Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
Times and dates in your local timezone.
Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.
2014/04/14 02:20:30
Subject: Jy2 Goes to Adepticon (WARNING - Lots of Pics!)
@ansacs
Sorry but I am not trying to pick on Nick. Being in the spot light means you are open for discussion. He is a top notch player and I think he'll do well no matter what, as I said of all the top players, but his list does not engage the other player much at all. As it stands though I am actually really glad he won as I think flying circus was less of an evil looking at the field.
In regard to sharks never getting tired of eating sharks, maybe your right, then again maybe your not. When attendance falls below a certain number for an event in a grand tournament, suddenly the win i less meaningful to those types. If the top 16 becomes the top 16 in an even of 50, suddenly it's not as impressive or shocking when one of them wins it.
I also agree both should be congratulated, but the sad fact is the MASSIVE disparity between the two currently on the web at least. That was more was trying to get across I guess. When you say this is painting and not playing, I see you missed my point. The hobby isn't just the rules, maybe this is me missing the old GT's though.
I guess for me it is just mind boggling to hear so many competitive players outcry for TO's to make changes when most of them make no effort not to bring the silly lists they currently hate.
Asking large groups to act responsibly isn't worth it now? Just because the event gets larger and the odds of everyone acting responsibly goes down doesn't mean we should declare open season and expect them all to act out.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
thanatos67 wrote: @redcorsair-just wondering: How awful looking is my army (Justin Cooks O'vesa Star)? I think that would fall into the category of those WAAC lists. How about Andrew Gonyo's Ovesa star army with 8 piranha (also in JY2s pictures?) You can be honest, not gonna hurt my feelings...I just think its very sweeping to say that most armies you likely consider waac also look 'awful'
Jim unveil your list, the masses want to know!
Sorry, I actually regret typing that as I try not to call out specific people. I have seen some accomplished players lists/armies and they were not impressive to me, I shouldn't say most, I apologize. At the risk of sounding less credible I would rather not call anyone out. I also didn't mean it as a rule, your army is clean looking and cohesive, the pics aren't the best (read close) so I am not going to overly judge it. It looks like it could be better if I saw it in person though, but like I said as it stands yours looks clean, and yes your list (not you) is very WAAC. Your friends army is really, really nice however. To me I would be much happier being blown off the table by nice looking armies. Small victories.
I hope your not taking my remarks personally, everyones ability varies, its just sad when you see armies rushed to the table. I have seen top players with a polished army and then 3 weeks later bring the next best thing with busted looking models as they were in a rush to get the army together more concerned with winning.
This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2014/04/14 02:38:18
@Red Corsair
Fair enough about Nick. I honestly find the FMC circus to be a fun list to play and play against. I think this is the biggest problem with a call for responsibility. What is a WAAC list? Is a white scars bike army a WAAC list? Can I not take a white scars list as presented in the fluff because it is too powerful? Jet seer council is a ridiculously powerful list but it is a fluffy list that can easily come about from fluff and modeling decisions.
Heck I see posts on this site every weak on how riptides, heldrakes, centurions, and wraithknights are overcosted and garbage units. You can literally find threads started every weak.
I did not miss the point. Painting is part of the hobby and can supplement the gaming experience as well. In fact I paint more than I have time to game. However it is not playing a game of 40K, you do not call a painter a player and a player is often not a painter or painting services would not exist.
GT winner's fame is short lived but explosive. Painter's fame is slowly accrued and is always a low key thing but it lasts for as long as their works or records of their works last. There is also something to be said about this discussion being held in the batrep section...where it is all about games played. From what I see the painting section has more about gorgeous models that win showings.
The thing is you are asking people to restrain themselves to a completely undefined level. Not only this but for those people that actually have some idea of what they are doing but are also unscrupulous enough (gasp!) to field a jet seer council, etc. they will win and get the best positions. So should we automatically scorn those who win games. You have also reverted back to TOs hosting events and not doing anything to ensure those event succeed. Why should they risk tens of thousands of usd so you can have your sharks make others extinct events where you appear to think the event will fail? If you want to prove a point then shouldn't you put up the money to do so?
