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 Alpharius wrote:

weeble1000 wrote:
And people said, "oh the big things the FFG CEO was talking about coming in 2014 aren't Star Wars related. FFG isn't slowly invading GWs market with its Star Wars license. X-Wing isn't really a miniatures game. FFG is putting out SO MUCH Warhammer stuff..."

Yea, whatcha sayin' now? I hate to say I told you so but...no, I don't hate that at all. I friggin told you so. This and Armada was what the FFG CEO was referring to. Not a new Disckwars product.

Er...who are you talking to?

There was that thread about the FFG CEO's ICV2 interview. He was talking up X-Wing and and hinting at very exciting things the company is working on. I made some comments about FFG's Star Wars license and the company's growth into ever more direct competition with GW and there was some...rather spirited...disagreement.



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NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I don't know. This is a BARELY re-skinned Descent Version 2.0, and from the sound of "Skirmish" game, I am assuming they mean Heroclix level of "mini-war-gaming" at best.

The models seem nice, but this was not the infantry-model based game Star Wars deserves IMO.

Baby steps man, baby steps. Star Wars infantry scale miniatures from a successful and growing table top gaming company experiencing substantive growth on the back of a Star Wars license is the tip of the iceberg.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I don't know. This is a BARELY re-skinned Descent Version 2.0, and from the sound of "Skirmish" game, I am assuming they mean Heroclix level of "mini-war-gaming" at best.

The models seem nice, but this was not the infantry-model based game Star Wars deserves IMO.

One step at the time. If this is successful, they can easily expand to tabletop world, and people who bought this have models which probably will be compatible with that.
Two games in same box-approach is clever in principle, of course it remains to be seen how well the "skirmish" game will go over.

Personally I am not interested however, I have played Descent through and through, and there is only so much dungeon crawling I can take.

weeble1000 wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I don't know. This is a BARELY re-skinned Descent Version 2.0, and from the sound of "Skirmish" game, I am assuming they mean Heroclix level of "mini-war-gaming" at best.

The models seem nice, but this was not the infantry-model based game Star Wars deserves IMO.

Baby steps man, baby steps. Star Wars infantry scale miniatures from a successful and growing table top gaming company experiencing substantive growth on the back of a Star Wars license is the tip of the iceberg.

The important part is the minis being available. After that, 40k, Deadzone, Infinity or Warpath could all be modded to various sizes of Star Wars game.

weeble1000 wrote:


Baby steps man, baby steps. Star Wars infantry scale miniatures from a successful and growing table top gaming company experiencing substantive growth on the back of a Star Wars license is the tip of the iceberg.

FFG dumps Dust due to Disney's renegotiated license with a non-compete clause. I'd bet money that this is what happened. I also bet this SW:A is the board/skirmish game, with a full 28mm wargame to follow in 2016.

weeble1000 wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

weeble1000 wrote:
And people said, "oh the big things the FFG CEO was talking about coming in 2014 aren't Star Wars related. FFG isn't slowly invading GWs market with its Star Wars license. X-Wing isn't really a miniatures game. FFG is putting out SO MUCH Warhammer stuff..."

Yea, whatcha sayin' now? I hate to say I told you so but...no, I don't hate that at all. I friggin told you so. This and Armada was what the FFG CEO was referring to. Not a new Disckwars product.

Er...who are you talking to?

There was that thread about the FFG CEO's ICV2 interview. He was talking up X-Wing and and hinting at very exciting things the company is working on. I made some comments about FFG's Star Wars license and the company's growth into ever more direct competition with GW and there was some...rather spirited...disagreement.

That's quite, eh, interesting way to reminisce it. As I recall it, the disagreement was about the suggestion made by you (or someone like-minded) that a tabletop Star Wars game would immediately make gamers give up 40k and put GW out of business.

 Red Viper wrote:

 Red Viper wrote:
Too much. Way too much news this week. Why did I have a second kid?

/passesout

/wakesup

Whew. I hope they have different eras. Three main reasons: young obi wan, darth maul, mace windu.

