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Can the tomb blades ignor cover go onto the quad gun on an aegis line when it shoots? and I am a new player so idk where to find the quad gun rules where would i find them? Thanks!

Tomb Blades' Ignores Cover is a property of the model, it is conferred to whatever they shoot, including a quad-gun. The most current rules are in Stronghold Assault, which is still for sale directly from GW.

Good god I hope the necron players I face don't find out about this combo.

It doesn't seem all that game-breaking...

A) Tomb Blades could be doing something more useful

B) If the Flyer jinks it's usually about to die anyway. Also sometimes you just don't Jink

C) You can give the Quad gun much better "bonuses", like Canoness with Retributors (Adepta Sororitas):
BS5 and Rending for 2 Turns, or make it BS10 with other models. It has Twin-linked already...

The Tomb Blades' nebulascope States it affects its ranged weapons. To me that is the weapons equiped on the model. You may run different meta.

Gravmyr wrote:
The Tomb Blades' nebulascope States it affects its ranged weapons.

That part is correct.

Then you use this:
"Use the firing model’s Ballistic Skill and the line of sight of the weapon. All relevant special rules from the firing model and the weapon are used."

(Oh they changed it from the wording i was thinking of in 6th:
-From Stronghold Assault:
"One non-vehicle model in base contact with a gun emplacement can fire it instead of his own weapon, following the normal rules for shooting")

I think the intent of "instead of his own weapon" is the same, although the wording changed for 7th.

Im pretty sure it doesn't apply, It only applies to the tomb blade's ranged weapons. The quad-gun is a gun emplacement, not the tomb blade's weapon. Something similair is the vindicare assassin, where it specifically states "all SHOTS made by this model , have the ignores cover special rule".

"If a model is equipped with a nebuloscope all of its ranged weapons have the Ignores Cover special rule."

Only applies to the Tomb Blade's ranged weapon, not a Quad Gun.

It is one of the silliest things I can imagine and I would refuse to play somebody who did this. Not because he's breaking the rules, because he isn't, but because the idea is ridiculous.

I know, this probably comes across as dickish, and maybe it is, but I just wouldn't get any enjoyment out of a game where Tomb Blades (or Rippers, or Thuderwolves) were manning an emplaced gun.


Not that that answers the question, so I'll just shut up now.

This Act of Faith can be used in the Shooting phase. If successful, all weapons in the Retributors unit gain the Rending special rule until the end of the current phase.

So what about the above?

Because 99% of sisters players will have a Rending Quad Gun if the act is successful.....


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harkequin wrote:
Something similair is the vindicare assassin, where it specifically states "all SHOTS made by this model , have the ignores cover special rule".

And to me, the rule you have quoted would indeed apply to the Quad gun.

The 4 shots from the quad gun are shots made by the Vindicaire model. It says so in "manual Fire".

Sisters Retributor i'm quite sure about, and Tomb blades not too sure... It's all in the wording.

"And to me, the rule you have quoted would indeed apply to the Quad gun"

Sorry, i meant that, the Vindicare was the exception, He is allowed to use ignores cover quad gun, because all shots made by him get it, whereas the tomblades only give it to their weapons.
The key words being Shots Vs. Weapons

harkequin wrote:

"And to me, the rule you have quoted would indeed apply to the Quad gun"

Sorry, i meant that, the Vindicare was the exception, He is allowed to use ignores cover quad gun, because all shots made by him get it, whereas the tomblades only give it to their weapons.
The key words being Shots Vs. Weapons

Ah okay, got it. What about the Sisters of Battle wording then?

It does say "weapon":

This Act of Faith can be used in the Shooting phase. If successful, all weapons in the Retributors unit gain the Rending special rule until the end of the current phase.

This Act of Faith can be used in the Shooting phase. If successful, all weapons in the Retributors unit gain the Rending special rule until the end of the current phase.

Seems fairly straight forward, It doesn't say their weapons, or their shots, All weapons in their unit, the gun emplacement is not in their unit, they may fire it, but is is never actually a part of the retributors unit. So RAW you can't.

That being said, it really sounds hilarious to see a bunch of sisters on a quad gun eviscerating fliers through belief in the emporer. As the emporers fiery rending judgement smites them out of the sky. That would be awesome.

All rules on the model apply to the Quad-gun. The model is the one who is shooting, and all special rules they have apply.

 Grey Templar wrote:
All rules on the model apply to the Quad-gun. The model is the one who is shooting, and all special rules they have apply.

Close thread!

 Grey Templar wrote:
All rules on the model apply to the Quad-gun. The model is the one who is shooting, and all special rules they have apply.

This.

The quad gun becomes one of the Tomb Blades ranged weapons and gets ignores cover. There is no conflict or gray area.

Grey Templar wrote:
All rules on the model apply to the Quad-gun. The model is the one who is shooting, and all special rules they have apply.

Not necessarily , most rules don't apply, if a model has fleshbane/armorbane the quad gun doesn't get it. For shooting, usually only the gun's rules apply. Tomb blade weapons have ignores cover, the quad gun does not. It is a gun emplacement, not their weapon "they may fire it INSTEAD of their ranged weapon"(which has ignores cover).