I will stop replying to this discussion on this thread, please feel free to have the last word. If you want we could move it to another thread but I think some of this thread should definitely be Jy2's fantastic and entertaining reports! TM
2014/04/14 04:03:55
Subject: Jy2 Goes to Adepticon (WARNING - Lots of Pics!)
For Adepticon, I was really ever considering 2 armies - my Wraithwing Necrons or Tyranids. I took Necrons to my last major tournament, the Las Vegas Open. Normally, I alternate armies between tournaments but for Adepticon, I decided to go with my Necrons again. Why?
1. My Tyranids weren't done.
2. I'm concerned about taking any army that I can't bring as a carry-on on the plane. I would most likely have to check in my bugs.
3. I wasn't really satisfied with the performance of my Necrons at the last tournament, the LVO. I did great, going 4-0 before finally losing in Game #5 to get eliminated from the Top 8 (the Championship rounds). Thus, I still had something to prove with my crons. Adepticon was a chance for their redemption.
4. I wanted to see how a great, balanced Take-All-Comer's army can deal with the current competitive meta that is deathstar 40K. Thus, I had to bring my strongest TAC army in order to see how balanced 40K compares to deathstar 40K. My hypothesis is this - TAC armies can still compete, even against the uber builds of today.
Thus, I was here at Adepticon with a goal. No, it wasn't really to win the whole thing. Rather, my goal was to make it to the Sweet 16. It was also to show that a good TAC army can still stand up to the deathstar armies. A fundamentally sound TAC army should have all the tools to handle deathstar builds. Then again, other than the seer council, I haven't really faced many of these new "super deathstars" yet, so it just may be a learning experience for me.
Skulltaker - Juggernaut
Karanak
Khorne Herald - Juggernaut, 1x Greater Gift, 1x Lesser Gift - Axe of Khorne, Re-roll Inv's Khorne Herald - Juggernaut, 1x Greater Gift, 1x Lesser Gift - Axe of Khorne, +1 Wound, It Will Not Die
Adepticon uses only Primary and Secondary objectives. The Primary Objectives always consists of 2 missions. It's actually quite simple. If you get more Primary Objectives than your opponent, you earn a Crushing Victory. Otherwise, if the Primary is tied, then you go on to the Secondaries. The Secondaries consist of First Blood, Linebreaker and Slay the Warlord. If you tie on the Primary and win via Secondaries, then it is a Minor Victory.
My opponent, Gary, is a Chicago native. For those not very familiar, Chicago has an extremely competitive group of 40K players. Here is the home of Adepticon and the former GW Battle Bunker, where the Ard Boyz Championships used to be hosted. There are many great players here, including Alan "Pajamapants" Barajmovich, Tim Gorham, Tony Grippando as well as many others. Gary actually plays against them on a constant basis. So he geared his deathstar to be more of an "anti-deathstar" (or rather, more of an "anti-centurionstar"). Well, after taking a look at my army, he knew he would be in trouble. Mindshackle Scarabs and 3++ wraiths isn't exactly the type of army he wanted to face. Moreover, he had no answers to my 4 flyers.
On the other hand, he hit the mother-lode in terms of powers/gifts. With only a 1 in 6 chance, Fateweaver got Forewarning. Now with the Grimoire, that means his Khorne deathstar will be getting 2++, with one of the Heralds having re-rollable 2++. And his DP....oh my goodness! You can't get any better than Iron Arm and Warp Speed for him, but on top of that, he gets Enfeeble as well! That means his Heralds on the charge will potentially be insta-gibbing my wraiths if he gets Enfeeble off on them.
I think I should be able to take this matchup, but with powers/gifts that Gary rolled, it isn't going to be as easy as I had thought. Good, I don't want any easy games.
Daemons advance. Every power goes off except Forewarning (unless I mention otherwise, assume psychic powers are cast successfully every turn). Good. That means his Khorne-star is vulnerable with only a 3++ save.
