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I think the posing and actual concept of the artwork is good, just the skill of the artist seems pretty mediocre by the standards of a $70 book, and the rest of the dexes seem to be much better

 Las wrote:
This board is starting to become becoming a parody of itself.

Maybe if GW released a good product people wouldn't complain so much? What do you want us to do? Shut up and go away? Continue paying for a product we think is sub-par? If you hear a lot of complaining, maybe there's something to complain about.

Ever hear the expression piss or get off the pot?

 Las wrote:
Ever hear the expression piss or get off the pot?

And everyone's pissing. Specifically, pissing on Games Workshop.

Okay Las, Let's reverse it here. If quitting is the only solution to not liking something then why are you still on Dakka?

 dementedwombat wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
Yeah well this is ridiculous.

I dig that IG and the occasional Smurf wants to have an Assassin at his side as well. But stripping the assassins away from the GK codex (which otherwise already is pretty mundane without additional flavor) and selling it separately as an army book that contains 4 units is plain money robbing

Nothing new here. Assassins have been in a strange place ever since 3rd edition.

Goes back further than that. Assassins were just "imperial agents" in 2nd Edition.

Tying them into the Grey Knights was what was weird and out of character for 40K. Not taking them away from it.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

 dementedwombat wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
Yeah well this is ridiculous.

I dig that IG and the occasional Smurf wants to have an Assassin at his side as well. But stripping the assassins away from the GK codex (which otherwise already is pretty mundane without additional flavor) and selling it separately as an army book that contains 4 units is plain money robbing

Nothing new here. Assassins have been in a strange place ever since 3rd edition.

Goes back further than that. Assassins were just "imperial agents" in 2nd Edition.

Tying them into the Grey Knights was what was weird and out of character for 40K. Not taking them away from it.

At the same time it was also what elevated GKs from a niche army barely anyone played, to a "full" army like Smurfs, Eldar, Tau etc.

I thought it was "being ridiculously overpowered top tier codex" that did that, lol.

I mean, unless the sudden popularity of the Tau is just that Games Workshop discovered a hidden demographic that hadn't been tapped into.

That Grey Knight picture looks so bad ass.

You know, i didn't actually start playing this game FOR the rules and i probably never WILL be as 'affronted" as some competitive types DO get about that stuff. There was, by the way, a Codex called Daemon Hunters and you'll recall that it lacked most of thestuff that got added in this last one. So i mean... Really? Who cares? You can Dual Cad your way to happiness and recreate the old Inquisitorial Storm Troopers addition using Militarum Tempestus OR Astra Militarum. You can still use the Assassin i suppose. In other words... what have they REALLY done but made the book more about Grey Knights and less about Coteaz Shenanigans?

And you can still include HIM too! Codex Inquisition is right there for ya'

I started playing because OH MY GOD, they had ROBOTECH models that I could actually play games with. SOLD. You think i cared what the rules were then? Nope.

So I suggest people look at their model collections in AWE, for they really ARE the best in the industry and thank the Gawds that anyone even came up with this awesome game. It'll never be perfect. it'll never be {fill in the blanks of your favorite bitch in this spot right here}. But those models are AWESOME, it's why DakkaDakka even EXISTS and you're posting in it.

So do all the nerd raging you can but in the end: stop pretending like its not awesome. Because no game has come CLOSE to the following this one has and you're all very much members of that frternity even when you dont want to admit it.

 Crimson Devil wrote:
On the bright side. All of the codexes should be out before they declare bankruptcy. Probably still won't have my Bretonnian book by then though.

Since I see no smiley with tongue sticking out, not sure if serious or not. Looks like you are serious since I can't detect any sarcasm here, can you please explain why GW would release everything in hard cover first before going bankrupt. That makes no sense. GW doesn't care if people get their hard covers if they go kaput.

Second. GW is not going bankrupt. They don't owe anyone money, they are still in the black and making profit. Small profit but none the less, it's still profit, in the Black and don't OWE any money. So why are thy going bankrupt?

GW's dividends have been INSANE since 2010.

Davor wrote:


Since I see no smiley with tongue sticking out, not sure if serious or not. Looks like you are serious since I can't detect any sarcasm here, can you please explain why GW would release everything in hard cover first before going bankrupt. That makes no sense. GW doesn't care if people get their hard covers if they go kaput.