The Tomb Blades have ignore cover, not their weapon. It's a model special rule, not part of the weapon profile.

The Tomb Blades have ignore cover, not their weapon. It's a model special rule, not part of the weapon profile.

Firstly they don't actually have ignores cover, their weapons do, "They may give their ranged weapons ignores cover."

Secondly, afaik , Ignores cover only ever comes from the weapon or a rule affecting the shots.

"Cover saves cannot be taken against Wounds, glancing hits or penetrating hits caused by weapons with the Ignores Cover special rule."
taken from the BRB.
A model having "ignores cover" doesn't do anything, model rules like that only affect CC attacks, otherwise you use the rules of the weapon, same with fleshbane.
That's why ignores cover is always from either the shot or the gun, not the firer.




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"The quad gun becomes one of the Tomb Blades ranged weapons and gets ignores cover. There is no conflict or gray area."

There is nowhere this is backed up. In the BRB it says models may fire an emplaced weapon instead of their ranged weapon, not as it.

Your conveniently skipping the rule that says "All relevant special rules from the firing model and the weapon are used."

The tomb blades are firing a quad gun. The tomb blades give their weapons ignore cover. The quad gun has ignore cover. Pretty basic.

Fragile wrote:
Your conveniently skipping the rule that says "All relevant special rules from the firing model and the weapon are used."

The tomb blades are firing a quad gun. The tomb blades give their weapons ignore cover. The quad gun has ignore cover. Pretty basic.

Unless the quote given above is incorrect (I do not have Stronghold Assault on hand for the Quad Gun's rules) the full relevant line is:

"Use the firing model’s Ballistic Skill and the line of sight of the weapon. All relevant special rules from the firing model and the weapon are used."

'The weapon' refers to the Quad Gun in this case; not the Tomb Blade's weapon.

If you use the models' special rule granted by the Nebuloscope it still reads:

"If a model is equipped with a nebuloscope all of its ranged weapons have the Ignores Cover special rule."

And the Quad Gun is still not one of the Tomb Blade's weapons; it is a Quad Gun.

Nebuloscope gives the model's ranged weapons 'ignores cover'. The quad gun is fired instead of the model's other weapons, as a normal shooting attack. As a normal shooting attack, the quad gun is a ranged weapon of the model firing it and gains bonuses from the model's special rules.

Hang on, we're all looking at the wrong rules.

Stronghold Assault tells us:

"A gun emplacement placed upon a building's battlements counts as an additional emplaced weapon. A gun emplacement placed elsewhere on the tabletop uses the normal rules for gun emplacements."

An Aegis Defence Line counts as 'Battlefield debris (defence lines)', so the Aegis Quad Gun bought for it is not an emplaced weapon on a building's battlements, but a gun emplacement.

It then says about gun emplacements:

"One non-vehicle model in base contact with a gun emplacement can fire it instead of firing his own weapon, following the normal rules for shooting"

The rules clearly distinguish between a model firing an Aegis Defence Line's Quad Gun and firing its own weapon, so quite clearly the Quad Gun is not the model's own weapon and therefore Tomb Blades do not convey their ranged weapons' Ignores Cover to the Quad Gun.

It is his weapon for the purposes of that shooting attack. The rule does not say the weapons listed in his wargear gain Ignore Cover.

Fragile wrote:
It is his weapon for the purposes of that shooting attack. The rule does not say the weapons listed in his wargear gain Ignore Cover.

Do you have rules to support that?

Gun emplacement rules state a gun emplacement is fired "instead of (the model's) own weapon", not "as if it were (the model's) own weapon".

brb Gun Emplacements wrote: "One non-vehicle model in base contact with a gun emplacement can fire it instead of firing its own weapons."

The rules don't appear to back that statement up.

 Mr. Shine wrote:

Fragile wrote:
It is his weapon for the purposes of that shooting attack. The rule does not say the weapons listed in his wargear gain Ignore Cover.

Do you have rules to support that?

Gun emplacement rules state a gun emplacement is fired "instead of (the model's) own weapon", not "as if it were (the model's) own weapon".

The rules are in the BRB under "The Shooting Phase".

"Select a weapon the firing unit is equipped with."

If the gun emplacement does not count as equipped by the model then the unit can't fire it using the rules for the shooting sequence and it cannot use the firing models BS. You can't cherry pick.

Did you read the quote above? It overrides the basic shooting rule of only shooting it's own weapons.

Tekron wrote:

 Mr. Shine wrote:

Fragile wrote:
It is his weapon for the purposes of that shooting attack. The rule does not say the weapons listed in his wargear gain Ignore Cover.

Do you have rules to support that?

Gun emplacement rules state a gun emplacement is fired "instead of (the model's) own weapon", not "as if it were (the model's) own weapon".

The rules are in the BRB under "The Shooting Phase".

"Select a weapon the firing unit is equipped with."

If the gun emplacement does not count as equipped by the model then the unit can't fire it using the rules for the shooting sequence and it cannot use the firing models BS. You can't cherry pick.

The rules for gun emplacements don't state a model is equipped with the gun emplacement. What they do state is that it may be fired instead of (the model's) own weapon, specifically modifying that step of the shooting process.

You accuse me of cherry picking when I am not; stop misrepresenting the rules yourself.