Necrons 1
Spoiler:
Without Forewarning, the wraiths smell blood and begin to swarm the Khorne-star.
However, my actual goal is to down Fatey and to finish him off in Assault. I train all my guns at him.
The other wraiths go after the Khorne-dogs. They will be my First Blood.
Barges bring Fatey down to just 1W remaining with shooting but fail to ground him.
Then it's onto Assault we go. I fail to get the First Blood as I kill 3 dogs and they kill 1.5 wraiths in return.
In the main assault, things go poorly for my wraiths and I begin to sweat. His re-rollable Herald is locked in a challenge with my D-lord. Both him and 1 crusher fail their Mindshackle tests. However, Skulltaker is a boss and insta-gibs 2 wraiths all by himself. The rest of the unit manages to kill another 1 wraith. In return, I do 15 wounds to the Khorne-star and my opponent proceeds to pass 14 out of 15 3++ saves!!!
Crap, I hope this isn't going to be one of those games....
Daemons 2
Spoiler:
Fatey has no choice but to fly off the table, but not before casting Forewarning on the Khorne-star.
2 units of plaguebearers come in, one in my deployment zone and the other in his.
A buffed-up DP goes after my annihilation barge (AB).
In close-combat, I can do nothing to his 2++ Khorne-star. However, he would fail both of his MSS tests once again and only manage to cause 1W to my wraiths this turn.
Here, Gary makes a huge mistake. He chooses to resolve this combat first. What he should have done was to do the DP-annihilation barge combat first for First Blood. If this were a casual game, I would have told him so. Alas, in tournament play, I believe you need to learn from your mistakes.
Fortunately for him, I fail to finish off his hounds. 1 hound with 1W remaining survives!
My opponent ends up getting First Blood anyways despite his big mistake. Lucky....
Daemons: 1, Necrons: 0
Necrons 2
Spoiler:
With no other real targets to go after, I go for his DP. Unfortunately for me, only 1 of my night scythes come in!
Despite being on the ground, I fail to kill his DP due to T7-8 from Iron Arm and good saves on his part. I think I do 1 or 2W to him.
We go straight to combat. Gary rolls poorly in combat, killing only 1 wraith. I then take out 1 Herald in combat and then 1 crusher with Daemonic Instability.
Daemons: 1, Necrons: 1
My other unit of wraiths finish off his lone flesh hound.
Daemons: 1, Necrons: 2
Daemons 3
Spoiler:
This turn, the tide begins to turn.
Plaguebearers come in but scatter off the table. My opponent then rolls a on the Mishap table - they are destroyed! Now he has a decision to make. Does he use Fatey's re-roll now or save it for later. He decides to save it for later.
Daemons: 1, Necrons: 3
It's actually a good thing he saved the re-roll, because the Khorne-star would fail their Grimoire attempt! He then uses Fatey's re-roll to pass the Grimoire.
Fatey comes in and goes after my wraiths. BTW, this turn, his DP Enfeebles the unit of wraiths that Fatey is about to shoot down!
Aaaargh! Disaster strikes for my opponent as he Perils with Fatey on box-cars (6,6) while trying to cast Flickering Fire. The Perils also kill off Fatey, who only had 1W remaining.
Daemons: 1, Necrons: 4
Karanak, who had split off from the unit of Turn 1, charges into the main melee.
His DP charges another AB. He immobilizes it and takes off its secondary gun, but it is still alive.
My opponent's woes continue. He whiffs brutally in combat. None of his guys have passed Mindshackles all game. I then wipe out his bloodcrushers and Karanak evaporates through Daemonic Instability as well!
Daemons: 1, Necrons: 6
Wow, what a brutal turn for my opponent. I actually felt really bad for him this turn and was secretly rooting for him to kill my wraiths. Unfortunately, his dice just took a major dump this turn.
Necrons 3
Spoiler:
Bye bye Daemon Prince. It was nice knowing you.
He actually survives my shooting!
Wraiths and 1 flyer goes after his plaguebearers on my objective.