Plus, then maybe we could go waaay back and get some real badass sith and Jedi. Have some all star skirmish games...

/passesout

YES. The Old Republic would be a great time to set it. They also need to have a Hutt smuggler/bounty hunter faction.

That AT-ST looks pretty great IMO, figures look solid in general. Many of the WOTC pre-paints weren't bad sculpts if you stripped off the goopy thick paint. Hopefully its the same scale.

Looks good

If it's 28-30mm then I can see me putting a lot of money into this.

Knowing my luck it will be a different scale that looks rubbish in my collection...at least my wallet won't take a hit then I suppose:(

 judgedoug wrote:

weeble1000 wrote:


Baby steps man, baby steps. Star Wars infantry scale miniatures from a successful and growing table top gaming company experiencing substantive growth on the back of a Star Wars license is the tip of the iceberg.

FFG dumps Dust due to Disney's renegotiated license with a non-compete clause. I'd bet money that this is what happened. I also bet this SW:A is the board/skirmish game, with a full 28mm wargame to follow in 2016.

I bet you're right. I was a devoted Dust player, and i'm sorry but their excuse for selling the brand did not fly at the time, nor now. They claimed they were not a "miniatures company" and couldn't really support the game in a tournament way, etc... while at the same time building the titan that is X-wing.

If you guys are correct though I will likely be thrilled. FFG DOES have the resources and sense to build amazing, competitive miniatures games. X-wing isn't just doing well because it is Star Wars... it is partly doing well because the rules are clean, simple, and *ahem* a weapon for a more civilized age, all while being priced well-enough.

A company that keeps all those values in the mix would definitely be the kind of company I would like to see steward a real 28mm war-game.

And lets be honest... a monkey could write cleaner rules than modern 40k.... so something a hair lighter, a lot clearer, and featuring large numbers of Star Wars models, vehicles, etc... that would be a dream-come-true. If you think they're rocking my wallet now... i'd be DOOMED if they did this one. ;-)

Backfire wrote:

weeble1000 wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

weeble1000 wrote:
And people said, "oh the big things the FFG CEO was talking about coming in 2014 aren't Star Wars related. FFG isn't slowly invading GWs market with its Star Wars license. X-Wing isn't really a miniatures game. FFG is putting out SO MUCH Warhammer stuff..."

Yea, whatcha sayin' now? I hate to say I told you so but...no, I don't hate that at all. I friggin told you so. This and Armada was what the FFG CEO was referring to. Not a new Disckwars product.

Er...who are you talking to?

There was that thread about the FFG CEO's ICV2 interview. He was talking up X-Wing and and hinting at very exciting things the company is working on. I made some comments about FFG's Star Wars license and the company's growth into ever more direct competition with GW and there was some...rather spirited...disagreement.

That's quite, eh, interesting way to reminisce it. As I recall it, the disagreement was about the suggestion made by you (or someone like-minded) that a tabletop Star Wars game would immediately make gamers give up 40k and put GW out of business.

That's quite, eh, interesting way to reminisce it. As I recall it, that was how...certain...individuals selectively misinterpreted what I had said.

weeble1000 wrote:
It means FFG doesn't need GW, doesn't care about GW, and will happily let other products eclipse GW.

"In terms of continuity, we’ve been very happy to work with Lucasfilm; frankly they are a great licensor (and I don’t say that because I have to)."

In other words, GW is a terrible licensor and I'm much happier working with Star Wars, and making a lot more money. In fact, Star Wars is a much better license than LoTR, so, Hey GW, go feth yourselves! Oh, and a little salt in the wound for you, our LoTR LCG is doing GREAT!

That's what I said after reading the interview, and some people seemed to take offense to the way in which I imagined the FFG CEO giving GW the proverbial finger in a tongue and cheek manner.

Later, I said the following:

weeble1000 wrote:
The point is that FFG has acquired a license that GW is terrified of: Star Wars. Star Wars not only dwarfs the profit-fueling power of GW's LoTR license and buries the needle compared to Warhammer 40K, but FFG also has a license to LoTR and is producing more successful products with that license than GW is.

