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Sisters of Battle didn't get a new codex till just recently. Witchhunters was more of a Inquistion with sisters thrown in a la daemonhunters.

I kind of agree with the 5th edition hate. Transporthammer 40K was dull as hell to watch.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Sisters of Battle didn't get a new codex till just recently. Witchhunters was more of a Inquistion with sisters thrown in a la daemonhunters.

Debatable. They had several army lists that were very good during that time period though. The black book list, the Chapter Approved (WD) list and C:WH. I would argue that the Chapter Approved list was probably the best we've ever had. That's a bit OT though. They did have a book, as did every other army, during 3rd.

 brassangel wrote:

Selym wrote:

 urion wrote:
Everyone wants a new edition till it comes out. Then they want a new edition.

I don't want a new ed. I want 5th back. I was looking forward to 6th's release, got the book, recoiled in horror, and died a little inside.

Unless a person is incapable of playing a game that requires thought, there are none who want to go back to un-killable transports with lists made up of nothing but:

5 dudes + tank
5 dudes + tank
5 dudes + tank
5 dudes + tank
5 dudes + tank
5 dudes + tank

No thank you. Good Lord that edition was a scar on the game.

I never used transports...
I just liked the lack of random. And that I could make a DP kill stuff reliably. And with EW.
:/

 Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
Since I have been playing since Rogue trade, 3rd Edition REALLY pissed me off by making oversimplified, then have progressively liked editions since.

3rd was the result of GW trying to break into the competitive scene. The whole thing was basically rushed out the door and they've been trying to fix it ever since.

Give me Pancake Editon and I might consider playing a game of 40k again.

Or I could just finish my rules set and be done with other games...

I would welcome our new, updated rules overlords.

I have a small reason to be optimistic with this, as, while execution has been a little erratic, the last year or so has seen an increased release schedule, bundle purchases with an inclusive discount, supplements with expanded options for sub-factions, and the disappearance of arbitrary, blanket price rises, albeit without the disappearance of the slightly grabby pricing behaviour it was associated with.

These are all things that GW have been persistently, roundly and vocally criticised either for not doing, or not doing any more.

The one remaining criticism I have of GW in general (rather than the specific daft bits that crop up) is I don't find 40K all that fun anymore, and I feel that 6th has descended into a pantomime clusterfeth where all the toys in the toy box have been thrown at "the problem child" (those pesky customers who keep insisting that 40K isn't all that good a game) in an order to keep it quiet.

If the changes I mentioned are a response to criticism, then there is hope that this could be too.

Perhaps that "vocal, Internet minority" isn't so much of a minority after all.

Bring it I say. Just be sure to roll all Marines into one book, and give refunds to anybody who bought the BRB, Escal, or Stronghold. Or simply let them trade in. Remember those poor saps who bought DftS only to buy a Codex with the same rules immediately after?

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
Bring it I say. Just be sure to roll all Marines into one book, and give refunds to anybody who bought the BRB, Escal, or Stronghold. Or simply let them trade in. Remember those poor saps who bought DftS only to buy a Codex with the same rules immediately after?

Yeah, good luck with that. You want a free kitten too?

I am not buying this rumor. Natfka does not have the best track record (everything is a sure thing until it is not). If this is anything (and it may just be smoke) my guess is that this will be a digital only version of the 6th edition rule book with all the supplemental rule sets and FAQs rolled into one master rule set. Perhaps there might be some dataslate like changes to the overall rule set. But I see it more of some simple housekeeping and not a major shift in the game.

http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/GAW:LN/chart

Stock price is falling, profits are stagnant, and cost-cutting measures are hitting the bone - of course there is going to be a new edition!
And probably a even newer edition shortly afterwards, closely followed by whatever the janitor thinks is a great new unit that would increase sales.

If assaults becomes 6+D6".
If you can assault when disembarking from a transport if immobile the same turn.
If Furious Charge gives again +1Init.
If Power Axes was just a -1Init or Specialist weapon.

Then it would be interessting.

If not, i'm not interested.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
If assaults becomes 6+D6".
If you can assault when disembarking from a transport if immobile the same turn.
If Furious Charge gives again +1Init.
If Power Axes was just a -1Init or Specialist weapon.

Then it would be interessting.

If not, i'm not interested.

