Kickstarter - Dwarven Forge Game Tiles II: Caverns - Campaign Successful!

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**Forar**

I don't know what their profit margins are like, but the last campaign did 1.9 million, and that was with Amazon Payments soiling itself and dying repeatedly during the end of their campaign, including like 4 hours during their last day. It was shenanigans, and they totally should've broken 2m.

Obviously they had a strong start, and I'm hoping they get there again, but we'll have to see how the next few weeks go.

**-iPaint-**

Don't forget, we haven't seen paid add-ons yet. I imagine when they show up the project will get a nice shot in the arm.

~iPaint

**RiTides**

Yes, but I can't afford any paid add-ons

so I hope as much as possible goes into the sets. Or at least, I won't plan to put any paid add-ons into my base pledge, since those can be added via the pledge manager, but the pledge level can't be changed- and I'll be tapped out just from the pledge level.

So, if there are any paid add-ons I feel are must haves, I'll wait to add them via the pledge manager, personally.

I have to say, I'm quite happy with the variety of tiles already, just not quite there on the quantity... but I expect that to change by the end.

**ironicsilence**

pretty solid first day with some neat parts added

**RiTides**

I'm surprised there hasn't been an update yet (with the exception of the first that was meant for the prior campaign, it seems

). It looks like they had a lot of updates on their prior campaign... I wonder why they haven't here with all the progress made?

**ironicsilence**

I kinda of wonder if they didnt want to spam people with a bunch of updates on the first day since there are generally a lot of first day unlocks. Though I would have figured they would have atleast put out an end of first day here is what unlocked today type email

**RiTides**

Update!

Dwarven Forge wrote:Update #2 Mar 13 2014
A Big Thank You and Survey Link

Just a quick note to everyone to say thank you for such a great start to our Cavern Kickstarter campaign. We can’t tell you how much your early support means to us. Your Caverns have already gotten bigger and better. As of right now, each set you pledged for also includes the following stretch goals:

2x Passage Pieces
2x Straight Walls "B" version
2x Curved Corners "B" version
2x Floors "B" version
2x Straight Walls "C" version
2x Curved Corners "C" version
2x Floors "C" version
1x Passage End Cap

And we’re not done yet! We’re working hard on upcoming stretch goals and add-ons, but we would also like to have your input now. Please CLICK HERE to take our short survey regarding what add-on packs you would like to see. Of course, we’re going to do our best to make this a fun and rewarding 4 weeks.

Hope you’ll stay tuned.

Jeff Martin

President

**judgedoug**

RiTides wrote:
Hey guys, so for those of you who were in on the first campaign, can you tell me:

1. Were you able to change pledge levels during the pledge manager (for instance, bump up to a 3 or 5 set pledge level from a 2 set pledge level)? Or were you locked in to your original pledge level and could only add add-ons / new pledges?

2. How long did the pledge manager remain open for, and when were you asked to pay the additional funds?

Hey I did change pledge level in the pledge manager - I went through my emails and found this:
5/10/13
"Thank you for your $260 pledge. You selected "2 Sets (Dungeon Gray) Game Tiles" as your reward on Kickstarter."
This was a 2 set pledge with add ons.

Then after the pledge manager on fundafull I rearranged it to this and added a few dollars:
5/22/13
"Here are the rewards and add-ons you selected:
- Special Forum Account Graphic (you will be contacted later on how to enable this)
- Tote Bag
- 3 Sets (Dungeon Gray) Game Tiles
- 3 x 1 Set (Dungeon Gray) Stretch Goals
- Floor Pack (Dungeon Gray)
- Dungeon Dressing Pack (Dungeon Gray)
- Castle Wall Pack (Dungeon Gray)"

**Cyporiean**

judgedoug wrote:
RiTides wrote:
Hey guys, so for those of you who were in on the first campaign, can you tell me:

1. Were you able to change pledge levels during the pledge manager (for instance, bump up to a 3 or 5 set pledge level from a 2 set pledge level)? Or were you locked in to your original pledge level and could only add add-ons / new pledges?