Second. GW is not going bankrupt. They don't owe anyone money, they are still in the black and making profit. Small profit but none the less, it's still profit, in the Black and don't OWE any money. So why are thy going bankrupt?

You do understand that most companies that go bankrupt don't look like it years in advance? You do also understand that currently being in the black doesn't mean they won't ever dip below? You also understand that the factors that caused their drop in revenue will continue to cause a drop in revenue, furthered by their statement that they do no market research, nor care what the market wants.

Put those together, and its not hyperbole to say that GW could be bankrupt in two years. It may take longer, it may take less time, but their current strategy doesn't appear to be stable.

Maybe you should read some business peoples' thoughts on the matter.

 Blacksails wrote:

Davor wrote:


Since I see no smiley with tongue sticking out, not sure if serious or not. Looks like you are serious since I can't detect any sarcasm here, can you please explain why GW would release everything in hard cover first before going bankrupt. That makes no sense. GW doesn't care if people get their hard covers if they go kaput.

Second. GW is not going bankrupt. They don't owe anyone money, they are still in the black and making profit. Small profit but none the less, it's still profit, in the Black and don't OWE any money. So why are thy going bankrupt?

You do understand that most companies that go bankrupt don't look like it years in advance? You do also understand that currently being in the black doesn't mean they won't ever dip below? You also understand that the factors that caused their drop in revenue will continue to cause a drop in revenue, furthered by their statement that they do no market research, nor care what the market wants.

Put those together, and its not hyperbole to say that GW could be bankrupt in two years. It may take longer, it may take less time, but their current strategy doesn't appear to be stable.

Maybe you should read some business peoples' thoughts on the matter.

Just been hearing and reading this for over 15 years. What makes you more correct than say the people who were saying this 15 years ago? I mean you can almost say the exact same thing was said back then that is said being now.

Because 15 years ago, GW enjoyed marketplace dominance that protected them from marketplace realities.

That is no longer the case and, as happened with TSR, these "upstart" gaming companies are eating GW's lunch.

I haven't been around for that full 15 years but in my time in the hobby I've never seen GWs profits fall 42% in a single year before, nor have I seen a time when it was easier to find a game of something other than 40k but in a growing number of areas the reality is mantic, warmahodes, infinity, x wing and Spartan games have taken over

THAT is the difference between then and now.

 Blacksails wrote:

Davor wrote:


Since I see no smiley with tongue sticking out, not sure if serious or not. Looks like you are serious since I can't detect any sarcasm here, can you please explain why GW would release everything in hard cover first before going bankrupt. That makes no sense. GW doesn't care if people get their hard covers if they go kaput.

Second. GW is not going bankrupt. They don't owe anyone money, they are still in the black and making profit. Small profit but none the less, it's still profit, in the Black and don't OWE any money. So why are thy going bankrupt?

You do understand that most companies that go bankrupt don't look like it years in advance? You do also understand that currently being in the black doesn't mean they won't ever dip below? You also understand that the factors that caused their drop in revenue will continue to cause a drop in revenue, furthered by their statement that they do no market research, nor care what the market wants.

Put those together, and its not hyperbole to say that GW could be bankrupt in two years. It may take longer, it may take less time, but their current strategy doesn't appear to be stable.

Maybe you should read some business peoples' thoughts on the matter.

Sorry but thats just a lot of if's. they're not going under. So.


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 Musashi363 wrote:

Mutilators, Wilford Brimley ogryns, 3rd edition obliterators, Nagash (old), tuarox, SW hover bathtub and khornedozer would like a word with you.

a couple bad models (and we dont agree in regards to the 3rd Edition Obliterators AT ALL, and I dont play apocalypse so Im not plagued with that crappy Khornedozer, yet) simply don't disprove the rule.

Haters gonna' hate though.

So I suggest people look at their model collections in AWE, for they really ARE the best in the industry and thank the Gawds that anyone even came up with this awesome game. It'll never be perfect. it'll never be {fill in the blanks of your favorite bitch in this spot right here}. But those models are AWESOME, it's why DakkaDakka even EXISTS and you're posting in it.

So do all the nerd raging you can but in the end: stop pretending like its not awesome. Because no game has come CLOSE to the following this one has and you're all very much members of that frternity even when you dont want to admit it.

