Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
Times and dates in your local timezone.
Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.
2015/03/20 15:03:51
Subject: Eldar Rumors - Page 24/25 first info & pics.
Due to massive size this thread will be organized by rumor source
RULES
Spoiler:
via Iuchiban 4-18-2015
Phoenix Lords:
Asurmen (220)
4++ (3++ if fighting in a challenge). Gets 1D3 Warlord traits. Sword is +1S, AP2, Mastercrafterd. For each wound take a Ld test. If failed model dies.
Jain Zar (200)
When fighting in a challange, Jain Zar chooses a weapon of is opponent. He may not use this weapon. If done so, Jain Zar has -1A. Enemy models at +6″ get -5 to WS (Mínimum 1). Her sword is AP2, Shred.
Karandras (200)
When arriving from reserves can choose any border. His mandiblaster ignores ALL saves.
Fuegan (220)
He gets +1S and +1A for each lost wound.
Baharroth (170)
When DS all units at 6″ are treated as hit by a weapon with the Blind SR.
Maugan Ra (195)
Can fire his Maugetar twice per turn (That means 8 S6 Rending shots). Maugetar has an alternative profile: Assault 1, S1, Poison 2+. If one model dies, put 5″ marker. All models under the template get a S5 AP4 hit.
On top of that, they have as well the rules listed for their Aspects.
Also I will add that illic night spears weapon has lost distort but always has precision shot and can give that to ranger units he joins.
via Iuchiban 4-17-2015
Ok. Let’s go.
All Distortion weapons are Strenght D. All of them. But the scythes apply a -1 when rolling on the D table, and the strenght is considered to be 4 when calculating the instant death.
Step by step.
Banshees add +3″ when running or assaulting. They igoner the I penalti when assualting through cover.
There are no “chapter tactics”.
Yes they have:
Primaris: Guide (no changes)
1: Executioner: Focussed witch fire. 24″. Target receives 3 hits, always wounds on 2+. If target diez, another model receives 2 hits. If target dies another gone receives 1 hit.
2: Fatality: You re-roll to wound or to penetrate when firing at target unit. 24″
3: Will of Asuryan: 12″ bubble of Fear and Adamantium will
4: Fortune: As always
5: Mind fight: Mainly the same.
6: Ancestral Storm: Warp charges 3 (5″ blast), Warp charge 4 (Apoc blast), 24″, Haywire, wounds 2+
Names may be different in the English version. (I own the Spanish one).
Wraithknight is LoW (295 points), Jump gargantuan creature
Wraithguard/blades are not tropos anymore if taking a Spiritseer (Only Elites)
Crimson hunter basically the same, but 140 points only.
No changes on Battle focus of the bladestorm rule. No hints on the Iyanden codex
(Wraithknight) Sword + Shield: Free (Sword is Strenght D)
Solar cannon + Shield: Free
(The Wraithknight’s Heavy Wraithcannons) Is the equipment by default.
(Jetbikes) 17/model, every model can purchase one scatter laser or shuriken cannon for +10 points
(Wraithknight Suncannon) Sun (Sorry for the “solar”) remains the same.
(Wave) Serpents are 110 points, and shield is now: S6, Assault 2D6, Ignores cover, One use only.
Shining spears have 4+ cover save if they moved the previous turn. 25/model. Lance is: 6″, F6, Assault 1, Lance. In combat: +3F when charging. Both are AP3.
Wraithblades: Same but 30/model and have Rage.
Hemlock: Same cost, has Lvl 2, can choose Daemonology (Sacred), Telepathy and Battle Runes. D-Scythes are a special D weapon as mentioned above,.
Scorpions: 17/model, Infiltration, Stealth, and Shrouded until they fire or fight in combat
Warp Spiders: 19/model Monofilament rule has changed.They roll to wound against I, although the T is still used to calculate ID.
Hawks: 16/model, they move 18″, and when moving over a Flyer the can do a special attack. Hits on 4+, S4, AP4 Haywire
(Wraithguard) Cost is the same.
(Regards to Autarchs and Swooping Hawk “no scatter”) Basically the same.
(Squadrons of Falcons/Fire Prisms/Night Spinners) YEEEEESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Up to three!!!!!!!! And they have special rules if done so:
Falcon: if Deep Strike, first Falcon does not scatter. Others are place at 4″.
Fire Prism: For each additional Fire Prism firing +1S / -1AP
Night Spinners: +1S for each Night spinner
(Serpent Shield) Nop, only 24″ (range)
(Eldar Warhost Detachment) The main bonus of the Warhost is that they always run 6″.
(Serpent Shield Defence) When working as a shield, it works as before.
Falcon can DS only if taken in a unit of 3.