2. How long did the pledge manager remain open for, and when were you asked to pay the additional funds?

Hey I did change pledge level in the pledge manager - I went through my emails and found this:

Spoiler:

5/10/13
"Thank you for your $260 pledge. You selected "2 Sets (Dungeon Gray) Game Tiles" as your reward on Kickstarter."
This was a 2 set pledge with add ons.

Then after the pledge manager on fundafull I rearranged it to this and added a few dollars:
5/22/13
"Here are the rewards and add-ons you selected:
- Special Forum Account Graphic (you will be contacted later on how to enable this)
- Tote Bag
- 3 Sets (Dungeon Gray) Game Tiles
- 3 x 1 Set (Dungeon Gray) Stretch Goals
- Floor Pack (Dungeon Gray)
- Dungeon Dressing Pack (Dungeon Gray)
- Castle Wall Pack (Dungeon Gray)"

I had to drop out during the last couple of days and speificly asked 'Hey if I drop down to the 1 set level, can I raise it back up to the 5 set level during the pledge manager stage?' and was told No... so I dropped completely. :/

**RiTides**

I got this response from someone in the comments saying it wasn't possible last time either, interesting:

@RiTides
1.) last KS I remember that you were not allowed to go up in pledge level. Meaning you can't pledge 2 sets and then pledge for 10 during the pledge manager. You can however pledge for 10 and add another 2 sets. I am assuming this is to get a number estimate of total sets for production.
2.). I remember you had to pay right when you finished the pledge manager but can't remember what how long it was open.

You're probably right though judgedoug, and thanks for checking on that!

The pledge manager isn't very long at all after the campaign, though, and not open very long... so I'll likely stick to the level I select now and just add add-ons then, if I decide to go for any (they're still working out what they're going to offer, I think the fast start was better than they expected!).

**judgedoug**

Yup, I just logged into the DF fundafull and it confirmed that I pledged for for 2 sets but bought 3. Here's a screenshot

**RiTides**

Thanks, judgedoug... I'm wondering if perhaps they weren't planning to allow that, but with the KS crash on their final day and people not being able to adjust their pledges, decided to afterwards.

What do you think of the floor pack, since I see you got it? Was it worth it? Seems like it would've been nicer without the center motif and just blending in with the other floor tiles more... but I think larger floors will be needed so I'm hoping they add a floor pack to this campaign, too.

**Forar**

Don't feel too bad, RiTides, I probably won't be in for any add ons either. The bump in S&H along with the cost adds up when i'm trying to stay lean.

... but having done the survey, if they do the 'winter/ice themed' tiles, that resolve might waver.

**RiTides**

That's my least favorite add-on, though

. If I do go for some in the pledge manager, I'd like a floors pack and an accessories one, if they do any similar to the prior campaign (but cavern themed, of course).

**ced1106**

So each set now has...
* 26 tiles from base pledge
* 15 tiles from stretch goals

$145 per 2 sets / 41 tiles per set = $1.76 per tile

**Forar**

A not insignificant amount more if international, and the cost per set drops as you get into the higher tiers (eg: $72.50/set at 2 sets, $70/set at 3 sets).

At 2 sets painted, I'm looking at $3.41 per tile, or nearly twice the price.

Note, that's simply for comparison.

Obviously I could go unpainted and lop $60 off that total, but considering the cost of paints and brushes (both of which were excellent in the first campaign), it seems far more cost effective to have the pros do it for me.

**judgedoug**

No problem RiTides, happy to help. The floor pack was most definitely worth it if you want rooms larger than a standard 3x3.

I'm just pledging for sets now and I'll let the campaign run it's course and then be pleasantly surprised with the amount of stuff I'm getting. Then in the pledge manager I'll figure out what addons i want. Too much work to have to go back and keep recalculating and adjusting my pledge, etc.

i did NOT buy the paints last campaign and i'm definitely getting them this time around.