Ehm.... Dungeons & Dragons had more players/fans, in its heyday, world-wide than 40K ever has ever seen. In fact, D&D might still have more players world-wide than 40K does. For gamer-nerds, D&D is the universal "fall back" game. Just met a new group of gamer-nerds? The one thing you can almost always count on is that they've played D&D.

Maybe 40K is a big deal in the table-top wargaming world (and, make no mistake, it is), but let us not pretend that it is the Greatest Game Ever Made.

By those comparisons, there are *lots* more nerd-fandoms with far greater market appeal and far, far larger playerbases.

As far as models are concerned? Once upon a time, yes. No longer. There are many, many studios consistently putting out better-quality miniatures at lower prices.

 Jancoran wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:

Davor wrote:


Since I see no smiley with tongue sticking out, not sure if serious or not. Looks like you are serious since I can't detect any sarcasm here, can you please explain why GW would release everything in hard cover first before going bankrupt. That makes no sense. GW doesn't care if people get their hard covers if they go kaput.

Second. GW is not going bankrupt. They don't owe anyone money, they are still in the black and making profit. Small profit but none the less, it's still profit, in the Black and don't OWE any money. So why are thy going bankrupt?

You do understand that most companies that go bankrupt don't look like it years in advance? You do also understand that currently being in the black doesn't mean they won't ever dip below? You also understand that the factors that caused their drop in revenue will continue to cause a drop in revenue, furthered by their statement that they do no market research, nor care what the market wants.

Put those together, and its not hyperbole to say that GW could be bankrupt in two years. It may take longer, it may take less time, but their current strategy doesn't appear to be stable.

Maybe you should read some business peoples' thoughts on the matter.

Sorry but thats just a lot of if's. they're not going under. So.


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 Musashi363 wrote:

Mutilators, Wilford Brimley ogryns, 3rd edition obliterators, Nagash (old), tuarox, SW hover bathtub and khornedozer would like a word with you.

a couple bad models (and we dont agree in regards to the 3rd Edition Obliterators AT ALL, and I dont play apocalypse so Im not plagued with that crappy Khornedozer, yet) simply don't disprove the rule.

Haters gonna' hate though.

What is Apocalypse , khornedozer is a core game unit. A hail the wisdom of making Super Heavies fit so well in with everything else . Plus GW models really aren't the good and crap technical point of view (they are so far behind the times in plastic production it not even funny). The LotR stuff, most of that was pretty but that don't disprove the rule .

 Jancoran wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:

Davor wrote:


Since I see no smiley with tongue sticking out, not sure if serious or not. Looks like you are serious since I can't detect any sarcasm here, can you please explain why GW would release everything in hard cover first before going bankrupt. That makes no sense. GW doesn't care if people get their hard covers if they go kaput.

Second. GW is not going bankrupt. They don't owe anyone money, they are still in the black and making profit. Small profit but none the less, it's still profit, in the Black and don't OWE any money. So why are thy going bankrupt?

You do understand that most companies that go bankrupt don't look like it years in advance? You do also understand that currently being in the black doesn't mean they won't ever dip below? You also understand that the factors that caused their drop in revenue will continue to cause a drop in revenue, furthered by their statement that they do no market research, nor care what the market wants.

Put those together, and its not hyperbole to say that GW could be bankrupt in two years. It may take longer, it may take less time, but their current strategy doesn't appear to be stable.

Maybe you should read some business peoples' thoughts on the matter.

Sorry but thats just a lot of if's. they're not going under. So.

Please point out the 'if's, I couldn't see any.

At this point we *are* at the point of GW going under in the next 1-3 years IF they don't do anything to change corse. Except GW hasn't shown any sign of doing that, in fact Kirby had a whole ramble about how they would stay the course because it is one that is focused on 'long term potential'.

 jonolikespie wrote:
I haven't been around for that full 15 years but in my time in the hobby I've never seen GWs profits fall 42% in a single year before, nor have I seen a time when it was easier to find a game of something other than 40k but in a growing number of areas the reality is mantic, warmahodes, infinity, x wing and Spartan games have taken over

THAT is the difference between then and now.

The ideas GW is putting into play right now might have worked better even 5 years ago. Today it's a dicey proposition because it is dependent on what that competition does. GW has taken a pretty big gamble on their market dominance. They are betting that the majority of 40k players will continue to accept the idea of buying not just a codex but also further supplements and/or other codexes to round out their armies. They know this means losing more "casual" players along the way (those with 1 army) but GW thinks the "hardcore" ones (those with more than 1 army) make up a huge proportion of their customer base. I don't know enough to say if that's right or wrong.