Now that is an edition I would like to play in. One less count of random Bs, power axes ftw, furious charge ftw, Rhino assault ftw!

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
If assaults becomes 6+D6".
If you can assault when disembarking from a transport if immobile the same turn.
If Furious Charge gives again +1Init.
If Power Axes was just a -1Init or Specialist weapon.

Then it would be interessting.

If not, i'm not interested.

As a tau and DA player I must say I agree with all but the furious charge. (to many orks in my area)

Alabaster.clown wrote:
http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/GAW:LN/chart

Stock price is falling, profits are stagnant, and cost-cutting measures are hitting the bone - of course there is going to be a new edition!
And probably a even newer edition shortly afterwards, closely followed by whatever the janitor thinks is a great new unit that would increase sales.

http://youtu.be/P4tmNhtf8ks?t=5m21s

"I wonder how they'll handle this..."

Alabaster.clown wrote:
http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/GAW:LN/chart

Stock price is falling, profits are stagnant, and cost-cutting measures are hitting the bone - of course there is going to be a new edition!
And probably a even newer edition shortly afterwards, closely followed by whatever the janitor thinks is a great new unit that would increase sales.

"Profits are stagnant". I love how people say that but both GW's Revenue and Net Profits are higher for their FY 2013 than 2012.

As for stock prices, since when are those indicative of how a company is actually doing? It's a measure of investor confidence, not the actual company's abilities. And when you look at the last year it looks like there was a bit of an investor boom there for a bit that inflated stock prices a little too quickly and they're tapering off a bit from that.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
If assaults becomes 6+D6".
If you can assault when disembarking from a transport if immobile the same turn.
If Furious Charge gives again +1Init.
If Power Axes was just a -1Init or Specialist weapon.

Then it would be interessting.

If not, i'm not interested.

And D weapons adjusted for 40k games.

Deal!

I believe it. GW will release a continue bitz of high-fluff (which in 40k isn't hard to write at all, any preschooler can do it) low-content codex's/expansions that aren't even physical copies to reduce overhead. The constant bombardment of required updates is a new way to drain the customers as people slow down buying their models due to cost.

Super Warhammer 40,000 2 Turbo Alpha EX+ Gold Champion Edition is slated for release yesterday. Now you can use your 40k models in Skylanders Giants! and your current rules have been nulified. The new book also features a prisma-chromatic holo-foil cover and comes poly-bagged with a collector card of photo booth nudes of Tom Kirby. $120 for the ppb version. If you buy this, you get the new limited White dwarf model for $50 featuring the famous white dwarf enjoying a day at the beach in a precarious and embbarasing pose wearing a speedo being pulled down by a flesh hound puppy.

40k is dead. Long live 40k. I will continue to enjoy the IP and the hobby despite GW. I will not be buying a new edition. Long live piracy against companies like this.

 Harriticus wrote:
I believe it. GW will release a continue bitz of high-fluff (which in 40k isn't hard to write at all, any preschooler can do it) low-content codex's/expansions that aren't even physical copies to reduce overhead. The constant bombardment of required updates is a new way to drain the customers as people slow down buying their models due to cost.

That strategy worked great for them with Iron Hands players(those few of us that were left). Some have begun repurposing their armies for Heresy-era games, many more are struggling to maintain any enthusiasm for the game or company at all, quite a few have already walked away. And I think there was one guy who was inexplicably happy they retconned the chapter to bits. If they keep up the ratio of 1 decent to several average to one fanbase-destroyingly-abysmal with the current pace of supplement releases, they should have successfully driven off quite a few more people even before this 6.1/6.5/7th edition malarkey.

 EYEofTERROR wrote:
Super Warhammer 40,000 2 Turbo Alpha EX+ Gold Champion Edition is slated for release yesterday. Now you can use your 40k models in Skylanders Giants! and your current rules have been nulified. The new book also features a prisma-chromatic holo-foil cover and comes poly-bagged with a collector card of photo booth nudes of Tom Kirby. $120 for the ppb version. If you buy this, you get the new limited White dwarf model for $50 featuring the famous white dwarf enjoying a day at the beach in a precarious and embbarasing pose wearing a speedo being pulled down by a flesh hound puppy.

40k is dead. Long live 40k. I will continue to enjoy the IP and the hobby despite GW. I will not be buying a new edition. Long live piracy against companies like this.

