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Well.... Here are some photos of the Hithaeglir Heavy Great-Goblins and the Command Stand (and the miniature I recovered).

Photos 1 & 2 are images of the entire group (one front, one slightly above).

Then I have a photo of the recovered miniature I lost. Notice the base he is on and its coloration. Imagine that base, but as a styrene plasticard circle 1" in diameter, with some green flocking in patches of grass, and you will have the most identifiable means of recognizing one of my miniatures.

That this miniature was not stripped, nor was the first one I recovered, is an indication that I doubt any of them were stripped. And this miniature is one of my earlier paint jobs, which was not particularly good when compared to 1985 - 1995, when I was reaching the top of my game).

Then I have some images of a few elements from the Hithaeglir Heavy Great-Goblin unit showing the detail of shields and bodies.

You can see here when I talk about my work being sub-par, splotchy, sloppy, and the paint clumpy.... I was just in too great of a rush.

You will notice, in the right of the unit, there are two elements/bases that do not have the white styrene laminate yet applied to them.

These two bases I will get some additional images of later, when I can take photos again, because you can see a marked difference in them and the other figures as far as cleanliness, and better blending of the flesh (it is still far below my expectations, though).

Also... being able to photograph the miniatures has revealed how far my eyesight has decayed, as I can see flaws in the paint that I used to be able to pick up with my unaided eye.

Lastly, I have some detail shots of the command figures.

Here, I can see a flaw in the right eye of the commander I need to fix (the iris extends outside of the eye), and I need to put pupils into the eyes, and maybe a specular highlight on the iris.

I am just going to write most of the errors off as being "not visible to the naked eye," and just get this unit finished, so that I can go on to the others (I have five more units of Great-Goblins, seven of Lesser-Goblins, one of Snaga, one of Wolf/Warg-Riders, and one of trolls - so I have no shortage of these to work on improving. And this doesn't even count the Lesser Goblins I am sculpting to replace the older Ral partha figures).

MB


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Oh!

And please excuse the fact that I had my iris on my camera closed so tightly, and thus my depth of field was so shallow.

I forgot to tell the camera to open it.

MB

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Sad... :(

MB

Oh hey, never saw this thread. Fantasy and especially non-standard fantasy tends to lose out in the comment stakes on this forum sadly!

I love your Goblins, they look great. Especially like the work on the shields, adds a lot of interest to the models.

The blue skin is a pretty interesting choice- striking, and I think it looks really good in the large units but odd on individuals!

Can't wait to see it based and finished, looks like a properly chaotic rabble right now.

They look great! While I can't say I'm a massive fan of some of the models themselves (purely on aesthetic preference), the paintwork, and especially the fantastic shields, is excellent!

 Da Boss wrote:
Oh hey, never saw this thread. Fantasy and especially non-standard fantasy tends to lose out in the comment stakes on this forum sadly!

I love your Goblins, they look great. Especially like the work on the shields, adds a lot of interest to the models.

The blue skin is a pretty interesting choice- striking, and I think it looks really good in the large units but odd on individuals!

Can't wait to see it based and finished, looks like a properly chaotic rabble right now.

I am very conflicted by the Blue-Skinned Orcs at the moment.

They are basically an homage to the 1977 Rankin-Bass production of The Hobbit (ironically, for all of its flaws, a superior production of Tolkien's novel than is Peter Jackson's Trilogy in terms of faithfulness to the source).

So... I may not do any more of them than I already have.

Technically, Goblins/Orcs are much more uniform in flesh-tones than the vast majority of popular depictions would admit; especially Peter Jackson's impetigo infected Orcs.

So... I may alter the future paint-jobs to reflect a more uniform palatte that Tolkien Described (Ruddy, Yellowish Flesh tones - basically the color of your typical Asiatic Steppe hoard, such as Mongols, which is what he intended the Orcs to be, basically).

The Army is composed of:

• 2 Units of 9 elements/bases of Heavy Foot Great-Goblins (like this unit)
• 2 Units of 8 - 9 elements/bases of Medium Foot Great-Goblins (same figures, but 3 to an element/base on 80x40mm bases, instead of the 80x30mm of the Heavy Foot)
— The Medium Foot Great-Goblins also have one archer figure per element/base
• 2 Units of 4 elements/bases of Light Foot Great-Goblin Archers/Skirmishers (2 archers on th 80x40mm bases)

1 Unit of 8 - 9 elements/bases of Heavy Foot Lesser-Goblins (Lesser-Goblin general's bodyguard - 4 figures per 80x30mm base)
2 Units of 8 - 9 elements/bases of Medium Foot Lesser-Goblins (3 figures - no archers - per 80x40mm base)
1 Unit of 8 elements of Medium Foot Lesser-Goblin Archers (3 figures per 80x40mm base as formed archers)
2 Units of 4 elements/bases of Light Foot Lesser-Goblin Archer Skirmishers (2 figures per 80x40mm base)
1 unit of 6 elements/bases of Snaga Hoards (6 - 7 figures per 80x60mm base)

1 unit of 4 elements/bases of Trolls (2 trolls per 80x60mm base)
2 units of 4 elements/bases of Wolf/Warg-Riders (2 Wolf-Riders per 80x60mm base)


I will probably do most ofthe Lesser-Goblins in more uniform skin/flesh-tones than the Greater-Goblins (although the Skimishers and Medium Foot tend to have more lighter Skin/flesh-tones overall than the Heavy Great-Goblins).