If the competition decides to adopt similar strategies, then things will balance out as players become acclimated to the new normal. If the competition doesn't, then you'll see GW to continue to slide. Honestly, I'd bet a number of the regular wargaming competitors go ahead and implement this because the concept is alluring. After all, when GW began increasing the prices of the models to the point of absurdity, the competitors were only a year or two behind. Sure they made fun videos and blog posts about GW's prices, then quietly did the exact same thing.

X-Wing is in a category that FFG has completely owned by solving a majority of the problems that GW has ignored or continued to make worse. Yes, Star Wars is a hot property no matter how you look at it; however, even titles in that subject matter can fail. What is FFG doing different? Streamlined, clear and simple rules for starters. Tournament play with support for retailers. Low model count - still absurd prices per model, but you don't need many so most people over look the $15+ price tag for something you used to get out of a gumball machine for a quarter. (Ok, the "models" are better than that, just not by much imho. Do any of them have more than 2 or 3 colors?).

Essentially FFG is like those Ready To Fly RC helicopters you can buy everywhere. Simple to operate, cheap and overly mass produced but it works with no BS. Meanwhile GW is still producing blocks of balsa you need to cut out yourself, while hoping you don't trim too much and that it isn't warped.... It's a completely different mindset and when I walk into one of the large local hobby shops and see 20 people playing SW and 6 playing 40k (on 40k night) then there is a clear winner. Side note: I find it incredibly funny that FFG implemented their game mechanics such that it actually could be used as a beer and pretzel / party game...

What GW needs to do is realize that they've created a bloated monster that needs the reset button pushed. Making it worse by scattering their product (the rules) across multiple dozens of publications isn't going to work long term....unless their main wargame competitors (mantic, privateer press, spartan, etc) decide to not think for themselves and follow suit. I don't think everyone that plays 40k would get the same enjoyment out of X-Wing, but they might out of something by PP or the others.

I sincerely hope those guys decide to not jump off the same cliff as GW. Namely because GW needs to take a real beating so they can find the motivation to truly reinvent themselves.

A game on it's Seventh Edition should not see game breaking and collection killing swathing changes. The Grey Knights book has to be the absolute worst release to date with its straight kick to the junk and literally nothing to show for it. There's no sugar coating it. Even the "haters" can't point to the new "must have" model because there are no new models.




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Davor wrote:


Just been hearing and reading this for over 15 years. What makes you more correct than say the people who were saying this 15 years ago? I mean you can almost say the exact same thing was said back then that is said being now.

There's at least 5 threads over, what, 40 pages long in the Dakka Discussions forum that cover this topic thoroughly. Here's the thing you can read, it's 15 or 16 parts long now and covers all the details from someone who's both a self proclaimed biggest fan boy and has corporate executive knowledge of an internationally recognized company larger than Games Workshop:

http://masterminis.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-future-of-games-days-games-workshop.html

Read that series, read those threads, and then come back. You'll probably be looking at these latest releases in a new light and realize that the writings on the wall if this crap continues. Part 17 is due out later this month, by the way, which will be his break down of the latest financials. Spoilers: They suck. Really bad.

 Jancoran wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:

Davor wrote:


Since I see no smiley with tongue sticking out, not sure if serious or not. Looks like you are serious since I can't detect any sarcasm here, can you please explain why GW would release everything in hard cover first before going bankrupt. That makes no sense. GW doesn't care if people get their hard covers if they go kaput.

Second. GW is not going bankrupt. They don't owe anyone money, they are still in the black and making profit. Small profit but none the less, it's still profit, in the Black and don't OWE any money. So why are thy going bankrupt?

You do understand that most companies that go bankrupt don't look like it years in advance? You do also understand that currently being in the black doesn't mean they won't ever dip below? You also understand that the factors that caused their drop in revenue will continue to cause a drop in revenue, furthered by their statement that they do no market research, nor care what the market wants.

Put those together, and its not hyperbole to say that GW could be bankrupt in two years. It may take longer, it may take less time, but their current strategy doesn't appear to be stable.

Maybe you should read some business peoples' thoughts on the matter.

Sorry but thats just a lot of if's. they're not going under. So.