With all of that context, you don't find it significant that the FFG CEO does not mention GW at all? I think the writing on the wall is plain for anyone to see. FFG is not beholden to GW, FFG is not dependent on GW, and FFG is a fast-growing threat to GW's market share.

and this:

weeble1000 wrote:
Because FFG got a license to Star Wars, it was able to launch a table top miniatures game that unequivocally competes directly with Games Workshop's products. And it has thus far been a very successful product with acres of expansion potential. That's the danger and that's why Star Wars makes GW nervous. If it doesn't, it should. FFG has spun Star Wars into a successful RPG, LCG, and table top miniature wargame with a font of raw potential remaining.

And now we are seeing the beginnings of exactly what I was talking about: "a font of raw potential remaining." Now FFG has a starfighter skirmish game, a capital ship game, and an infantry scale boxed game with a skirmish game allegedly in the pipe. And a LCG and an RPG on top of that.

The problem is that you seem to have interpreted the phrase "fast-growing threat to GW's market share" as "the suggestion...that a tabletop Star Wars game would immediately make gamers give up 40k and put GW out of business."

As I said, selective misinterpretation. So before you go around starting off topic debates about who said what, maybe you should re-read the original thread. I remember what I wrote. You clearly do not.

FFG is really getting good use out of that license.

I just got deadzone last week. I will play that for now, but I'm keeping a very close eye on this. I'll likely get this anyway just for a sci fi dungeon crawler, but if the skirmish game is as good as FFGs other products, I could see it taking over for Deadzone.

This has me more excited than X Wing ever did because, well, lightsabers.

If they mash up eras, I will go crazy. I foresee FFG getting a lot of my money the next year, especially with another Star Wars trilogy about to come out.

Genius moves by FFG. It's funny when companies that make strategy games are so poor at strategy in real life. Certainly not the case with FFG.

Getting so close to a 28mm tabletop SW game I can sense it!

Not sure whether to buy into this just in the hopes that one day I will get my multi-part plastic Stormtrooper kit that I have wanted for years...

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Dear God: Please send money.

FFG is just cranking out some incredibly good looking stuff lately.

And not giving us a chance to save for Christmas.

If there is a proper tabletop wargame made down the line, I hope it's based off the prequels as imo ground combat was better developed for it, not to mention more balanced. It's *not* just because I love Droidekas...

Did anyone who has seen these in person mention what size they were? Are they closer to 25mm than 28mm like Descent?

~Eric

Just saw some demo vids here

http://www.veooz.com/topic/imperial_assault.html

Maybe one of you guys can work out the scale from clues there? (I'm too tired to try to play sherlock at the moment.

Heard all good things from Gencon about all FFG.

If this is the beginning of the evolution of 40k -> SW, I'm in.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
If this is the beginning of the evolution of 40k -> SW, I'm in.

Be careful. Lucas was notorious for not renewing licenses. I'm not sure how Disney is but I don't see any evidence they'll change.

Hasnt seemed to stop FFG currently. 3 games in rapid succession as well as having 3 new movies coming out over the next few years to build rights and new minis and games.

I'd say FFG is in the best position to do it very rapidly.

Who knows, Disney could even buy GW. Niche for them - but leverage for the future.

 Breotan wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
If this is the beginning of the evolution of 40k -> SW, I'm in.

Be careful. Lucas was notorious for not renewing licenses. I'm not sure how Disney is but I don't see any evidence they'll change.

You can set your watch by it.

FFG is now riding the Gravy Train. Jump on for a ride for the fresh new car smell while it is hot. Wonder if they scale up with those figures in Toys R us I saw that were on par with Castles and Catapults: the Star Wars Edition?

Anyone see these figures in the flesh, do they come in hard plastic, or are they board game piece plastic?

How will they sell these figures in expansion form?

If they 28-30mm they will sell well based on the miniatures alone.