I shoot down 3.
Assault finishes off the rest.
Daemons: 1, Necrons: 7
I then assault his DP.
Mindshackle forces the DP to insta-gib himself (S6 + Staff of Change + Iron Arm).
Daemons: 1, Necrons: 8
Daemons 4
Spoiler:
Grinder shoots down 1 wraith.
In combat, I finish off his re-rollable Herald and he finishes off my lone wraith.
Necrons 4
Spoiler:
Now it's just a matter of clean-up.
Flyers zig-zag around.
I go after his last troops.
Wraithstar assaults the grinder.
He loses both the grinder....
....and Skulltaker in combat.
My opponent only has 1 troop left on the table and next turn, I will be assaulting them with my wraiths. With that, my opponent concedes.
Crushing Victory to the Metallic Dead - Necrons!!!
That was a brutal game for my opponent. It started off well enough for him - me failing to hurt his Khorne-star with only 3++ saves, me failing to get the easy First Blood and with only 1 of my flyers coming in on T2. Then on T3, his dice just took a nosedive. Almost everything that could have gone wrong for him did. But Gary was very cool about it despite his awful dice and he took it with a smile (though a painful one). It was a pleasure playing against Gary. He was one of my favorite opponents in the event because of his great attitude and I would gladly give him a rematch if ever we meet again in the future.
This message was edited 8 times. Last update was at 2014/04/15 03:02:14
Red Corsair wrote: It is hilariously sad however when no one recognizes some one like Wapel. I intentionally held back for a while just to see if anyone else would recognize him, apparently not. It just shows the community isn't recognizing these aspects anymore.
The what now?
I saw an awful lot of people stopping and checking out his army, and chatting to him about it. He was most definitely 'recognised'.
The fact that the guy who won the event got more attention than the guy with the prettiest army is hardly a sign that there is something wrong with the community.
I mean online after the fact. I here WAY more chatter on dakka about top 16. Sorry to be unclear.
It was a competitive event. There will be alot of chatter on who won, who lost, whose dice screwed them, etc. Just look at those pictures. Any given painter, modeler etc does not stand out in cases like that. And you can go on the internet and find lots of "pro" painters
2014/04/14 15:17:52
Subject: Jy2 Goes to Adepticon (WARNING - Lots of Pics!)
Red Corsair wrote: It is hilariously sad however when no one recognizes some one like Wapel. I intentionally held back for a while just to see if anyone else would recognize him, apparently not. It just shows the community isn't recognizing these aspects anymore.
The what now?
I saw an awful lot of people stopping and checking out his army, and chatting to him about it. He was most definitely 'recognised'.
The fact that the guy who won the event got more attention than the guy with the prettiest army is hardly a sign that there is something wrong with the community.
I mean online after the fact. I here WAY more chatter on dakka about top 16. Sorry to be unclear.
It was a competitive event. There will be alot of chatter on who won, who lost, whose dice screwed them, etc. Just look at those pictures. Any given painter, modeler etc does not stand out in cases like that. And you can go on the internet and find lots of "pro" painters
That's a very fair point.
Automatically Appended Next Post: @jy2- can't wait to see this. Your list is a 5th to 6th adaption basically trading ghost arcs for NS and not utilizing allies at all which I am a fan of. Through back I suppose . I have been using only primary detachment myself lately. I fear the adepticon mission packet is working against you though. Maybe .
This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2014/04/14 15:24:12
Not that its a terribly big deal, but you said the tzeentch prince instakilled himself in combat while having ironarm up-he can't do that as ironarm gives eternal warrior to the caster. You probably would have still wiped him out it seems, but good to know.
2013 Nova Open Tournament Champ- 2014 Las Vegas Open Best Tau Player/13th overall 2014 NOVA Open Second to One 2015 Las Vegas Open Best Tau Player/10th overall
thanatos67 wrote: Not that its a terribly big deal, but you said the tzeentch prince instakilled himself in combat while having ironarm up-he can't do that as ironarm gives eternal warrior to the caster. You probably would have still wiped him out it seems, but good to know.
