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Dave_Nz wrote:SWORMLORRRRDDD!!!

Power to the nids!

This. About time someone threw Old One Eye back onto the reserve bench and sent up our WS9, S/T6, W5, 4++, ID, forcing-you-to-reroll-your-invulnerable-saves alpha bug. With fluff that makes him come back for rematches more reliably than a Necron. And his choice of FC or PE.

Oh, and Draigo? We'll see your Storm Bolter, and in return give you WS/BS1 and the occasional headexplodey. Like killing daemons? Assuming you don't have an Immune To Perils rule, you'll have one in your head every other time you try to cast.

In terms of actual performance... I would guess smoking.

Think about how many Imperial Guardsman, PDF, and random Imperial scrubs smoke lho-sticks... tens of billions? hundreds of billions?

In M40, grimdark cigs have to cause lung cancer in at least 20% of longtime smokers. You think that some punk like Draigo can touch those numbers?

You know that the Imperium isn't paying to cure cancer in guardsmen. Lung cancer is srs bsns.

Vect will roll 1's and Draigo will roll 2's hence they annihilate each other because neither one makes their invuls.

Riddick40k wrote:Lelith would make short work of Draigo, she would have 7 attacks on Draigo that hits on 3s, Draigo would only have 3 attacks (shardenet and Impaler) that hits on 4s, they both have a 3+ invul

Vect would be even worse, he would have 6 attacks on Draigo that hits him on 3s with rerolls thanks to preferred enemy everyone! And he would wound Draigo on 3s thanks to the sceptre, Draigo only has a 3+ save while Vect has a 2+

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Anval Thawn stands up to put Vect out of his misery.

Riddick40k wrote:Lelith would make short work of Draigo, she would have 7 attacks on Draigo that hits on 3s, Draigo would only have 3 attacks (shardenet and Impaler) that hits on 4s, they both have a 3+ invul

Vect would be even worse, he would have 6 attacks on Draigo that hits him on 3s with rerolls thanks to preferred enemy everyone! And he would wound Draigo on 3s thanks to the sceptre, Draigo only has a 3+ save while Vect has a 2+

they both better have EW because if Draigo gets a wound in...

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Riddick40k wrote:
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And if you really want an all out brawl, I'd suggest a Draigo bs Lysander duel

My vote, lysander

My vote: Draigo. He's got a storm bolter.

And Lysander has a ST 10 thunder hammer so if Draigo fails a save he'll be initiative 1 next turn, they both have terminator Armour so I doubt a storm Bolter would do anything, especially now that they arnt close combat weapons


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Grey Templar wrote:

Riddick40k wrote:Lelith would make short work of Draigo, she would have 7 attacks on Draigo that hits on 3s, Draigo would only have 3 attacks (shardenet and Impaler) that hits on 4s, they both have a 3+ invul

Vect would be even worse, he would have 6 attacks on Draigo that hits him on 3s with rerolls thanks to preferred enemy everyone! And he would wound Draigo on 3s thanks to the sceptre, Draigo only has a 3+ save while Vect has a 2+

they both better have EW because if Draigo gets a wound in...

Draigo better not get perils of the warp then, and even I he gets hammerhand he still has to get through vects 2+ invul

Probably won't get perils since DEldar don't have Runes of Warding.

I would still put my money on Lucius. Either he kills you, or you kill him and turn into him. Either way, Lou the E. wins...

odh1nn wrote:I would still put my money on Lucius. Either he kills you, or you kill him and turn into him. Either way, Lou the E. wins...

Thats not true. You'd have to feel pleasure in defeating him. Grey Knights hate Daemons right so wouldn't killing him to him be like "one less Daemon" instead of actually having pleasure?

If they would feel any pride in besting Lucius would cause you to slowly turn into him. I'm sure that even the grey knights would feel some sort of pride in besting one of the best Astartes swordsmen to ever have lived...


That said, it would be interesting, indeed, to see who would win the "Deadliest Warrior" contest. My vote would either go to Kharn, Lucius, Asurmen, Lelith or Ragnar Blackmane. Their all just monsters, both on the tabletop and in the storyline.

Gork and/or Mork.

Vires` wrote:

odh1nn wrote:I would still put my money on Lucius. Either he kills you, or you kill him and turn into him. Either way, Lou the E. wins...