If they come out with faction boxes (20 Stormtroopers for $25, or something similar) those will fly off shelves

34 minis for 100 bucks? I've seen people complain about more minis for a similar price, though the $70 discounted preorder makes it look a bit more enticing. And the walker is pretty damn beefy too.

I'm still kind of burnt out from GenCon, I skimmed the description, did they say what type of plastic? Had I known this was under the big FFG flags I might have checked it out. I kind of skipped them 'cause I haven't felt like getting into the space battles with ships scene as of yet.

Depending on how you're supposed to use the tiles, Battle Systems looks like a good fit for this (unless you want ultra tight corridors and really cramped spaces, BS tends to be a little more sprawling).

I'll personally be abstaining, I'm not sure how I feel about the tiles and whatnot, and it looks almost overly complicated with the gear cards and stuff. Plus I only kind of like star wars, maybe as an RPG setting, otherwise it only pushes some buttons for me, not a lot. Deadzone and Infinity will likely remain my skirmish games of choice, though I certainly wouldn't turn down playing a game of this with someone else's set in the future...

I'd personally be interested in it to use for my RPG gaming adventures. If there is a nice selection on NPC models, $2-3 a model wouldn't be outrageous.

Right now I'm just hoping they for something similar to Zombicide's box o' zombies format for extra figures.

Yeah, I could almost get behind buying a pack of extra figures before I wanted to get into the game.

 GrimDork wrote:
34 minis for 100 bucks? .

Well, no, not exactly. It's 100 bucks for a boxed game that includes 34 minis.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Who knows, Disney could even buy GW. Niche for them - but leverage for the future.

This assumes Disney even know GW exists.

Ahh, yes, I wasn't descriptive enough. I was talking about the same situation with my comment. I fully realize it isn't just 34 dudes in a cardboard box with some packing peanuts

Though, from my perspective where I am more likely to get most of my mileage out of the painting of the models, the tiles, cards, and even the rule system are not necessarily as valuable to me as they may be someone else. It's all subjective.

I wasn't trying to say it sounded overpriced so much as I was trying to say I've heard others call similar products as such. When you consider the fact that it's a major IP you kind of have to expect a little bloat from that too anyway. Plus it's Star Wars, that will matter first for a lot of people before the value.

Star Wars is a big selling point for me yeah. I love the really expanded settings that I can wallow in, so long as they don't get trashed by Murderfaces... though I imagine if I dug around in SW deep enough I'd run across some pretty bad fluff ; p

 adamsouza wrote:
I'd personally be interested in it to use for my RPG gaming adventures. If there is a nice selection on NPC models, $2-3 a model wouldn't be outrageous.

Hmm...

I hadn't considered the "companion" side of this, where the models pull double duty for the SW RPG's. Now that is interesting.

Yeah I liked Thrawn alright, but I'm not as sure about the ewok-replacement-cat-people-things featured in the same setting.

weeble1000 wrote:

Backfire wrote:


That's quite, eh, interesting way to reminisce it. As I recall it, the disagreement was about the suggestion made by you (or someone like-minded) that a tabletop Star Wars game would immediately make gamers give up 40k and put GW out of business.

That's quite, eh, interesting way to reminisce it. As I recall it, that was how...certain...individuals selectively misinterpreted what I had said.

No, that was pretty much exactly what was said in the thread. Don't recall if it was you or someone else, though.

weeble1000 wrote:
It means FFG doesn't need GW, doesn't care about GW, and will happily let other products eclipse GW.

"In terms of continuity, we’ve been very happy to work with Lucasfilm; frankly they are a great licensor (and I don’t say that because I have to)."

In other words, GW is a terrible licensor and I'm much happier working with Star Wars, and making a lot more money. In fact, Star Wars is a much better license than LoTR, so, Hey GW, go feth yourselves! Oh, and a little salt in the wound for you, our LoTR LCG is doing GREAT!

That's what I said after reading the interview, and some people seemed to take offense to the way in which I imagined the FFG CEO giving GW the proverbial finger in a tongue and cheek manner.

And you wonder why, because that was truly stupid conclusion to make from the interview.