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Hi All

I am planning to convert a force of three imperial knights to nurgle, now this has been done before and will be done again I'd like some feedback on the first completed one before the second one arrives in the post so I can change that to include any comments I like the sound of.

if anyone has questions or comments of what I've done then fire away, you ill notice that there is no shield on this one yet, I don't think it fits and still wondering what to do in its place? the heavy stubber will be added later

there's currently 11 nurglings on the model with another 2 to be added.

I am pleased how it turned out (although not entirely finished) I am going to add some maggots etc if I can figure out how to make them easily, I have done some on my plague cart (finished before starting the knight) however they were a real pain to do. I am sure it should be easy enough with a syringe and something like play dough but how to get that effect with a modelling clay etc ive not figured yet. any ideas?

the next knight will be a very old warden with even more heavy nurgle effects ive been playing with this knight to figure how to make it and ive got a good few ideas, that one I can show any techniques anyone wants to know if they are of interest. the third will be a crusader which will be a light conversion on the standard knight.

If I hope this is the right place for the post.

Hmm, I've got a feeling it might need more skulls!

 Malika2 wrote:
Hmm, I've got a feeling it might need more skulls!

your right I could sculpt skulls on the skulls....

aart form the obvious shoulder pad ive been light on skulls there are some ork and human skulls mixed up in the boils etc and there are three on the chest plate, there are two heads one in the leg armour and one on the rear but ive tried not to make it look like the enemy army has got too close and got stuck which seems to be quite a common take on nurgle, that or sticking one model on top of another.

I have nothing constructive to say, just that it looks really well done!

so my knight arrived today ad I have been playing with what to do to make the knight a knight warden, ive been thinking about this for the last two weeks my starting point was here:

http://quindiastudios.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/building-imperial-warden.html

whilst I am not a fan of it looking like a warden it is a good conversion and also gave me something to see what I did and didn't like, and since its the only conversion for a warden ive seen I dotn have much to go on.

in short I didn't like the scale, the model is too tall, too narrow and too forward, there isn't much out back. ive known what ive wanted to do to fix these issues. I have cut the hips in two and positioned on the side of the knight, this makes it lower makes it wider and allows you to bring the legs slight forward forcing the back out a bit.

whilst iam not entirely happy with the position, iam still thinking if I should mount it under the torso but on the edges and if it stays where it is iam thinking of cutting down the circular side pods ont eh bottom of the knight to give a better fit.

anyway iam please with this, forcing the torso in the position gives me a list of things to think about
1) how will the head go, I need to cut the top armour plate to give the head room to move,
2)the rear exhausts are going to look odd sticking forward
3) the shoulder pads would make great lower leg armour but it needs to eb bent in more, any ideas how to do that with a thick piece of plastic. id rather not scratch build the leg armour and the standard lower leg armour is too weedy for a warden.
4 making the hips part of the torso so it doesn't come with that just stuck look.


there of course bound to be more but don't know what

anyway I attach a couple of pics so you get the idea, it is smaller than a normal knight but not by much.

also any suggestions for the first one still gratefully received.

thanks

I really can't believe the detail on that skull covered shoulder pad. Just amazing.

nurglepuss wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Hmm, I've got a feeling it might need more skulls!

your right I could sculpt skulls on the skulls....

aart form the obvious shoulder pad ive been light on skulls there are some ork and human skulls mixed up in the boils etc and there are three on the chest plate, there are two heads one in the leg armour and one on the rear but ive tried not to make it look like the enemy army has got too close and got stuck which seems to be quite a common take on nurgle, that or sticking one model on top of another.

Man it's just impressive already, don't worry about that!

Otherwise you'll end up with this:

Thanks whalemusic360 and Warboss_Waaazag for your kind words, the shoulder pad was easy sculpt 6 skulls and press mould them with blue stuff.

Malika2 I agree too many skulls would be wrong! I hope ive got the right balance.

so ive been working on the warden as you'll see ive cut the top armour plate so the middle plate moves backwards, this gives room for the head, ive glued the legs on and pretty happy with the results. I have removed the tube lower side pods and one support for the arm frame. and the legs fit pretty well. the stance is wider than I wanted but with large leg plates the large gap will be filled.

I have identified three possible positions for the exhaust, one straight down and one out back and one upwards and backwards anyone have any preference?

I have also been thinking of which variant to do I was planning on warden 2 with the quake cannon in the middle of the torso but fell that may pull the balance of the model forward, as a result iam thinking warden 1 with the missile launcher on the back still deciding.

I have decided that the stalker guns are too small yes I want to keep small weapons on the arms but they are just too small so I will scratch build my own to look like them as I like the look but bigger

The Warden is one of my favourite models ever so really looking forward to seeing what you achieve with this conversion.