**Galen**

RiTides wrote:
That's my least favorite add-on, though . If I do go for some in the pledge manager, I'd like a floors pack and an accessories one, if they do any similar to the prior campaign (but cavern themed, of course).

Dwarven Forge has always seemed to have an aversion to big rooms. All their sample lay-outs and sets for as long as I can remember have featured narrow corridors and small rooms. Most 3-D dungeon terrain leans the same way, and that is a big reason why for years I didn't bother with it in my games.

**Forar**

Funny, early in the campaign someone in the comments was begging them to not drown the stretch goals in floor tiles, and though it's been a while since I built a floor plan out, with 3 dungeon sets from the last KS, building some wide open spaces hasn't really taxed me thus far.

Hell, with 5 sets total (probably) once this is done, I think I'll be able to cover some good sized tables without cheating on the 'super thick walls'.

Dear god if they make this yearly I'm going to need one of those blueprint storage cabinets...

**judgedoug**

The next one will either be Medieval Buildings or Sci-Fi, either way, going big on it all.

**nkelsch**

I hope they do the mineshaft theme based upon the survey they did.

**-iPaint-**

nkelsch wrote:
I hope they do the mineshaft theme based upon the survey they did.

It's one of the sets I recommended, so there's definitely others who think the same.

~iPaint

**RiTides**

I just want larger floors (and Maybe some accessories), but of the other sets, the mine cart and the cracks / chasm (or even better, underground lake) sounded the best to me.

**RiTides**

Update is up... at least the next stretch is only 50k away. Looks like it's a one-off add-on pack and not the same price as others to come.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dwarvenforge/dwarven-forges-caverns-dwarvenite-game-tiles-mini/posts/776212

Big picture, but I think most of it has already been shown (no new pieces except the boulder / ramp). I think they're still planning the rest of the add-on packs.

Spoiler:

**DrunkenBoxer**

That's awesome...who doesn't need a Raiders of the Lost Ark trap in their dungeon?

I just wish this add-on was a little cheaper.

**RiTides**

Yeah, that's the same for me- I might have been interested in the boulder/ramp alone for less cost, but since that's the only new piece, it's not tempting.

They did just post in the comments that they've dropped the international shipping cost on this add-on from $35 to $20, so that's more reasonable at least.

But as it's up to $877K already, I'm looking forward to hopefully more interesting add-on packs, or even better more pieces in the base set, as the next stretch goal

after hitting $900K.

**Forar**

Definitely passing on this one. The extra $20 for S&H and $15 for having them painted puts it up to $75. Sure, I could get them unpainted, but even $60 for 17 pieces isn't really grabbing me.

Hell, due to some recent developments it might be necessary to drop my pledge altogether, sad as that would be. But I might have a massive expense looming in the next few months, so that might just have to take priority.

**RiTides**

Darn it Forar, how did you transfer your rabidness to me

. This is why I'm so cautious about dipping my toe in to a campaign- too easy to commit more after that

My pledge is pretty much set in stone for just the basic sets, but assuming the pledge manager runs into late April (which seems reasonable, since this ends a week into April) I'll be considering 1 - 2 addon sets then, depending on what they offer.

**Forar**

Well, last time the pledge manager went live roughly 3 weeks after the campaign ended, and lasted for 10 days, so depending on how they plan to run this one, there might be an entire month (and hopefully at least a pair of paycheques within) to pay off any extras we might decide to snag.

But, yeah, a little rabid enthusiasm can be contagious. Hell, in some KS comment sections it can become almost cult-like. "Oh yeah, 2 sets is good, but you know what's even better? 3?! No no, 5 and add ons!! YAY!" and suddenly you've committed half a grand or more to a project you only wanted to put a couple hundred down on.

Robotech Tactics got a bit... overzealous at this for a while.

For all my enthusiasm, I totally recommend acting responsibly to people. No point going deep into debt, even if it's an awesome deal.

**Alpharius**

A question for anyone who went with "Expertly Hand Painted" sets last time around - what did you think?