Marrak wrote:
OOE looks to be the right guess...

the vague shape is those old crab claws and the weird shell the 3rd ed carnifex had. Only problem with that... it's too big if I am looking at the picture scale right. The old 3rd ed carnifex was tiny.

rigeld2 wrote:
OOE stands taller than a current Carnifex. If I can find my OOE mini ill post a pic.

 centuryslayer wrote:
as a new SM player I gotta say... Short controlled bursts marines!!!! D:

 RiTides wrote:

 centuryslayer wrote:
as a new SM player I gotta say... Short controlled bursts marines!!!! D:

It will only make the 99% still coming at you angrier / hungrier

 RandyMcStab wrote:
Nuke it from orbit!!!!

Sorry.

>Crawling Plague (named Venomthrope), Finecast
>- Like the other named tyranids is taken as a brood upgrade.
>- Three rows of vents on its back, tail is much longer and coils itself around a piece of scenery. Mouth tendrils are shorter and spread open around its mouth like it's trying to spit out something, with liquid dripping out of it.
>- Torrent weapon, AP- Poison 4+. Gimmick is on a 3+ place a marker anywhere on where you placed the template. Following turn place the small end of the flamer template on the marker and aim it in any direction, roll again on 4+ every subsequent turn to see if it stays on the field.
>- Grants stealth to all models within 6" and shrouding to itself. Venomthropes create 5+ cover, so they synergize.
>- It Lurks in the Mists: Special deployment gimmick instead of deploying on the board, at the start of any movement phase except the first you can deploy the Crawling Plague within 6" of any venomthrope.
>- Mutation from the new Hive Fleet Karkinos, which is specialized in toxic weaponry and the usage of venomthropes.

>Tyranid Prime, plastic clamshell
>- Larger Warrior, head crest has four prongs, additional shoulder plates that interlock down over part of the chest, armor in general is sharper and extends farther out with a slight upward curve. Looks like you could impale a guardsman on its back.
>- On foot, devourer and scything talons, dead easy to switch out components with Warriors and Raveners.
>- Details of the fluff are quite a bit different. The Prime is designed as a perfect hunter, created to fit any battlefield and seek out and eliminate enemy commanders while supported by evolved broods in this regard.
>- Apex Brood: The Prime can take a single retinue of "Apex" Warriors, Raveners or Shrikes. They receive T/WS/BS +1 and the Prime auto passes LOS! rolls while attached to the Apex Brood. Somewhat more expensive than their normal counterparts (+5 to +10 pt each depending on the creature)
>- No more +1WS/BS when attached to regular warriors, that's replaced by the retinue.
>- Hunter-Killer: Enemy characters cannot refuse challenges from the Prime.

>Army-wide notes
>- No FOC and ally table changes
>- Devastation and Adaptation are new power tables with 3 powers each + primaris.
>- Primaris for Devastation = Warp Blast, Adaptation = Onslaught (similar to battle-focus)
>- All Tyranid powers can be used with either one or two charges to increase the effect.
>- Ravenous Advance: Units with this rule can run & assault in the same turn.
>- The Ground Trembles: All MC cause d3 Hammer of Wrath hits.
>- Red Terror, Deathleaper and Old One Eye are unique upgrades to their respective broods.

>Mycetic Spore/Mycetic Hive Node, plastic dual kit
>- Spore is a Dedicated Transport, notable changes are that SC can join and MC broods can all opt to get spores.
>- Hive Nodes are bought by HQ models (1-3 choice for Tyrants, 1 for every other HQ), no transport capacity.
>- Nodes provide Synapse and can be configured in one of many ways. Grants poison or shrouding to nearby units or terraforms (Dangerous Terrain) the surroundings.

>Harpy/Erinye, plastic dual kit.
>- Harpy is designed to kill infantry hordes/provide support via its special vector strike.
>- Vector striking it can either use Spore Mine Cyst to create blasts along the path or Sonic Screech to halve initiative and cause a pinning test.
>- Erinye is an AA variant in Elite, very different front torso/head piece with gribbly tentacles.
>- Increased Swoop speed and its gimmick is grappling other flyers.
>- Vector strike -> dice roll 4+ -> the enemy flyer is dragged directly behind where the Erinye ended its move, including a new facing.
>- Both can buy broods of Gargoyles that can drop off in the movement phase when not vector striking.

>Zoanthrope (Doom)/Genethrope, plastic dual kit.
>- Zoanthropes are ML1 psykers, have access to the Devastation, Telepathy, Telekinesis tables.
>- Genethropes are similar, but have access to the Adaptation and Biomancy tables.
>- New unique biomorphs. Increased Shadow in the Warp range, Deny the Witch boost aura, two others.
>- Both types can upgrade up to ML2 but only ever get 1 power, each Elite choice is a unit of 1-3 that can contain mixded Zoan and Gene.
>- Doom has access to all the above tables and comes with Essence Leech and 3 powers.
>- Consumes a wound every time it uses a power (except for Leech), but can keep casting until a Perils roll or its down to 1 wound.

>Carnifex
>- Old unused bimorphs in the box are options again.
>- Base cost the same but upgrades are much, much cheaper overall but lots of "only buy 1 out of this list" kind of choices which greatly limits what a fex can have.
>- Tusked gives HoW an AP value, Thornback increases the number of HoW hits.
>- Enhanced Senses gives Night Fighting.
>- Tail Scythe & Tail Mace each deliver a single hit to all models in BtB at Ini 1, with different stats.
>- Living Battering Ram rule: Changed to allow the Carnifex to assault the contents of a building/transport on a 4+ if it was destroyed by its charge, rolled once for the brood.

Whatever else
- Trygon Prime can taken as HQ/HS
- Trygon tunnels can be used by all infantry/beasts but Raveners can be held until a tunnel is available.

 silverstu wrote:
Well I like the sound of the Prime- both the model and sounds like he is more focused fluff wise. I'd love to see a prime as a plastic clam pack but that would be largest single model pack yet? And the others haven't been particularly compatible with the rest of their ranges have they?

 Vhalyar wrote:

 silverstu wrote:
Well I like the sound of the Prime- both the model and sounds like he is more focused fluff wise. I'd love to see a prime as a plastic clam pack but that would be largest single model pack yet? And the others haven't been particularly compatible with the rest of their ranges have they?

Have you seen the new Libarian? He's highly modular.

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:I really hope you get to take more than one Prime per HQ slot (like 2 or 3). As it is now it is never worth taking over a HT or Tervigon.

Irkhalu wrote:Idk, I find a Prime worth taking in low point games. He holds his own in assault (with either LW/BS or 2x BS and ST).

I'm still taking this with enough salt to slaughter an ocean of slugs, but at least things are starting to sound more plausible. I know I'd certainly love to see some real shrike wings (love the FW conversion, but they are pricey)

Casey's Law wrote:Goodness I hope there is a reasonably priced and attractive spore kit.

grimdark83 wrote:
The fluff says that Norn queens dont leave the the hive ships thou, It wouldnt be the first time that GW messed with the fluff thou

 brassangel wrote:
Chances are it will be $85.00, like most of the new huge monsters. Also, don't be surprised if the Tervigon/Tyrannofex kit goes from $57.75 to $85. I'm not even joking. You may want to get some before that happens.