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 Musashi363 wrote:

Mutilators, Wilford Brimley ogryns, 3rd edition obliterators, Nagash (old), tuarox, SW hover bathtub and khornedozer would like a word with you.

a couple bad models (and we dont agree in regards to the 3rd Edition Obliterators AT ALL, and I dont play apocalypse so Im not plagued with that crappy Khornedozer, yet) simply don't disprove the rule.

Haters gonna' hate though.

Here's someone without a dog in the fight that knows a lot more about business than either of us. He says the future of GW isn't pretty at all. They're going down. They're doing nothing to stop that descent.

http://masterminis.blogspot.com/2014/07/the-future-of-games-workshop-part-15.html

Releasing the GK codex so soon isn't that surprising considering that they aren't releasing any new models or units for it, and are basically just nerfing and removing a whole bunch of gak from it and sprinkling some points reductions around as "compensation".

Frankly, the changes they're making to the 'dex could all be completed in a good 8 hour day's work.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Releasing the GK codex so soon isn't that surprising considering that they aren't releasing any new models or units for it, and are basically just nerfing and removing a whole bunch of gak from it and sprinkling some points reductions around as "compensation".

Frankly, the changes they're making to the 'dex could all be completed in a good 8 hour day's work.

It could be errata, realistically.

Sorry, it IS errata, basically.

 Blacksails wrote:

Davor wrote:


Since I see no smiley with tongue sticking out, not sure if serious or not. Looks like you are serious since I can't detect any sarcasm here, can you please explain why GW would release everything in hard cover first before going bankrupt. That makes no sense. GW doesn't care if people get their hard covers if they go kaput.

Second. GW is not going bankrupt. They don't owe anyone money, they are still in the black and making profit. Small profit but none the less, it's still profit, in the Black and don't OWE any money. So why are thy going bankrupt?

You do understand that most companies that go bankrupt don't look like it years in advance? You do also understand that currently being in the black doesn't mean they won't ever dip below? You also understand that the factors that caused their drop in revenue will continue to cause a drop in revenue, furthered by their statement that they do no market research, nor care what the market wants.

Put those together, and its not hyperbole to say that GW could be bankrupt in two years. It may take longer, it may take less time, but their current strategy doesn't appear to be stable.

Maybe you should read some business peoples' thoughts on the matter.

No, it is complete hyperbole that GW could go under in 2 years. Maybe 5 years, yes, if they do real bad. Most companies that go bankrupt DO look that way years advance - I don't know where do you get the idea that they don't.

When GW did not update army books, it was a sign that they were doing poorly because they tried to avoid the cost of updating an army.
When GW does update army books, it is a sign that they are doing poorly because they are in panic mode to get more sales.

The truth is that slow codex update schedule was something players complained for years. Now that GW has rectified the situation, the people complain again - often very selfsame people...

Backfire wrote:


No, it is complete hyperbole that GW could go under in 2 years. Maybe 5 years, yes, if they do real bad. Most companies that go bankrupt DO look that way years advance - I don't know where do you get the idea that they don't.

When GW did not update army books, it was a sign that they were doing poorly because they tried to avoid the cost of updating an army.
When GW does update army books, it is a sign that they are doing poorly because they are in panic mode to get more sales.

The truth is that slow codex update schedule was something players complained for years. Now that GW has rectified the situation, the people complain again - often very selfsame people...

It should be noted that Backfire, when contributing to said threads, provides no real data for his 'contrary to the facts' position. Even this statement lacks the granularity of the situation of massed releases being thrown out at low quality with higher prices, such as they are now, and still having a major reduction of profits. All while the company has cut costs to as low as possible without further cutting production capabilities, or better known as the ability to continue making revenue as they are.

Essentially, the economics right now all point to GW being in a bad position and, without any major changes to their actions or a huge up swell in the player base, are very likely in a "death spiral" (actual econ term) and can easily fold within 18-24 months.

This is my parroting from the folks who are versed in corporate finance. I'm just an engineer that can connect data and follow logic all which state that this stupid crap is going to make people quit the game more and faster. Less people means less free advertising, which means fewer new players, which means even less opponents ... all accumulating in lower and lower sales volume. All of this handily wrapped up in their recent public financial statement. This is the brief version, by the way.

 Psienesis wrote:

So I suggest people look at their model collections in AWE, for they really ARE the best in the industry and thank the Gawds that anyone even came up with this awesome game. It'll never be perfect. it'll never be {fill in the blanks of your favorite bitch in this spot right here}. But those models are AWESOME, it's why DakkaDakka even EXISTS and you're posting in it.

