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 pretre wrote:
 ClockworkZion wrote:

From Jared van Kell on BoLS (take extra salt):

Adeptus Sororitas are due this year but from what is being said it sounds like it is going to be as part of a box set similar to Shield of Baal.


That's not a good sign:

Jared Van Kell - Total rumors: (2 TRUE) / (16 FALSE) / (0 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - NO RUMORS PENDING

I know, but he did get model rumors right in the past so who knows? I just thought sharing it was worth it because it exists.
   
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Jared Van Kell was all over ghost21's junk back in the day. His predictions are about as worthless as they come. The only thing he got right were vague, easy guesses:

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
The current 'dex is actually damn close to perfect given the limited model range, the only units in need of a buff are Canoness, Penitent Engines, Repentia and Celestians (which, thankfully, aren't key units so the Dex functions quite fine).

Well, the sad thing is, making one's HQ can be pretty fun, and very powerful (even if very expensive) characters are always nice to play with. We are stuck with terrible HQ.

And there's no excuse for having Penitent Engines and Repentia being so bad they're useless. It's a small dex and they still couldn't manage internal balance.

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 MWHistorian wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
The current 'dex is actually damn close to perfect given the limited model range, the only units in need of a buff are Canoness, Penitent Engines, Repentia and Celestians (which, thankfully, aren't key units so the Dex functions quite fine).

Well, the sad thing is, making one's HQ can be pretty fun, and very powerful (even if very expensive) characters are always nice to play with. We are stuck with terrible HQ.

And there's no excuse for having Penitent Engines and Repentia being so bad they're useless. It's a small dex and they still couldn't manage internal balance.

They've never been good so it isn't like the newest book created that problem.

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 pretre wrote:
 MWHistorian wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
The current 'dex is actually damn close to perfect given the limited model range, the only units in need of a buff are Canoness, Penitent Engines, Repentia and Celestians (which, thankfully, aren't key units so the Dex functions quite fine).

Well, the sad thing is, making one's HQ can be pretty fun, and very powerful (even if very expensive) characters are always nice to play with. We are stuck with terrible HQ.

And there's no excuse for having Penitent Engines and Repentia being so bad they're useless. It's a small dex and they still couldn't manage internal balance.

They've never been good so it isn't like the newest book created that problem.

That no excuse at all.



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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
If anything in the Sister's Codex is going to be bad, I'd rather it be PEs and Repentia than Sisters.

Why should anything be bad? Expectations are indeed pretty low for GW games.



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Why should anything be good? Good implies just as much imbalance as bad.

   
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 MWHistorian wrote:
 pretre wrote:
They've never been good so it isn't like the newest book created that problem.

That no excuse at all.

It wasn't meant to be. It was a fact.

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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Why should anything be good? Good implies just as much imbalance as bad.
Everything should be good at what it does but not good at other things. A sniper should be good at long range shooting but not close combat. A tank should be good at taking hits and blasting things but not moving fast.
The PE and Repentia are good at nothing and a Riptide is good at just about everything.



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That's not entirely correct. PE and Repentia are good at things they just are overcosted and/or compete with units that are really good at things in the same slot.

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 pretre wrote:
That's not entirely correct. PE and Repentia are good at things they just are overcosted and/or compete with units that are really good at things in the same slot.

Same thing in this case.



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Y'all realize that once they do sisters GW will either have to do Squats, or reboot the whole line.

That's the rule.

 
   
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 MWHistorian wrote:
 JohnHwangDD wrote:
If anything in the Sister's Codex is going to be bad, I'd rather it be PEs and Repentia than Sisters.

Why should anything be bad? Expectations are indeed pretty low for GW games.


I mean, the other 3e-Inquisition-era army got turned into a one-dimensional book with about three units that function without Allied support...

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 pretre wrote:
 MWHistorian wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
The current 'dex is actually damn close to perfect given the limited model range, the only units in need of a buff are Canoness, Penitent Engines, Repentia and Celestians (which, thankfully, aren't key units so the Dex functions quite fine).

Well, the sad thing is, making one's HQ can be pretty fun, and very powerful (even if very expensive) characters are always nice to play with. We are stuck with terrible HQ.

And there's no excuse for having Penitent Engines and Repentia being so bad they're useless. It's a small dex and they still couldn't manage internal balance.

They've never been good so it isn't like the newest book created that problem.

Repentia where at least somewhat useful but now are worse than ever. I mean the points drop was a good idea, but taking away their standard FnP and their better AoF was stupid as hell.

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I'm more or less with dracpanzer on this. If sisters are reborn you can expect an almost entirely different feel for them. I really do not want a repeat of what happened with Grey Knights when 99% of my metal Knight models had to pay extra for their force halberds when the new plastics and codex came out. Even though they had an initially powerful release codex, they are nerfed to kingdom come now.


I like our current codex (repentia, celestians, penengines aside) and would really rather not take the probable step back that a 7ed codex would have in store for us. I also don't want them to come out with new models that completely change the look and feel of the army. If anything I would be okay with a few data-slates for the Sisters. Maybe some formations or unit changes, but keep the big grey knight changes for a different army please.

A ton of armies and a terrain habit...


 
   
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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
The current 'dex is actually damn close to perfect given the limited model range, the only units in need of a buff are Canoness, Penitent Engines, Repentia and Celestians (which, thankfully, aren't key units so the Dex functions quite fine).

Well, the sad thing is, making one's HQ can be pretty fun, and very powerful (even if very expensive) characters are always nice to play with. We are stuck with terrible HQ.