Good catch. We forgot about that, though he only had 1 or 2W left anyways with my Lord yet to attack.
I do love your reports, some of the most detailed and fun to read ones on Dakka and show case high level play very well.
The only thing i would of liked to see was if you used your Tyranids instead as i find your Necron list, well to be blunt, a little bit repetitive. That is no indication on you and just my personal preference but i am simply thinking i would of preferred you to play an army not commonly referred to as top tier and still win as who doesn't like to route for the underdog? It's hard to be the underdog when you are trolling with MSS :(
2014/04/15 12:51:31
Subject: Jy2 Goes to Adepticon (WARNING - Lots of Pics! Game #1 on p.3)
ALEXisAWESOME wrote: I do love your reports, some of the most detailed and fun to read ones on Dakka and show case high level play very well.
The only thing i would of liked to see was if you used your Tyranids instead as i find your Necron list, well to be blunt, a little bit repetitive. That is no indication on you and just my personal preference but i am simply thinking i would of preferred you to play an army not commonly referred to as top tier and still win as who doesn't like to route for the underdog? It's hard to be the underdog when you are trolling with MSS :(
I think the point JY2 is trying to make is that this list is still competitive in today's meta.
2014/04/15 13:32:07
Subject: Jy2 Goes to Adepticon (WARNING - Lots of Pics! Game #1 on p.3)
Weird choice to have Nurgle's Soulgrinder with Baleful torrent. It has no reach and when it eventually gets anywhere it can't use the torrent as everyone is already in CC. That said I run mine with the same setup
2014/04/15 14:37:49
Subject: Jy2 Goes to Adepticon (WARNING - Lots of Pics! Game #1 on p.3)
A very interesting list on your opponent, but some of it doesn't make sense.
I don't see the point of MoN over MoS on that grinder, MoS is amazing with that setup.
That heraldstar is really cool! The only problem is mindshackle scarabs kill them without repurcussion, especially with daemons having such low native leadership.
Argel Tal and Cyrene: Still a better love story than Twilight
2014/04/15 14:42:58
Subject: Jy2 Goes to Adepticon (WARNING - Lots of Pics! Game #1 on p.3)
thanatos67 wrote: Not that its a terribly big deal, but you said the tzeentch prince instakilled himself in combat while having ironarm up-he can't do that as ironarm gives eternal warrior to the caster. You probably would have still wiped him out it seems, but good to know.
Good catch. We forgot about that, though he only had 1 or 2W left anyways with my Lord yet to attack.
Not to mention the extra toughness (so the DP would be min. T6 ergo immune to insta-gibbing except by force or weapons with ID) which is all negated by it having EW :-P
Why did Karanak only get involved turn 3? It looks like he split off from the other heralds, and could have gotten involved in either wraiths vs. flesh hounds or the crushers vs. wraiths combat pretty easily. Also why did he not enfeeble the wraiths turn 2? That could have been huge, especially with Karanak charging in with his 6 Str6 attacks re-rolling to hit and to wound, not to mention it'd make the crushers harder to hurt(T5 majority) and they'd be wounding more easily against the wraiths.
herpguy wrote: A very interesting list on your opponent, but some of it doesn't make sense.
I don't see the point of MoN over MoS on that grinder, MoS is amazing with that setup.
That heraldstar is really cool! The only problem is mindshackle scarabs kill them without repurcussion, especially with daemons having such low native leadership.
The way round it is to get the charge, as MSS and scarabs both occur before blows are struck you choose to resolve MSS before issuing/accepting challenges, that way you get a bloodcrusher to suck up the MSS test, while the herald goes to town on the DLord in the challenge. However as Jy2 got the charge (controlling player) he gets to choose the order of MSS and challenges.
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/04/15 14:45:17
Armies: Crimson Fists, Orks, Eldar
2014/04/15 15:41:57
Subject: Re:Jy2 Goes to Adepticon (WARNING - Lots of Pics! Game #1 on p.3)
Shandara wrote: Mind-shackle trumps daemons again I see, poor Heralds.
