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No chance according to Variety TWD is the 3rd most expensive show to advertise on and a commercial package of 30 second adverts on TWD is $502,500. Granted that's for multiple airings but you probably wouldn't get a one off ad from the network.

http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/tv-advertising-prices-football-empire-walking-dead-big-bang-theory-1201603800/

Aeneades wrote:
The Walking Dead TV show is a separate licence so that won't be any crossover with the show (the show is back for second half of current season in just under 2 weeks so they could buy a tv advert to show during show but think very unlikely due to massive cost involved).

I meant in the sense that people will start watching the show again and think "wow, walking dead!" and then be prompted to look at the KS. Rather than the show/comic being at the back of people's minds, as I'm sure it is for a lot of people now.

Just looked it up, second half of series 6 starts on Valentine's day so at least Mantic were smart enough to see that as an opportunity.

 DaveC wrote:
No chance according to Variety TWD is the 3rd most expensive show to advertise on and a commercial package of 30 second adverts on TWD is $502,500. Granted that's for multiple airings but you probably wouldn't get a one off ad from the network.

http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/tv-advertising-prices-football-empire-walking-dead-big-bang-theory-1201603800/

Print leaflets and package them with all TWD DVD's, games and comic books then. Post ads on the TWD forums, sponsor Youtube channels who host TWD coverage and content.

I really hope they don't follow Gamesworkshops example.

In 2014 it cost $413,695 for a 30 second spot during Walking Dead. I expect a 15 second slot would cost around $300,000 this year and even more if they want it during next weeks mid-season premier.

If they had a finished product some of this would be possible. Also thru Talking Dead. But without a finished product and the lead time nope. Advertising won't work. Who advertises a kickstarter on a commercial anyway?

Commercials I might be a season behind, but Netflix all the way so I don't have to see those evil things.....Commercials, not walkers.

May be a debate as to which is worse amirite?

Mantic in KS comment section wrote:The only miniature on the page not approved by Skybound is the greyed-out Walker. The renders and painted miniatures we've shown off have all been approved.

I knew the base game was approved. No way they could meet their schedule if it wasn't.

 Bioptic wrote:
More importantly, they are 35mm+ scale, rather than 30mm for WD.

Thanks -- Is there a scale comparison pic of TWD vs. Z or other 35mm figures anywhere?

As for indoors, in the comic books, indoors were *very* dangerous: not enough lighting, no LOS, no room to fire or swing weapons, things could pop out anywhere, etc. At least, that was my impression. Easier to run away from the zombies and shoot 'em where you can see 'em.

Has anyone found mention of this KS *outside* of the hobby market? I see discussions of the Telltale Games TWD video games, but not this KS.

 scarletsquig wrote:

TWD shouldn't fall into the same trap, $125 is an easier sell, and they should be able to keep up a very slow burn in terms of the mini count increasing up to around 100 at the $1m mark.
You just know they're going to do something like +12 walkers soon, that's a very easy one to go ahead with. They always do the least interesting or generous stretch goals in the first few days, saving the better ones for when things are going more slowly.
Best just to grab an EB at the start, then wait and see if it is worth it at the end.

This has a couple of things going against it. The KS bubble has started to burst a little, and Mantic has managed to turn a lot of wargamers off their KS with their consistently ...spotty delivery and quality, which obviously blows out their shipping costs, which in turn has led to much, much higher shipping costs. This, plus wave shipping will hurt them here (and from here on - WarPath didn't exactly crack anywhere near a million and while shipping isn't the reason, it's certainly a contributing factor.)

I also think you're very hopeful if you're expecting a dozen walkers added as a stretch goal. They're clearly not going down the "pile of minis" route with this one.

Only $20K for the day so far......when do we tell Ronnie we have a problem? We're not at dungeon saga levels even.

Glass half empty:

 Theophony wrote:
Only $20K for the day so far......when do we tell Ronnie we have a problem? We're not at dungeon saga levels even.

Glass half full:

Mantic on KS comments wrote:@ Big Blue - this Kickstarter has the second best first day we've ever had, we think it's anything but unimpressive. We're very happy with the launch and it's ahead of where we thought we'd be.
@ Rune - The first day is always an anomaly, today has been a great day and we have good momentum - most people would love to get over 150 backers in a day!

Perspective, it is an amazing thing.




Automatically Appended Next Post:

I found a few more shots with 1:43 vehicles to show how they will work:

Update # 6: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/the-walking-dead-all-out-war-miniatures-game/posts/1481533

Double Trouble


Since we are more than two-thirds of the way to unlocking Andrea and Amy – we thought we’d take a look at what’s next, continuing our march to a milestone $250,000 with some great new rewards.

Stretch Goals: $230,000 – Booster Walkers and Equipment Cards

'Whatever you do, DON'T SHOOT!' Rick Grimes, Issue 09



Double trouble! Get not one but TWO unique Walker booster miniatures as part of Something to Fear, increasing the number of enemies to fend off as well as the variety. The ‘half-walker’ is a particular favorite of ours.