Guardians: Same
Dire avengers: They overwatch with BS2
Avatar is LoW, but mainly the same
I cannot see any psyker being able to get malefic daemonology
Formation rules:
Guardian battlehost: Vypers, Warwalkers and Vaul’s support batteries get preferred enemy if they have a unit of Guardias at 12″. Guardians can purchase a Platform for free.
Windrider host: Once per game all formation gets Shred when firing shuriken weapons
Guardian Stormhost: Vypers, Warwalkers and Vaul’s support batteries get preferred enemy if they have a unit of Guardias at 12″. Storm guardians can purchase 2 special weapons for free.
Seer council: They harness Warp charges with 3+.
Aspect Host: They re-roll LD tests and get +1 to WS or BS.
Dire Avenger Shrine: Once per game, Shuriken weapons are Assault 3. +1 to BS Crimson Death: Preferred enemy (Flying things), 4+ cover save, and if Jink, may re-roll the cover save.
Wraithhost: Get battle trance, if targe is at 18″ or less from spiritser, reroll to hit
(Warp Spider guns) Why is that? You still have S6. Target needs to have I6 to wound him on 4+.
(Dire Avengers Troops) Yes, they are.
Before leaving I will post the list of special ítems:
– A pistol S4, AP3, Rending
– A sword +2S, AP- Rending and if fighting in a challenge, wounds on 2+ and Instant Death
– One sniper rifle, AP2, 120″
– One ítem that if bearer does not cast any phychic power, or shots during the shooting phase, he can run 48″ and may reroll cover saves.
– One sword +1S, AP3, Soulblaze (affects wounded unit and all enemy units at 6″)
– One ítem that when bearer diez, 5″ template is placed and all models suffer one S4, AP5 hit. If at least, one wound is infflicted, bearer comes back to life, with 1W. One use only
– One ítem that makes psyhic powers required 1 WC less. No inv saves if done so.
Dire Avengers: Overwatch at BS2 OR get counter attack and stubborn
Exarch: 4++
Howling banshees: +3" when running or assaulting. Ignore I penalties when assaulting through difficult terrain. Fear. No Overwatch allowed when Banshees assault
Exarch: Units in CC with the Banshees have -2L
Striking Scorpions: Stealth. Shrouded until the fire or assault.
Exarch: During a challenge compare I values. Exarch gets +1A for each point his I is better tan his oponent.
Fire Dragons: +1 on the vehicle damage chart.
Exarch: Once per turn, may reroll one to hit, to wound or to penetrare roll
Swooping Haws: If the move over a flier, every modl gets one special attack that hits on 4+, S4, AP4, Haywire. They move 18"
Exarch: His unit does not scatter if DS
Warp Spiders: They may jump during the opponent's shooting phase. If after the jum, the spiders are out of LoS or reach, firing unit cannot choose another target.
Exarch: His unit reroll all LD tests
Shining Spears: 4+ cover sabe
Exarch: Reroll to wound vs MC and rerolls to penétrate
Dark Reapers: Reroll to hit if target is: Flier, has turboboosted previous turn or moved flat out
Exarch: His weapon fires one more shot tan normally. For example: Heavy 2 becomes Heavy 3
Upgrades are:
Ignore Stunnig and Shaken with 4+ and 2+ (10 points)
Move through cover (10 points)
When moving flat out: 24" (15 points)
Once per game after moving flat out, may fire a single weapon at full BS (25 points)
Holofields: 5++ (15 points) flyers can't take
Battle runes are basically same:
Primaris: Shrouded / removes Stealth and Shrouded
1: Heavy Flamer / A model recovers a W
2: Fearless / -3 to Ld to target
3: +1 to WS and I / -1 to WS and I
4: +1 to armour sabe / -1 to armour sabe
5: Unit runs +3" / Target cannot run
6: +1S / -1S
Warlord traits.
1: 12" bubble. Once per game reroll 1's to wound
2: 1D3 units get Scout special rule
3: Warlord and his unit run +3"
4: Warlord rerolls all 1's when saving
5: Warlord has divide fire special rule
6: Friendly units do not scatter if DS at 12" from Warlord.
Also Iuchiban's thoughts after using the 'dex:
Just finished my first game vs Necrons. I took a normal CAD + wraith host detachment. Opponent run a Decurion detachment.
Here are my first impressions:
- Wraithknight is absurdly good. I run the Sun cannon + Shield one. Fire the Sun Cannon at some Inmortals, fire the scatter laser were I want to assault. 3+/5++/FnP in a R8 W6 model? Really this guy is unstoppable.
