D printers are the miracle machines a lot of people seem to, I think 3D printed masters painted up is a pretty common thing with any sort of prototype models. It's just a general proof of concept thing and I wouldn't tie that to Defiance or any of Reidy's torpedoed projects.

Would be cool to see some rules without having to sign up as a playtester.

As is, my 40k-replacement is Warpath, but while those rules are solid they're hardly deep. If you can go that one further, capture some of the intensity of games like Infinity but at a larger scale, you'll have my interest.

The 3d printed models are prototypes only; the production models are going to be injection molded.

If you don't want to sign up as a playtester you'll get access to a better-polished version of the rules later but you'll still get access to them.

I don't intend any offense, but you are promising quite a lot when you state you want to produce your line in hard plastic, for which start up costs are high, and to sell the figures at a very low cost. Particularly since, so far as I am aware, you haven't published a miniature war game before, and your company appears to be a young start-up.

None of which means that you aren't genuine or can't pull it off - everyone has to start somewhere, and there aren't any leaders in the market today who didn't go through their "dreaming big in a small apartment while living on ramen and peanut butter" phase first. But do you already have arrangements with a factory to produce these plastic miniatures, and if so, do you have any examples of other work they've done to give you confidence in their ability to do quality casting? Do you have realistic estimations of the actual production costs of what you're attempting? How much logistical preparation and research has gone into this enterprise so far, and how many production practicalities are being left unaddressed, to be worked out after you're funded?

To be blunt, why should I invest in your KS campaign and trust you to deliver what you promise?

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Cincydooley, alternate helmets are on our list of stretch goals.

On that subject, assuming the crested aliens are otherwise human-shaped, would you consider adding alternate heads for humans wearing the same armour? In-universe it would allow for a more cosmopolitan faction if you're interested in that, but it would also let you sell the same sprues to fans of two different concepts - a "rubber forehead alien" army or an army of sci-fi women.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Also, Mathieu we're unsure who Tony Reidy is but we support his assertions entirely.

Long story short, Tony was the millstone around Wargames Factory's neck. Big on promises, small on results.

Great to see another game with men in power armour and big things on legs with guns for arms........