You also get four unique equipment cards to upgrade your survivors with, including a Sawn-off Shotgun and Rick’s Colt Python.

UP NEXT:

We are well ahead of where we expected to be on Day Two and so to celebrate our milestone goal we are going to bring out everyone’s favorite katana-wielding survivor… it’s Michonne!

Milestone Stretch Goal: $250,000 – Kickstarter Exclusive Michonne

'I think about all the things I'm going to do to you and it makes me cry. It scares me.' Michonne, Issue 29



To say thank you for supporting us we have created a Michonne figure for you in a unique pose exclusive to this Kickstarter which you will get as part of the Something to Fear pledge level.

Michonne is a very dangerous survivor in the game (as befits her character in the comic book) where the sculptor has modeled her pose on this piece of iconic comic art, whilst sculpting her in an outfit she wore whilst in the prison:



We hope you like both goals and can't wait to show you what's next!



Let us know what you want to see next in the comments below.

I like the look of that barricade. I know stuff like that isn't technically hard to make on your own but... I'm still more likely to bust out a piece of hard plastic (important) scenery, trim it, spray it, and randomly paint it when it's laying around.


In case they don't give us fancy plastic vehicles (not counting on it), here are a few I just got in:


I think some of the trucks are a little big but they still work, especially as larger variants of the trucks and not smaller baby pickups, and ambulances/service trucks are pretty sizable. I think that school bus may be a little small but it didn't list a scale and I think it still works.



Sorry for the long post but is this what we're working with for now?

StF
6 survivors
12 walkers

Atlanta
4 survivors
1walker

booster miniatures
3 survivors

10 (plastic?) loot markers

Andrea & Amy
2 survivors

Michone
1 survivor

Double trouble walker booster
2 walkers

Plus all of the cards and rules and mats and stuff. But models wise? When they add the Atlanta walker, for instance, are we adding another walker to Something to Fear... or are we filling in one of the missing sculpts? The later is what I based my numbers off of, otherwise there may be a few more zombies in there..

What does the asterisk mean?

ced1106 wrote:
What does the asterisk mean?

It's linking to text saying its a KS exclusive variant of the figure, not that Michonne as a character will be KS exclusive. Given that in the comments section on the KS a lot of people clearly cannot read then it's pretty pointless.

Anyhow I'm more than happy with the value now at $115. Even at $20k in a day that's more than some KS fund at in a month.

Michonne is apparently not a Kickstarter exclusive anymore according to CMON in the comments. Not sure what happened there. It may be a timed exclusive instead now but that sculpt will be available elsewhere.

I wonder if they have been told they cannot do Kickstarter exclusive miniatures?

And Tree Trunk Leg Michone with GIANT sword is now KS exclusive again. Another version with her pets will be in the KS at some point and that one will be available via retail.

I saw that. Good. Maybe they'll be inconsistent with the two Michone sculpts and the second will have better legs somehow. I so like that her baggage train will be included.

Well, she's wearing different trousers in that scene in the comic! So unless they completely ignore the reference material, you should be happier.



Things are inching, inching along though! I assume Mantic is biding their time until the base package is attractive enough to warrant advertising things more widely, because word of mouth & advertising is the only way for these sorts of campaigns increase their totals, what with there being no add-ons.

Will be interesting if/when the rules & BoW play video gets released. A big draw could be if this is genuinely a skirmish game that is both satisfying and can be played in the timeframe of a standard boardgame! Again, the Imperial Assault/X-Wing Comparisons.

Aeneades wrote:
Michonne is apparently not a Kickstarter exclusive anymore according to CMON in the comments. Not sure what happened there. It may be a timed exclusive instead now but that sculpt will be available elsewhere.

I wonder if they have been told they cannot do Kickstarter exclusive miniatures?

I wish CMON had this property!

 Alpharius wrote:

Aeneades wrote:
Michonne is apparently not a Kickstarter exclusive anymore according to CMON in the comments. Not sure what happened there. It may be a timed exclusive instead now but that sculpt will be available elsewhere.

I wonder if they have been told they cannot do Kickstarter exclusive miniatures?

I wish CMON had this property!

Bah, apologies. I default to CMON when talking about zombie kickstarters. I had been hoping that they would get the rights to release a walking dead edition of zombicide.

Same here - I wasn't poking fun at you, I was just...being serious?

Been a couple hours, guess I'll update it if anyone is still watching . TMNT is currently at $271k to TWD $232k, guess the turtles still know how to kick it .


Kickstarter

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Booster Walkers locked in
Posted by Mantic Games
Great news – that’s our latest stretch goal adding two additional Walkers to the Something to Fear pledge level.