Oh don't get me wrong, I'd like to see Canonesses be better (they're probably at least 20pts overcosted as is... just look at Wolf Guard Battle Leaders and Inquisitors...), but at least there are 2 solid HQ choices anyway.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
If anything in the Sister's Codex is going to be bad, I'd rather it be PEs and Repentia than Sisters.

This, this would be a deal-breaker (hence why the 5th ed Codex was considered crap).

   
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I do not feel like Celestine is solid. She is useless against 2+ save and very fragile.

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If the fluff and artwork is as good as Sheild of Baal I would buy the new Adepta Sororitas Codex and models and I am not even playing 40k at the moment - not a fan of 7th Ed..........

I do so want this rumour to be true...........

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I do not feel like Celestine is solid. She is useless against 2+ save and very fragile.

Luckily she has a jump pack to avoid those 2+ foes most of the time...

   
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She has nothing to avoid dying from one hit, though .

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Celestine is still an amazing warlord and force multiplier. If she's dying a lot, you're probably doing it wrong.

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Force multiplier? What do you mean? Because of her Warlord trait ?

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I love Celestine and she is my default Warlord. There was ways to help keep her alive such as keeping some searaphim around her to be the closest to the enemy so they can get shot first.

Also I find her to not be a melee beatstick. She works best as a basic infantry killer not as a character killer.

She doesn't go after Chaptermaster MC Hammer she kills the devastator squad or thunderfire cannon hiding in the enemy's DZ. Her high mobility and str 5 ap 3 sword that is also a heavy flamer allows her to really remove certain battlefield threats well.

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Force multiplier? What do you mean? Because of her Warlord trait ?

Warlord trait, fearless, hit and run, etc. so on.

I especially like running her with a sister blob or allied unit (TWC or guard).

Not to mention you can guarantee your opponent can't get slay the warlord.

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From what I understand the biggest changes to the SoB codex would be...

-Bring back AoF for every turn
-Give Repentia FNP
-Penitent engines need to be re-worked, lower point cost
-Celestians need to be more useful
-Cannoness able to take more than 1 relic

Those are the only things I can think of for positive changes to a new SoB codex with everything else remaining the same and untouched.

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From Hellios on Bolter and Chainsword:
I can 100% confirm that GW has newer SoB infantry sculpts. What I can't comment on is if GW has plans to release those sculpts. I use the word 'newer' because I consider them to be fairly old now.

If GW is going to start releasing small forces (FW AdMech has been selling well?), it would be a good time to drop some new SoBs. Even if plastic SoBs weren't cheaper, they can provide a lot of bits on a sprue. Celestians, Dominions, Retributors, and normal sisters in one box. Seraphim in another... HQ box/clamshell that fits well with the new plastics... And 'pure' SoB are fine, maybe a Repressor if they feel like pushing the boat out.


And some speculation from the comments on Faeit that I think makes sense (based on rumors of releases) by Chris Royles:
GW are simply responding to mArket and competitor risk.

GW Knights = Dreamforge Leviathon
GW Greater Deamon = Creature Caster
GW SoB = Raging Heroes Sisters if Mercy.

Timing is far too coincidental.
GW cannot afford for any one of the above to gain market share and do a better job.

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Helios? I don't think he posted before.

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 ClockworkZion wrote:
From Hellios on Bolter and Chainsword:
I can 100% confirm that GW has newer SoB infantry sculpts. What I can't comment on is if GW has plans to release those sculpts. I use the word 'newer' because I consider them to be fairly old now.

If GW is going to start releasing small forces (FW AdMech has been selling well?), it would be a good time to drop some new SoBs. Even if plastic SoBs weren't cheaper, they can provide a lot of bits on a sprue. Celestians, Dominions, Retributors, and normal sisters in one box. Seraphim in another... HQ box/clamshell that fits well with the new plastics... And 'pure' SoB are fine, maybe a Repressor if they feel like pushing the boat out.


And some speculation from the comments on Faeit that I think makes sense (based on rumors of releases) by Chris Royles:
GW are simply responding to mArket and competitor risk.

GW Knights = Dreamforge Leviathon
GW Greater Deamon = Creature Caster
GW SoB = Raging Heroes Sisters if Mercy.

Timing is far too coincidental.
GW cannot afford for any one of the above to gain market share and do a better job.


For the models I'll wait till i can see pics of them. However the Comments from Faeit ( while many of us can say GW has it's head up its arse you can't say GW dose not look at the competition ) it has some weight to it and even though the Raging Heroes Sisters of Mercy KS is a good ways out I don't dought it will be (and probably is) a major competing factor to GW's SoB low cost high profit status of the SoB line. Where if GW dose nothing and lets RH come out with Sisters of Mercy GW's already small sales from SoB will most likely drop like a rock because RH will be offering "Not SoB" look a likes at a lower cost and in resin and plastic models.

GW Knights ($140 USD) = Dreamforge Leviathon ($120 USD)
GW Greater Deamon ($57 USD on GW, FW greater deamon £93.00 - £148.00) = Creature Caster ($90 CAD - $185 CAD MSRP on kickstarter, more expensive than GW when they are about the same size)
GW SoB ( $80 USD for a pre set squad of 10) = Raging Heroes Sisters if Mercy. ( going by the RH Tough Girls kickstarter the most expensive troop option was $25 USD for 5 Models [$50 for 10], by which the Sisters of Mercy could be similarly priced and thus cheaper than GW)

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