Thats not true. You'd have to feel pleasure in defeating him. Grey Knights hate Daemons right so wouldn't killing him to him be like "one less Daemon" instead of actually having pleasure?

Who wouldn't feel at least the slightest twinge of enthusiasm, pleasure or satisfaction from besting a bogeyman who's been around since before the Heresy? That's all that it takes to become just another swirling face, a memory in the armor that Lucius is clad in.

odh1nn wrote:

Vires` wrote:

odh1nn wrote:I would still put my money on Lucius. Either he kills you, or you kill him and turn into him. Either way, Lou the E. wins...

Thats not true. You'd have to feel pleasure in defeating him. Grey Knights hate Daemons right so wouldn't killing him to him be like "one less Daemon" instead of actually having pleasure?

Who wouldn't feel at least the slightest twinge of enthusiasm, pleasure or satisfaction from besting a bogeyman who's been around since before the Heresy? That's all that it takes to become just another swirling face, a memory in the armor that Lucius is clad in.

Plenty of things, actually. Necrons, tyranids, wraithguard/wraithlords, Imperial navy commanders who don't even realize they've just bombarded him into dust...

MandalorynOranj wrote:

odh1nn wrote:

Vires` wrote:

odh1nn wrote:I would still put my money on Lucius. Either he kills you, or you kill him and turn into him. Either way, Lou the E. wins...

Thats not true. You'd have to feel pleasure in defeating him. Grey Knights hate Daemons right so wouldn't killing him to him be like "one less Daemon" instead of actually having pleasure?

Who wouldn't feel at least the slightest twinge of enthusiasm, pleasure or satisfaction from besting a bogeyman who's been around since before the Heresy? That's all that it takes to become just another swirling face, a memory in the armor that Lucius is clad in.

Plenty of things, actually. Necrons, tyranids, wraithguard/wraithlords, Imperial navy commanders who don't even realize they've just bombarded him into dust...

Most of which would not be in the "Deadliest Warrior" 40K style.
And we don't know that wraithguard and wraithlords don't feel. They are sentient as tehy are just reincarnated souls (essentially). We also don't know that the larger Nid creatures (like Swarmlord for example) don't have a sense of pride. They obviously gain individual knowledge and CAN think independently, otherwise there would be no need for the hive mind to reincarnate the swarmlord as any hive tyrant would be able to command the bugs just as well as any others.

Amanax wrote:

MandalorynOranj wrote:

odh1nn wrote:

Vires` wrote:

odh1nn wrote:I would still put my money on Lucius. Either he kills you, or you kill him and turn into him. Either way, Lou the E. wins...

Thats not true. You'd have to feel pleasure in defeating him. Grey Knights hate Daemons right so wouldn't killing him to him be like "one less Daemon" instead of actually having pleasure?

Who wouldn't feel at least the slightest twinge of enthusiasm, pleasure or satisfaction from besting a bogeyman who's been around since before the Heresy? That's all that it takes to become just another swirling face, a memory in the armor that Lucius is clad in.

Plenty of things, actually. Necrons, tyranids, wraithguard/wraithlords, Imperial navy commanders who don't even realize they've just bombarded him into dust...

Most of which would not be in the "Deadliest Warrior" 40K style.
And we don't know that wraithguard and wraithlords don't feel. They are sentient as tehy are just reincarnated souls (essentially). We also don't know that the larger Nid creatures (like Swarmlord for example) don't have a sense of pride. They obviously gain individual knowledge and CAN think independently, otherwise there would be no need for the hive mind to reincarnate the swarmlord as any hive tyrant would be able to command the bugs just as well as any others.

True dat, at least from how I heard my 'crons are being updated...

Drago is doing that because GW went stupid and were like hmmm lets make the gayest character ever that ignores everything we previously said. Oh a guy who is able to never die and can fight in the warp... Oh sweettt..


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Deadliest warrior is the gladiator pits in the Commorragh.

It would obviously be the Hive mind because it has an endless freaken swarm of beasties to send at anybody it likes!

monti14 wrote:Drago is doing that because GW went stupid and were like hmmm lets make the gayest character ever that ignores everything we previously said.

Can we not use 'gay' as an insult, please? Ta.

I am sorry.

Vect wont be able to fight.. According to DE codex he is sitting in the DE version of the golden throne, but then less important..