Yeah, I think Necrons can match up well against certain Daemon armies. They've got teslas to take on those FMC's and Mindshackles for the really nasty CC-daemons.
I would have loved to play against Nick Nanavati's tournament-winning FMC daemons to test out my theory.
Iechine wrote: I always read your stuff and have wondered for a while, how do you keep track of everything that happened for your reports?
Do you note things down on paper as the game goes or does your memory serve you particularly well for batreps?
I only take notes for psychic powers, warlord traits and things like that. Otherwise, I go by pictures and memory. Pictures really do help a lot to recall the battle, especially when you use markers to let the audience know what is happening (for example, I use dice to show how many have died in close combat).
ALEXisAWESOME wrote: I do love your reports, some of the most detailed and fun to read ones on Dakka and show case high level play very well.
The only thing i would of liked to see was if you used your Tyranids instead as i find your Necron list, well to be blunt, a little bit repetitive. That is no indication on you and just my personal preference but i am simply thinking i would of preferred you to play an army not commonly referred to as top tier and still win as who doesn't like to route for the underdog? It's hard to be the underdog when you are trolling with MSS :(
I promise, the next major GT I attend will be with bugs. Don't worry, they will get their time to shine. But for this tourney, I felt that I still had something to prove (or to test out) with my crons.
Also keep in mind that, as much as I like to write my reports to share with the audience, ultimately, what I take to the tournament is my choice/preference and that I love all my armies equally. Bugs will get their chance. It's just that Adepticon wasn't it.
Naw wrote: Weird choice to have Nurgle's Soulgrinder with Baleful torrent. It has no reach and when it eventually gets anywhere it can't use the torrent as everyone is already in CC. That said I run mine with the same setup
herpguy wrote: A very interesting list on your opponent, but some of it doesn't make sense.
I don't see the point of MoN over MoS on that grinder, MoS is amazing with that setup.
That heraldstar is really cool! The only problem is mindshackle scarabs kill them without repurcussion, especially with daemons having such low native leadership.
Personally, I'd go with the MoS on the grinder also. I don't know why exactly he chose to give it the MoN, but I have a feeling that he uses it more as a defensive counter-assault unit than an aggressively forward-rushing unit. In such a case, the Shroud ability of the MoN is probably better.
Yeah, MSS is a daemon player's worst nightmare. I've killed many a FMC with them.
CaptainJay wrote: Why did Karanak only get involved turn 3? It looks like he split off from the other heralds, and could have gotten involved in either wraiths vs. flesh hounds or the crushers vs. wraiths combat pretty easily. Also why did he not enfeeble the wraiths turn 2? That could have been huge, especially with Karanak charging in with his 6 Str6 attacks re-rolling to hit and to wound, not to mention it'd make the crushers harder to hurt(T5 majority) and they'd be wounding more easily against the wraiths.
I think he uses Karanak to hunt down MSU troops and such. Him rushing into combat was a last-ditched desperation attempt by my opponent to try to turn the tide of combat.
I didn't mention it, but he did Enfeeble one of my wraithstars on T2. It's just that I was making my saves and he didn't roll so well on his attacks.
On T3, he decided to Enfeeble my freed unit of wraiths so that Fatey could shoot them down.
His crushers were majority T5 throughout the battle.
Have you considered unit of ~30 hormagaunts with poison? Good, fast unit, capable of killing wraithknight in combat and much more, moreover nice tarpit, and its scoring. overall.
Also quad-gun on bastion is fine.
Venom&Zoan is nice choose, I would take it either myself. Harpy is interesting, better than triple crone?
6000
2014/04/15 23:30:09
Subject: Jy2 Goes to Adepticon (WARNING - Lots of Pics!)
Red Corsair wrote: Heres an example, in your list of photos is James Wapel and his AMAZING guard army which took best army. Second year running actually. Heres his blog:
Thanks for pointing him out. I've seen his work online. I just didn't know that that was him at Adepticon. His army and display was just jaw-droppingly gorgeous.