This all sounds about correct - I'm thinking they just want to release a new special limited edition version

Let's face they've cocked up assault based army in this edition as well as how flyers interact with the current game. I do believe it will be more like 6.5 than a true 7th edition. I don't believe that 6th is bad it's just needs a bit more polish.

PastelAvenger wrote:
Let's face they've cocked up assault based army in this edition as well as how flyers interact with the current game. I do believe it will be more like 6.5 than a true 7th edition. I don't believe that 6th is bad it's just needs a bit more polish.

And a good trimming.

 Selym wrote:

PastelAvenger wrote:
Let's face they've cocked up assault based army in this edition as well as how flyers interact with the current game. I do believe it will be more like 6.5 than a true 7th edition. I don't believe that 6th is bad it's just needs a bit more polish.

And a good trimming.

Yes a lot of rules bloating needs to be cut from the edition too

I honestly wouldn't mind a tweak to 6th; they introduced a number of new mechanics which could use some adjusting, but a whole new edition is a bit much to consider at this point.

There are, however, some codexes which could use a ".5" treatment; Chaos in particular. Codex Heldrake and Cultists isn't terribly interesting, and my local group includes a lot of Chaos players with very limited enthusiasm for their armies anymore, especially as more and more armies get updated and blow them out of the water.

For general rules, there are some things I'd like looked at:

Challenges. They're completely asinine in 40k, make no logical sense, and instead of "Forging a narrative," they seem shoehorned in, only making sense for specific models/characters, not as a game-wide system. I'd like to see an incentive to challenge, with risks/rewards based on the outcome, but do not make it mandatory or punish armies for not accepting them.

Vehicles. Tracked vehicles are ludicrously easy to kill if they've got anything less than AV14 and in cover, whereas skimmers enjoy excellent durability in a variety of manners, especially since most skimmers can buff their saves through basic unit upgrades. Dreadnoughts, well, let's not talk about those. Any close combat vehicle is suicide. An easy tweak would be to differentiate skimmers and conventional tanks via HPs; skimmers have less, but get their saves, tanks have more, but have to rely on positioning or thicker armour.

As for dreadnoughts, honestly, since GW has decided to make all post-Chaos walkers MCs, dreadnoughts either need to become their own unit type, or folded into MCs; the hullpoint system just makes them laughably easy to kill. A 10 man guardsmen squad with krak grenades will kill anything shy of a Contemptor or Ironclad handidly in CC.

Allies. The ally matrix is a load of crap, if you ask me. Most of the "Battle Brothers" have no justification, an have resulted in enormously broken combos. Why on earth would Eldar and Tau work together? There's no fluff justification, nor for Eldar and Dark Eldar to be BB. There needs to be a lot more allies of convenience on that chart, and a number of things demoted to desperate allies or come the apocalypse.

Lastly, cover. At the start of the edition, cover was fine; a few things were demoted in saves, infantry in ruins had to rely on TLOS rather than just being "in-terrain" (as much as some TFGs locally struggle with that), vehicles got saves easier (which they need, given HPs), and all was well. Now, however, Eldar and Tau in particular have added so many ways to massively buff or remove cover entirely. Daemons as well, to a point. What I've noticed now (and these problems are from codexes, rather than the BRB) is that armies either have 2+ or 3+ cover saves by default, or their cover is ignored entirely in some capacity.

Sometimes, it feels like armies are either Terminators or Kroot in terms of durability with so many buff/debuff/rule ignoring builds becoming the norm. Psychic and pseudo-psychic buffs have gotten out of control, and enabled some serious powergaming which is all to easy to abuse, and needs to be reigned in.

MajorStoffer, your post is pure beauty

 Vaktathi wrote:
MajorStoffer, your post is pure beauty

Ditto

My only request is the unnerfing of CC. Those monsters dragged my Orks down into the depths of uselessness in one fell move.

Maybe if they make assaulting more viable then it will be a good thing. Otherwise it smells like wallet milking.

"7th Edition" already has got to be more than the market will bear, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a sort of 6th ed definitive edition that includes all the supplementary stuff and a big FAQ.

If we get 7th ed so soon, I will definitely sit it out. I'm not in this to buy a BRB every damn year. Plenty of mileage in 6th yet for me. Thank god I mostly play at home with friends.