There is some textual support for Blue(ish) skin on a Great-Goblin/Orc, but it is in reference to "Black Uruks," which these are supposed to represent.

I also, in some of the other units, have Goblins/Orcs with grey/black skin/flesh-tones.

But overall.... This unit has the most variation in skin/flesh-tones, as I began it over a year ago, before I had thought much about the issue, and have since come to the conclusion that skin coloration among Orcs was not as varied as has been depicted.

They would tend to be like any other Tribal or Ethnic group, and tend to have a more-or-less consistent skin coloration among a single tribal or ethnic group.

And....

Thank you for the comments.

I am glad that the shields seem to be a hit.

They are supposed to be Goblins/Orcs of the Northern Hithaeglir, during the Early/Mid-3rd Age, when Sauron was thought defeated.

The Goblins/Orcs would thus not have the "great red eye" we tend to associate with fealty to Sauron, and would instead have devices and heraldry that reflected tribal and ethnic groupings.

The runes on the Standard indicate the general's name leading the army (read right-left, up-down)

Skraefa Väsdh: Elf Killer, Dwarf <something> .... There is a non-standard character in the last word, indicating what exactly Skraefa does to Dwarves. I will figure it out eventually.

His name is derived from a Turkish/Hunnish language (Turqu). His surname references his sexual prowess.

The shields themselves either reference devotion to Skraefa, or disdain for anything not Orcish, especially Dwarves and Elves.

I am trying to find a rapidiograph that will work more than half and hour with white ink in it, to do the shields on later Units, as the Rapidiograph allows for the writing of incredibly tiny lines (.015mm) that are exceptionally straight and clear.

MB

The shields are especially nice/good.



.. Would you like this moving to the painting blog section ?

If so just hit the yellow alert button and ask for a move.

It could also work in the LotR section - especially if the figures in it will be LotR-centric. Probably a better place to find a receptive audience for them as well. (But P&M Blogs would also be good).

 Azazelx wrote:
It could also work in the LotR section - especially if the figures in it will be LotR-centric. Probably a better place to find a receptive audience for them as well. (But P&M Blogs would also be good).

Everything I am doing right now, fantasy-wise, is Middle-earth oriented.

When I get enough of my Middle-earth stuff finished, then I will shift to Hyborian Fantasy stuff.

I really only have four miniature areas I deal with:

• Fantasy (Middle-earth, primarily)
• Sci-Fi (6mm and 15mm, mostly Traveller or Niven's Known Space)
• WWII
• Ancients/Historicals (700BC - 1200AD)

MB

Ask for the thread to be moved to the LotR section in that case. More interested eyes and specific feedback, rather than being lost amongst the Space Marines.

I got the Command Stand nearly finished.

I managed to sculpt some horrifically bad horns onto the Great-Goblin General's helmet. I used wire that was too thick for the core, which made the horns thicker than they were supposed to be, and then an accident with bad Milliput (it would not harden) left the helmet scraped up, which is going to present some difficulties come time to re-paint it.

And I got the standard cut from a piece of lead-foil.

I am going to experiment with something I learned from plastic modeling to create a cloth texture on the standard.

You place a piece of toilet-tissue over the surface before you paintit, and then you paint over the tissue, into the surface below it, causing the tissue to adhere.

When it dries, it looks almost exactly like canvas. Shading this surface is tricky, as you obviously cannot dry brush over it.

But it creates a stunning appearance when done correctly (I won my first painting competition using this method on a WWII 155mm Long Howitzer battery's tow vehicles - they had canvas covers over the tow vehicle's cabin, and over the ammo storage trailers).

Here, I will be trying to make the Great-Goblin General's Army Standard look like rough cloth, with a Vulture painted on it (My Goblin General's Army Standards are: Wolf, Vulture - for the Great-Goblins; Crow, Blood-Moon, and Dragon for the Lesser-Goblin Generals; and a Wolf biting a snake for the Wolf/Warg-Riders - I need to sculpt the standard bearer figure though - or do a conversion).

Pictures will be coming as soon as I finish the Great-Goblin general's helmet.

MB


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Horns on the Great-Goblin general are now greatly improved after a secondary fix.

The tiniest tip broke off the left horn, though, making them slightly asymmetric, but otherwise things are looking up.

Now to finish the Standard, get the Command Element finished, and then base the rest of the unit.

MB