These additions mean that the total value of Something to Fear is up to at least $175 MSRP – with much more to come!
Milestone Stretch Goal: $250,000 Kickstarter Exclusive Michonne
'I think about all the things I'm going to do to you and it makes me cry. It scares me.' Michonne, Issue 29

To say thank you for supporting us we have created a Michonne figure for you in a unique pose exclusive to this Kickstarter. You will get this miniature as part of the Something to Fear pledge level.
Michonne is a very dangerous survivor in the game (as befits her character in the comic book) where the sculptor has modeled her pose on this piece of iconic comic art, whilst sculpting her in an outfit she wore whilst in the prison:

We will be back with a new stretch goal later on.
Yesterday we published the first part of our unboxing on The Walking Dead Starter Set, which mainly covered the survivor groups. Today we’ve released part two, taking a further look at the contents – you can read it here.
Unboxing Atlanta Camp
Included in Something to Fear is Atlanta – the first expansion for The Walking Dead: All Out War.
Building on the models and story from the boxed game, this set include a host of new models and new gameplay as well as a number of exciting new scenarios for your survivors to face!

Out on the Road
The terrain in this part of the story is different to the more urban areas founds in the boxed game, with campfires, tents and the beloved RV making up the Atlanta camp. There’s even a new mat with alternate artwork depicting the woodland surroundings – that will join up to the one found in the boxed game, so that you can play larger games. The survivors have set up camp and only travel to the city for much needed supply runs. With new surroundings come new challenges – the campfire being one of them.
Campfires attract walkers as they produce a lot of light, noise and heat. If a walker comes in range of one they will automatically approach it. You can use this to your advantage to lure walkers away from you, but of course if you are caught unawares while standing next to one, this becomes a very dangerous place to be.
The survivors are aided by new equipment and loot cards. These include devastating weapons such as the 12 Gauge shotgun (there had to be one!) and Molotov Cocktails. Be careful – those tents are flammable! The iconic Gory Clothing is also available, to fool walkers into ignoring you, for a time.
Fortunately, survivors close to a campfire can grab a burning brand from it to use as a weapon. Any walker who come sin contact with a campfire will also be set ablaze. There are more rules than we can cover in one post, covering tents, repairing vehicles, woodland terrain and the RV in combat.

The Struggle Continues….
On top of these there are narrative scenarios depicting the beginnings of the more hardened survivors found later in the story. Most of the scenarios can be played one player if you wish, or co-operatively. The campaign keeps track of supplies and also has consequences carry over from previous games if you are playing the scenarios in order.
The story itself covers event from Rick’s first near-lethal trip to Atlanta to find his family, to risking the city once more with to hunt for supplies, to an attack by the walkers disrupting the survivors’ rest around a campfire. More characters from the comics are added into the mix, including Dale, Allen, Jim and Donna. It’s up to you if they’ll survive until the end…

In case you want to play these scenarios with different characters, or don’t have all of the models to hand, each scenario also includes guidelines to use other characters – based on their points cost. Additionally, there are new event cards to make you games even more nail-biting – for example, a howling thundefrstorm can drench your survivors, rendering their Gory Clothes less effective and drawing the dead.
One scenario of note is Ready to Roll – wherein the survivors must fight off walkers while attempting to repair the RV in time to leave. The walkers just keep on coming, so this will be a frantic scenario where you’ll have to balance your priorities wisely. Following this there is a Vicious Betrayal, which I’ll not spoil, but those of you who are familiar with the comics will know what happens here.
(Note that there will be spoilers in this Kickstarter if you've not read the comics yet)
Carol, Glenn, Hershel, barricades, more Walkers? What do you want to see next and why?


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No gameplay vidoes yet? No photos of actual minis yet? Why do all the minis look like they have been squished and their legs became fat?

Hmm... not sure about this one of the tmnt kickstarter. Great ideas but the limited info and renders make me cautious due to seeing others get burned by kickatarters.

I think I'll do what I always do with mantic, and what I did recently with their dungeon saga. I'll wait and buy a never used kickstarter pledge on ebay cheaper than an actual kickstarter plede costs! I'm assuming price has everything to do with exculsives. Cmon stuff goes up in price, mantic stuff down as all their exclusives are later released.

Well, they sent out the "hey we have a new kickstarter" email to MA/KoW/DB a few hours ago to try and drum up some more backers.

I'm not sure why we're all talking about the TMNT kickstarter here and on the KS page... I mean they're completely different genres and types of games?

Not interested in that personally. Maybe not this either, may be fun to pick up at retail but I'm getting a bit worn out having so many hobby items purchased a year in advance.

The value *is* creeping up, and I think if we hit 500k+ the base pledge will really have a solid value by the end. Just not sure if the extras are enough to justify me tying the money up ahead of time.

Also, I have no idea about the gameplay video... but we *are* supposed to get the rules pretty soon.

 Azazelx wrote:
Well, they sent out the "hey we have a new kickstarter" email to MA/KoW/DB a few hours ago to try and drum up some more backers.

I resisted the urge to punch my screen, or shout missing component related obscenities while at work. I was so proud of myself I bought myself a candy bar.

They're customer service is on fire, and they're already pimping their next product.

I guess they're doing those in waves, as I've only backed their Warpath KS thus far and haven't received spam yet.

I only got a Mars Attacks update, and I've backed pretty much everything until this point.

Have we heard anything on character creation? I thought that was mentioned before the campaign started.

They have posted in the comments that there is likely to be some basic rule set provided regarded character creation but no firm promise that it will be included or that it will be more than a couple lines long.