Hmm, I would say the exhausts pointing down look best, seems tidier. A big missile launcher on the back can't go wrong either although I saw this Warden conversion which might be useful to you:

Gogsnik: WOW whilst I feel somewhat deflated that someone else has got there first iam encouraged by the fact he can be done. Although his looks better,

ive been bending the shoulder pads to fit around the legs and I think ive bent mine too much but hey live and learn.

that is a really tidy conversion, ive been trying to get the exhausts like that now but cant also he has his centre plate where the head is cut back more which changes the angle and makes it look better.

ho hum are there details of how he was made anywhere?

id love to see a side shot to see shat it looks like with the gun out front, although it looks cut down so maybe that's all I need to do

ok so have been thinign about a number of visual cues on the model, I hae decided to stretch the top torso, this makes the exhasuts look better and brings the model back. to do this I just cur through the top plate across the two circu.lar vents, which had I wanted to read I could have press moulded a mould to use. I then filled with procreate smoothed and now sanded.

I am sure you can do this with plasticard but given I don't know how I couldn't anyone fancy educating? its made me think for the crusader I could cut down the middle of the top plate and torso and make it wider fairly easily but I will see when I come to that mode.

anyway as I plan to nurgle the whole top plate it doesn't need to be too neat, stretching the top plate meant I had to glue it on and I forgot to rough up the sides to make them look nurglely, no worry as I can still do btu not as easily.

you can see the way I plan to do the legs, I have ordered some extra plates etc from a bits store so I have robbed what I needed from the 3rd kit for the time being.

in case anyone wonders bending the shoulder pads turned out easily, I just started to bend it in my hand carefully then got a vice put both pads in at the same time sat in front of a electric fan heater and slowly closed the vice when they were at the size I wanted I left it in the vice for 10 minutes making sure it didn't melt or anything and then left to cool overnight and two very similar sized and shaped leg plates. carful the metal vice gets hot as can the plastic! after getting over the fear of damaging the piece it was ok.

still lots to do, trying to get the gun for the arms designed, also thinking about the missile launcher thinking about one that looks like the FW titan ones rather than the old models round one.

I really like the way it's shaping up

What are those parts on the thighs from? They look better than on the picture I linked, they make the leg look more meaty. Here's a link to the site that I got that photo from anyway - link

Bending plasticard would be tricky to fill the gap with all those curves but, if I were to tackle it I would make some struts to make a basic framework and use some thin plasticard sheet to bend over them to get the curves; having used a similar technique on a much smaller scale one pitfall I encountered was that the thin plasticard could sag into the gaps between struts but I guess you just have to put more struts in to keep it taut. You can use old sprue for the struts so you don't have to spend so much money!

Some rather cool conversions going on here!

SilverMK2 thanks I hope you enjoy theres more to come

gogsnik, thanks that site is great, I really like his attempt, there are some differences so glad about that.

the thighs are the plates that fir above the head but below the top armour plate. I dint like the look or fit of the lower leg plates, I think ill try your way on the crusader. thanks for taking the time to give an over view.

ive spent the afternoon mocking up 2 different guns the first was too big the second just didn't look right I am away next week so plenty of time to plan the look of the weapons so hopefully I can get converting when iam back.

I wonder what kinda missile pod you're gonna use...

 Malika2 wrote:
I wonder what kinda missile pod you're gonna use...

there's not too much choice,

I have the Valkyrie pods two side by side isn't too bad at the moment I think ill scratch build some with missiles a similar size to the imperial guard missile from the heavy weapons sprue about 3 mm diameter as opposed to the Valkyrie 2mm ish

Might be too late to suggest this, but how about turning the body around and using the top as the back? The hatch area could be used for where the hydraulics raise and lower the missile pod that's mounted on the back, it would also look more beetle lick with that "shell on its back instead of a front shield. You could look at them mounting the imperial guard death strike missile launcher/griffon (or whatever on that rail system for your missiles.

Just a suggestion, I'm late to the party and haven't read any of the other posts yet so these might be useless ideas .

thanks for the suggestions Theophany, it is too late to change the top plate, although having the missiles launch like a submarine through the gap could have been cool. those imperial guard missiles are just too big. The original warden was very beetle like but I stopped short of trying to get the exact look as that would mean a lot of plasticard work which I don't have much experience of and deemed too hard.

I am now back from a week away and whilst I couldn't model but did come up with lots of ideas which I have now completed.

you will se two scratch bolt 3 barrel auto cannons and a scratch built missile launcher, the missiles are pressed green stuff and arnt great but I couldn't replicate 30 missals any other way-they are all pretty rough at the moment as I will either detail it or cover it all in nurgleness.

also to help fill the space in the back I have built a box originally this was going to be for ammo but feeding it to the guns is proving difficult so I will either assume internal feeds or put vents on the back to make it a larger engine exhaust. not sure yet.

