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Battle Box from a discount seller = about $90 US

Sell 5x Scarab Bases on eBay @ $4 per base = about $20 US

Retail cost of Ghost/Doomsday Ark + Immortals/Deathmarks = $83 US

Thus, the net cost of 20 Warriors = about $ -7.00 US



You just cannot beat that deal.

Matt.Kingsley wrote:Scarabs are one of (if not the best) units in the necron 'dex

although template totling tanks and whacking walkers kill them easily

damn vunrable to blasts/templates and instant death rules

Considering their price that's hardly a weakness compared to other troops. consider what you get when buying a chaos space marine. now compare it to the scarab. id say your well off.

tarnish wrote:

Matt.Kingsley wrote:Scarabs are one of (if not the best) units in the necron 'dex

although template totling tanks and whacking walkers kill them easily

damn vunrable to blasts/templates and instant death rules

Considering their price that's hardly a weakness compared to other troops. consider what you get when buying a chaos space marine. now compare it to the scarab. id say your well off.

In the leak, scarabs are going to be immune to instant death caused by double strength weapons. Blasts will still double them, and str 9 will also double them. No word if you will 'double the double' if it is going to be applied or not.

Blasts have ID(2) vs Scarabs in the leak. Therefore anything s7 and lower will strip 2 wounds off of a base for every unsaved wound. s8 strips 3, s9 strips 4, and s10 strips a whopping 5 wounds for every unsaved wound (as long as they're blast weapons). A s10 ap1 railgun, on the other hand, is not blast so therefore doesn't circumvent the ID(1) the swarms have, and will only take 1 wound off a base for an unsaved wound. Same goes to the blendernauts that blood angels love so much. they'll probably still kill a swath of bases, but not like now.


Also everybody talking about the battleforce: How many scarabs do YOU put on your bases? I only use 3 per base, as opposed to the GW standard 4. Therefore what is 5 bases in the battleforce is 20 little scarabs - that's 6 bases of 3 scarabs plus another base of 2 for 7 playable scarab swarms (or 20 if you just put one swarm per base but that doesn't look as good on the table). Just a little point i wanted to make.

tetrisphreak wrote:Blasts have ID(2) vs Scarabs in the leak. Therefore anything s7 and lower will strip 2 wounds off of a base for every unsaved wound. s8 strips 3, s9 strips 4, and s10 strips a whopping 5 wounds for every unsaved wound (as long as they're blast weapons). A s10 ap1 railgun, on the other hand, is not blast so therefore doesn't circumvent the ID(1) the swarms have, and will only take 1 wound off a base for an unsaved wound. Same goes to the blendernauts that blood angels love so much. they'll probably still kill a swath of bases, but not like now.


Also everybody talking about the battleforce: How many scarabs do YOU put on your bases? I only use 3 per base, as opposed to the GW standard 4. Therefore what is 5 bases in the battleforce is 20 little scarabs - that's 6 bases of 3 scarabs plus another base of 2 for 7 playable scarab swarms (or 20 if you just put one swarm per base but that doesn't look as good on the table). Just a little point i wanted to make.

Started to model mine with 3 on their base - three wounds means three on a base - makes more sense if you ask me.

As for the battleforce, I'm pretty excited that we're getting a full unit of warriors. That will help my army a lot.

3/base is definitely the way to go. If I were running a full-on Scarab farm (requiring 60+ bases), I'd probably mix in some 2/base swarms to save money...

Battleforce looks like a good value. Wish I had any use for it, but such is the fate of early adopters...

Those warriors in the new Battleforce are fodder for a lot of conversions.

I used to run 4/base, but I have since switched to 3/base. I even made a set of 'wound counters', a base with just 2 and a base with just 1.

Aye, but nothing can be perfect (swarms vs templates), its GW after all

Ehh i don't mind that battleforce box, if only for the cheaper Ghost arc. If you buy that and the CCB your set for low point games. Like everyone else I am just waiting for the Second wave, without the Wraiths and spiders my Necron army isn't doing to great on the TT tbh. I am new to 40k and it does seem strange for a company to release the 'better' units months after the relaunch of a army.

Nakor The BlueRider wrote:Ehh i don't mind that battleforce box, if only for the cheaper Ghost arc. If you buy that and the CCB your set for low point games. Like everyone else I am just waiting for the Second wave, without the Wraiths and spiders my Necron army isn't doing to great on the TT tbh. I am new to 40k and it does seem strange for a company to release the 'better' units months after the relaunch of a army.

Indeed, it's like they are hoping that people will buy the parts to make conversions AND THEN buy the actual model when it comes out.

Oh, on the new Forgeworld thread, they are releasing scarab swarms. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/425951.page

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/NECRON_SCARABS_SWARM.html

Forgeworld is releasing new Scarabs but a) they are hideous and b). It's about the same price American to buy a box of warriors for the same price as these butt ugly FW scarab swarms. Epic fail Forge World!

I do like how they looks more or less.. BUT.

It comes to $26.00 for those 12 scarabs from FW.

For $28.00 I can buy a warrior box with 12 warriors AND 12 scarabs.

For ~23 dollars I can buy 30 scarabs from Puppetswar

As models they are not too bad, but I definitely prefer the old scarabs. And of course I would rather buy a box of Warriors (you can never have enough of them) and get the scarabs along with them.
Still, these do remind me more of ants rather than scarabs. But I guess they're ok.