SabrX wrote: Wow, so many beautifully painted armies! I look forward to reading this battle report. I also look forward to seeing what list Jy2 brought.
Hi SabrX, long time no talk.
I look forwards to the day you come back to 40K. Sisters FTW!
DirtyDeeds wrote: Thanks for the very detailed and interesting report on Adepticon! It's very interesting and incredibly enlightening!
You're welcome!
Red Corsair wrote: @jy2- can't wait to see this. Your list is a 5th to 6th adaption basically trading ghost arcs for NS and not utilizing allies at all which I am a fan of. Through back I suppose . I have been using only primary detachment myself lately. I fear the adepticon mission packet is working against you though. Maybe .
Yeah, while I do run competitive armies, I prefer to keep allies to a minimal. I'm more of a "purist" in that I prefer to run pure armies as opposed to adding in allies and all that new stuff.
I feel that the Necrons are still so strong that no matter what type of mission/opponent you throw at them, they still have a decent chance for victory. Wraithwing necrons are incredibly balanced if anything.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
SwistakCZC wrote: Have you considered unit of ~30 hormagaunts with poison? Good, fast unit, capable of killing wraithknight in combat and much more, moreover nice tarpit, and its scoring. overall.
Also quad-gun on bastion is fine.
Venom&Zoan is nice choose, I would take it either myself. Harpy is interesting, better than triple crone?
Hormagants with poison is just too expensive for my taste. I will run them for fun, but I most likely won't be taking them in my tournament TAC bug list.
Harpy is mainly because of the points. Currently, if I take 3x Crones, I would have to drop something, either the Comms, my 10-gant unit or 1 biovore. Harpy lets me keep them. He can also be quite useful against Imperial Knights, which will be more prevalent in future tournaments, and for his anti-infantry capabilities as well.
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/04/15 23:34:44
I am very psyched that the new IG book (stupid renaming) looks to be very doable as a purist. If I ally at all it will be for modeling purposes for my iron warriors/sm counts as army. Something about iron warriors goading conscripts in prison orange into a meat grinder makes me grin ear to ear
Its been hard these last few months making pure DE lists that have much variety while having an edge.
Necrons have the advantage of being a dex with durable entries, those books generally age better then the armies with fragile units from my experience. I think they will be good until their update, then heaven help us! I look forward to MSS possibly getting nerfed but dread what new large kit they probably will gain Super sized space shrimp anyone?
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/04/16 01:10:39
jy2 wrote: Yeah, I think Necrons can match up well against certain Daemon armies. They've got teslas to take on those FMC's and Mindshackles for the really nasty CC-daemons.
I would have loved to play against Nick Nanavati's tournament-winning FMC daemons to test out my theory.
My friend who I playtest against most frequently plays a version of FMC Spam Daemons, and in my experience it's a slightly uphill battle for the Necrons. Especially if the Daemon player is smart enough to recognize that Biomancy doesn't really do much for them and roll on Telepathy instead (or brings Be'lakor). Terrify and Hallucinate really make Wraith squads sad (especially when backed by Fateweaver's reroll for the Hallucinate table). I haven't tried it with 3 Wraith squads though, maybe that would swing things. It's definitely a close match and getting 2nd turn is almost required for the Necrons to have a chance.
The biggest problem is that while Tesla does a good job of hitting and wounding, the 3+ Reroll 1's Armor save is a pain to get through. And with Fateweaver's reroll in your turn, it's a pain to ground the FMCs so that the Wraiths can actually do something.
on the Mishap table - they are destroyed! Now he has a decision to make. Does he use Fatey's re-roll now or save it for later. He decides to save it for later.
.....Bay Area Open GT 2013 - Best Tyranids 
.....LVO GT 2014 Team Tournament - Best Generals
7000
1000
3000 
. I have been using only primary detachment myself lately. I fear the adepticon mission packet is working against you though. Maybe 
Grand (little) Army of Chaos, now painting! (