Iam fighting with the head at the moment well the armour beneath it I cant quite get it to look.fit right.

I have also acquired another set of knight legs and iam thinking about a slannesh knight like the old school epic ones but I have the warden and a crusader to do first!

anyway let me know what you think?

hi

so ive final finished the green stuff missiles all 30 of them, they are far from perfect but the best I can do, I think it looks ok , I have damaged the armour all over with various power tools and have started adding the rot and converting the head, I wanted it to look like a plaguebarer, it still needs work but I need the green stuff to dry, I have also added the veins over the top armour, ive been looking again at veiny hands and with a tope layer of green stuff which again will eb pressed with a brush to create a skin texture I think these will look good.

iam now turning my attention whilst I do everything else on the leg plates, I want to decorate them but short of copying the first knight iam not sure what to do this time, any ideas?

You can never have enough Nurglings, nurgling infested leg plate? ... Some sort of nest?... Do nurglngs have nests?

 SJM wrote:
You can never have enough Nurglings, nurgling infested leg plate? ... Some sort of nest?... Do nurglngs have nests?

this is a good idea that has got me thinking, whilst I have no idea if nurglings nest, they do seem the type too, whilkst considering where would it be, I figured in a big puss filled boil, and whilst iam not sure how I could get that to work with nurglings I wonder if I could get something else in a big puss filled boil, perhaps a space marine, i know if i use an actual space marine and cover it in green stuff it will look like a space marine in a sack,

i have started the second leg plate i have decided on three flies, i think i need to keep the flies going between all three knights.

Can we get a close up shot of your missile pod?


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Oh, and also very nice work so far. Really inspiring.

 Warboss_Waaazag wrote:
Can we get a close up shot of your missile pod?


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Oh, and also very nice work so far. Really inspiring.

thanks and yes you can sorry for slight blurt on photos cant seem to get it in focus,

regarding the leg armour I have dismissed the space marine as it is just too large for the plate, I may consider using it on the back of the model but will decide later.

I have been looking through pictures of nurgle minis and have found an early typhus model with what looks like a fish with horns on a shoulder pad, later pictures have the fly, I will be sculpting (trying) a fish deamon on one of the leg armour plates, Its my first attempt to make teeth and horns so should be fun.

I still need ideas for the next knight!

cheers

Amazing dude, simply amazing.

This kind of conversion work is what the hobby is all about to me. Respect man.

 Peter Wiggin wrote:
Amazing dude, simply amazing.

This kind of conversion work is what the hobby is all about to me. Respect man.

Thanks for the kind words peter

so I am done for the day now, I have added the horn to the head now looking more plague bearerish,

I have started to skin the top plate I really like the affect of the veins with a layer of greenstuff, the skin has been textured with a brush and has some inclusions and boils etc. it will take a while to do the whole torso.

I have mocked up the fish and even though it is only in blue tack I am really pleased with it, i think the horns have turned out really well, I have made a load of teeth to go in the mouth I've attached a picture of the fish I will try to replicate with added horns of course.

the more I look at the fish head the more I like it I hope I am as pleased when I do it for real.

Well the Plaguebearer style head just really works brilliantly doesn't it. The Warden design really suits Nurgle I think, with it being so hunched and bo-legged. The river monsters fish head looks like it should be awesome too, great stuff as usual.

Interesting with the fish, which old Typhus model is your reference?

It's fething disgusting...I suppose that's a good thing.

Gotta put your camera on Macro setting to take close up pictures, my friend. That or pull your camera back away from your subject a little. If you get too close the camera will autofocus on the stuff behind your object.

Gogsnik wrote:Well the Plaguebearer style head just really works brilliantly doesn't it. The Warden design really suits Nurgle I think, with it being so hunched and bo-legged. The river monsters fish head looks like it should be awesome too, great stuff as usual.

thanks gogsnik, I think the warden not only looks nurgerly but I can imagine the old pilot not wanting to give up as age takes it toll so makes a pact with nurgle. I think th eplague bearer head will look good when finished, its both simple and effective.

SJM wrote:Interesting with the fish, which old Typhus model is your reference?

sorry it wasn't a model but a picture ive attached it.

Banzaimash wrote:It's fething disgusting...I suppose that's a good thing.

well I think so

Warboss_Waaazag wrote:Gotta put your camera on Macro setting to take close up pictures, my friend. That or pull your camera back away from your subject a little. If you get too close the camera will autofocus on the stuff behind your object.

your right iam digging out my old good camera and will have some proper shots later.