NecronLord3 wrote:http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/NECRON_SCARABS_SWARM.html

Forgeworld is releasing new Scarabs but a) they are hideous and b). It's about the same price American to buy a box of warriors for the same price as these butt ugly FW scarab swarms. Epic fail Forge World!

Do they expect to sell those Scarabs? As pointed out they aren't cost effective and are butt ugly. Some people on ebay are making a killing on selling GW scarabs.

By the way, I wrecked a Leman Russ just a couple of hours ago with my Scarabs... Such fun!

angelshade00 wrote:By the way, I wrecked a Leman Russ just a couple of hours ago with my Scarabs... Such fun!

And I ate a razorback (stunned), Dreadnaught (also stunned) and a Drop pod with mine
Trolling Smurfs is fun!

those scarabs look like the old metal ones, uhg... .

Matt.Kingsley wrote:those scarabs look like the old metal ones, uhg... .

But wait!!! They have long THIN legs... and their stands are longer and more forward.

I'm surprised that the Necron FAQ hasn't been linked... or did I miss it?

I'm surprised that the Necron FAQ hasn't been linked... or did I miss it?

I'm surprised every time a question like this gets posted instead of:
1) Going to the GW website and finding the desired FAQ and
2) Posting the link to it if moved to do so.

For the record, there was a thread about the new FAQs when they first hit the GW website about 10 days ago just as one would expect.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/423634.page

A question I've asked many times, do Dakka users ever actually go to the GW website?
FAQ PAGE: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=600005&pIndex=1&aId=3400019&multiPageMode=true&start=2

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=1000004-gws

To round off the day, we thought it would be a good time to mention that the Warhammer 40,000 Shrine of Knowledge has been updated. Pretty much every army in there has a new update, which includes frequently asked questions and errata. The really big news though, is that the Necrons now also have their own page, which includes their first FAQ for the new Codex: Necrons. To make it easy for you to see the changes all the changes are marked in pink. Well, except for the Necron page, because everything is new. And they don't like pink...

So if you're heading to a tournament soon, or you've got a game lined up for the weekend, then make sure you head over to the Shrine of Knowledge and check out the changes - no one wants to be caught out by a tricksie opponent with an FAQ that they haven't read yet.

Shrine of Knowledge Link:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/articleCategory.jsp?communityArticleCatId=1000018&articleCatId=1000018&catId=cat440134a§ion=

No i was just saying that I would have thought a link to the FAQ would have been posted here. I already knew it was up on GW, I was just surprised it wasn't up on this thread.

And besides, I was on mobile when I posted that, kinda hard to copy and paste a link on mobile.

People don't like those? They are so much better than the GW scarabs. They represent the art infinitely more and actually look like they pose a threat. Plus articulated legs.

NecronLord3 wrote:

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/NECRON_SCARABS_SWARM.html

Forgeworld is releasing new Scarabs but a) they are hideous and b). It's about the same price American to buy a box of warriors for the same price as these butt ugly FW scarab swarms. Epic fail Forge World!

Space Cockroaches! They run away when you flip on the lights

I actually really like those sculpts... they look far more spider-ish, and less adorable than the current Scarabs. The old metal ones just looked like lazy sculpts to begin with.

I truly dislike the price of those Scarabs, though. At first glance, my brain immediately jumped to converting an HQ to have those Scarabs crawling over him, but unfortunately, that cost is prohibitive.

They look terrible and, as stated above, for a couple quid, I can get 12 Warriors aswell

IHateNids wrote:They look terrible and, as stated above, for a couple quid, I can get 12 Warriors as well

ABSOLUTELY agree. The existing Scarabs, though a bit simplistic (to make them one-piece, and easy to attach to the Warrior sprues, I imagine) are really nicely designed, I think. IMO, they also, like nearly all of the 2nd version releases (plastic Warriors, Destroyers, Immortals, Tomb Spyders, etc.) fit very well in to the overall design sensibility so beautifully created by Jes Goodwyn, circa 2000.

These guys not only look like an only half-way decent 3rd-party resin kit, but they also do not harmonize with the current range. They clash with the plastic Warriors-era releases and the newer ones, all of which manage to integrate well into the Goodwyn aesthetic while still branching out in some more decorative--even baroque--directions.

And, of course, that doesn't even address the cost issue. Personally, I think 75% of FW stuff is overpriced, but cool designs. Might buy it if I was rich. About 20% I think is pricey, but only slightly pricier than GW kits, and cool enough to justify the premium (not for a whole army, but for a special character, command vehicle, accessories for a command squad, etc.) The remaining 5% I think looks terrible, (like this release) and I'm stunned that people buy them at all.

-C6

I actually love the FW Scarabs and will get at least one set to mix with all my GW and Puppetswar Scarabs!

I got a chance to look at the White Dwarf today and I was glad to see that the Necron Battleforce is in indeed 20 Warriors, 5 Scarabs, 5 Immortals/Deathmarks, and a Ghost Ark!

Thanks dude for putting all of this here.

Red Comet wrote:I got a chance to look at the White Dwarf today and I was glad to see that the Necron Battleforce is in indeed 20 Warriors, 5 Scarabs, 5 Immortals/Deathmarks, and a Ghost Ark!

Yes, GW, I'll have a one of those please. (even though I'll get it at a discount shop, and already have 3000pts of newcrons, but I want another Ark)