I'd put my money on ghaz... 2++ on the waaagh and 7 str 10 attacks on the charge. weapon skill 6 and eternal warrior; that is a package full of win imo

What about the sanguinor?at least against Draigo he has more HA and I and he can repeat to hit and to wound.

Marneus Augustus Calgar vs. Lord Kaldar Draigo

Caveat: I assume both combatants simultaniously charge each other at the start of the 1st turn, firing their weapon as they do. I'll ignore Calgars Combat Tactics, Orbit. Bomb and Draigo's flamy-power.

Round 1:
Draigo Shooting: 2 shots (Str. 4, AP5), 2 hits (for simplicity) resulting in 1 wound and 0,16 wounds after saves (2+)
Calgar Shooting: 2 shots (Str. 4, AP2), 1,6666 hits resulting in 0,926 wounds (w/ re-rolls) and 0,31 wounds after saves (3++).

Draigo CC: 5 Attacks (Str. 6 w/HH), 3,3333 hits resulting in 2,222 wounds and 1,111 wounds after saves (4++): Calgar has taken 1,261 wounds total on average
Calgar CC: 6 Attacks (Str. 8), 3 hits resulting in 2,91 wounds (w/ re-rolls) and 0.97 wounds after saves (3++): Draigo has taken 1,896 wounds total on average

Round 2:
Draigo CC: 4 Attacks (Str. 6 w/HH), 2,666 hits resulting in 1,777 wounds and 0,888 wounds after saves (4++): Calgar has taken 2,15 wounds total on average
Calgar CC: 5 Attacks (Str. 8), 2,5 hits resulting in 2,43 wounds (w/ re-rolls) and 0.81 wounds after saves (3++): Draigo has taken 2,71 wounds total on average

Round 3:
Draigo CC: 4 Attacks (Str. 6 w/HH), 2,666 hits resulting in 1,777 wounds and 0,888 wounds after saves (4++): Calgar has taken 3,038 wounds total on average
Calgar CC: 5 Attacks (Str. 8), 2,5 hits resulting in 2,43 wounds (w/ re-rolls) and 0.81 wounds after saves (3++): Draigo has taken 3,52 wounds total on average

Round 4:
Draigo CC: 4 Attacks (Str. 6 w/HH), 2,666 hits resulting in 1,777 wounds and 0,888 wounds after saves (4++): Calgar has taken 3,926 wounds total on average
Calgar CC: 5 Attacks (Str. 8), 2,5 hits resulting in 2,43 wounds (w/ re-rolls) and 0.81 wounds after saves (3++): Draigo has taken 4,33 wounds total on average (e.g. R.I.P.)


Conclusing. Calgar wins over Draigo with an average of 0,074 wounds left after 4 rounds of combat.

I blame the Ap2 bolter calgar has. the wounds it can cause seem to have tipped the balance.


still, I would say its too close to call as Calgar is winning by a mere fraction.

Draigo has a force weapon doesn't he?

Couldn't he kill calgar by causing a single wound and passing a psychic test?

Wait. I forgot calgar has EW. Carry on

thenoobbomb wrote:Vect wont be able to fight.. According to DE codex he is sitting in the DE version of the golden throne, but then less important..

What codex are you reading? Vects still alive and killing like always

G00fySmiley wrote:I'd put my money on ghaz... 2++ on the waaagh and 7 str 10 attacks on the charge. weapon skill 6 and eternal warrior; that is a package full of win imo

Double or nothin'!

looks like ard boiz is gonna suck.

Tzeentch- just as planned

Ragnarok2070 wrote:ok, all the heroes in the universe will do all kinds of crazy shyte, now which race would actually be the champion in all out war, my money is on the orks. just put a warboss in the middle of Nobz and surround them with boyz and gretchin, Even Calgar and Kaldor can only kill so much in one round before they get swamped with so many wounds from choppas that they begin failing.

True. The greatest strength of the orks is their weight of numbers (as well as their inability to be stamped out).

Ragnarok2070 wrote:ok, all the heroes in the universe will do all kinds of crazy shyte, now which race would actually be the champion in all out war, my money is on the orks. just put a warboss in the middle of Nobz and surround them with boyz and gretchin, Even Calgar and Kaldor can only kill so much in one round before they get swamped with so many wounds from choppas that they begin failing.