So do all the nerd raging you can but in the end: stop pretending like its not awesome. Because no game has come CLOSE to the following this one has and you're all very much members of that frternity even when you dont want to admit it.

Ehm.... Dungeons & Dragons had more players/fans, in its heyday, world-wide than 40K ever has ever seen. In fact, D&D might still have more players world-wide than 40K does. For gamer-nerds, D&D is the universal "fall back" game. Just met a new group of gamer-nerds? The one thing you can almost always count on is that they've played D&D.

Maybe 40K is a big deal in the table-top wargaming world (and, make no mistake, it is), but let us not pretend that it is the Greatest Game Ever Made.

By those comparisons, there are *lots* more nerd-fandoms with far greater market appeal and far, far larger playerbases.

As far as models are concerned? Once upon a time, yes. No longer. There are many, many studios consistently putting out better-quality miniatures at lower prices.

Good luck selling that doomsday scenario.

 TheKbob wrote:

Backfire wrote:


No, it is complete hyperbole that GW could go under in 2 years. Maybe 5 years, yes, if they do real bad. Most companies that go bankrupt DO look that way years advance - I don't know where do you get the idea that they don't.

When GW did not update army books, it was a sign that they were doing poorly because they tried to avoid the cost of updating an army.
When GW does update army books, it is a sign that they are doing poorly because they are in panic mode to get more sales.

The truth is that slow codex update schedule was something players complained for years. Now that GW has rectified the situation, the people complain again - often very selfsame people...

It should be noted that Backfire, when contributing to said threads, provides no real data for his 'contrary to the facts' position.

LOL. OK, I admit it is completely unproven that most of the playerbase didn't prefer the old release schedule. Maybe they secretly liked it and all the complaint threads here were not representative of the actual feelings of the playerbase? I mean, it's POSSIBLE.

 TheKbob wrote:

Even this statement lacks the granularity of the situation of massed releases being thrown out at low quality with higher prices, such as they are now, and still having a major reduction of profits.

...but of course YOU can go throw out statements like this, and it goes without saying that they are factual, right?
I mean, is, for example, new Space Marine Tactical Squad worse quality than the old, cheaper one? Or how about the new 7th edition rulebook compared to the 5th or 6th edition BRB's?

 TheKbob wrote:

All while the company has cut costs to as low as possible without further cutting production capabilities, or better known as the ability to continue making revenue as they are.

Production, likely yes, especially as there has been occasional reports that they struggle to produce enough new stuff for sale . But they can cut other stuff if push comes to shove. Retail, most notably.

 TheKbob wrote:

Essentially, the economics right now all point to GW being in a bad position and, without any major changes to their actions or a huge up swell in the player base, are very likely in a "death spiral" (actual econ term) and can easily fold within 18-24 months.

No, 'death spiral' is actually figure skating term.

 TheKbob wrote:

This is my parroting from the folks who are versed in corporate finance.

People who are versed in corporate finance and invest on GW seem to disagree. The markets do not appear to believe GW will go under in 18 to 24 months. It would show in share price in quite dramatic fashion.

 MWHistorian wrote:

Here's someone without a dog in the fight that knows a lot more about business than either of us. He says the future of GW isn't pretty at all. They're going down. They're doing nothing to stop that descent.

http://masterminis.blogspot.com/2014/07/the-future-of-games-workshop-part-15.html

I'm a business owner and I say no. He's a biz guy and he says yes. Whatever. I am in the financial field. I think I know more about business than this dude on... what is it? Masterminis.net? Lol. Come on.

But this isn;t an exercize in measure biological protrusions. Here's how things actually work: Dividends come from profits. No profits, no dividends. Now go look at the Dividends and be awed.

So while their STOCK (which is no more than a reflection of investor confidence and only matters to those WITH it, which may or may not even include the company itself) did crash and crash hard a year into 6E, it is already recovering. Meanwhile, anyone with a Browser can go view the mammoth Dividends for themselves. And here's the winner for ya: people LIKE 7E a lot more and it, like 5E D&D, is already winning people back.

So while I dont wanna' dis this guy you're citing, All he's doing is looking at the same report Ive seen and making snide overly simplistic comments about it... but he's not analyzing it and he SURE as hell doesnt know context.