- Fire Dragons are redundant. D-scythes destroy vehicles much better. 5 auto hits that on a 3+ cause one penetrating hit with D3 hull points. No cover. And if there is a unit of Necrons Warriors inside the barge ..... This unit is simply OBSCENE. If they are in the detachment they have Battle Trance ... run + shoot the D-scythe. No more to say
- Warpspiders are much better now. They destroy one C'tan Shard in a single volley. They wound on 2+ to almost everything in the game. They are Little bit worse vs vehicles now ....
- Farseers are really good now. Rerolling one psychic test per turn is very powerful when you need to harness 4 Warp Charges for that Apocaliptic blast power.
- Guardians as usual. Cheap troops
Lords Of War Gaming-
Spoiler:
Lords Of War Gaming wrote:Yes. After Admech it will be codex Craftworld: Eldar. Plastic jetbikes and Artach.
RedFox wrote: Lots of new info from Lords of War Gaming
- Raven Guard vs Tau boxset
- new Space Marine codex this summer
- Eldar codex after Ad Mech
- Tau codex later this year
Raven guard vs Tau and should be out before Tau release.
Don't know about a Raven Guard supplement but Adeptus Astartes: Space Marines will release this summer.
Yes. After Admech it will be codex Craftworld: Eldar. Plastic jetbikes and Artach.
Sad Panda wrote:
There is no summer campaign. Not Sisters vs. Tzeentch. Not CSM vs. Dark Angels. Not Eldar. Those rumors are all nonsense.
Eldar get new Codex, similar to Necrons. Wraithknights gain some weight.
WhispererOfTruth
Spoiler:
WhispererOfTruth's supposed 2015 release schedule. SALT. Spoilered due to massive size.
WhispererofTruth wrote: Hehe rumour time. Eldar are coming, but that release list? Err no. 40k release list for the next year and abit ahoy!
Eldar Week1: Plastic Jetbikes/Shining Spears
Week 2: Clampack Autarch and Codex
Dark Angels Week 1: Tac Squad and Codex
Week 2: Summer Campaign Book Volume 1: Eldar Admech and DA vs Khorne
Tzeentch Week 1: New Daemon Unit
Week 2: Lord of Change
Week 3: Rubric Marines + Campaign Book Volume 2 (DA, Admech, Eldar, Harlequins + Khorne and Tzeentch)(Including a Tzeentch Daemonkin type supplement + rules for the new units.)
Week 4: Campaign Box: Clampack Sorceror and Chaplain
Assassin Boxed Game Plastic Assassins.
Tau Week1: Campaign Box: Tau vs RG (Plastic Commander and Captain)
Week2: Clampack Ethereal and Codex
And every thing is abit vague after that for me. But after that will be more Admech, Horus Heresy, Space Marines inc; Assault Squad, Sisters, Nurgle and Slaanesh stuff.
Faeit 212
Spoiler:
Naftka wrote:Via an Anymonous Source on Faeit 212 (So SALT.)
Expect the next Eldar book to follow the same formula, a primary detachment of one Autarch, two Guardian Defender squads, one Dire Avenger Squad, and one squad of Jet bikes, and then a formation for each of the aspect warriors and their respective phoenix lord, a tank formation, a wrath formation, a ranger formation, Vypes with a tax, crimson hunters, Avatar with a tax, and then a Farseer with Warlocks for a command detachment.
Naftka (3/30) wrote:
There are a lot of rumors floating around right now, and one of them in particular points to Eldar being after the admech release. I believe the original rumor was not referring to Skitarii, but to a full admech codex that was a part of rumors before. Sadly though, a lot of rumors were deleted by the source himself regarding what was coming.
So are Eldar coming next? There are a couple of hints that have been floating around.
- Windrider Jetbikes are not on the GW webstore right now. This has been reported on many sites, and while I have not checked every countries site, its not on the US site at the time of writing this article.
- Lords of War Gaming Yes. After Admech it will be codex Craftworld: Eldar. Plastic jetbikes and Artach.” Im not quite so sure about this one right now. A full codex release was suggested, but a release of several models have also been mentioned.
- No Codex Releases. Other rumors though have also said that there will be no replacing of any of the major codices. Space Marines, Eldar, and Tau, which could lead any Eldar releases to be part of a campaign or smaller releases.
- Rumor Reverb There has been a lot, and many of them have been complete rumor reverb, or even taken a step beyond that. So while I won't substantiate specific rumors, of accuse others of just wishlisting, its created a mess when trying to sort them out.
What I have received though was something tagged onto the end of an email regarding Skitarii (which has panned out as real), from a good source. So while I dont know how serious he was, or have any additional information, here is what he said regarding Eldar.
New eldar codex out in two or three weeks!
If I get more information I will let you know.
Naftka (4/1) wrote:
There are a whole new series of re-directs, that shows a new codex called Eldar Craftworlds, along with many other model releases, including new Eldar Jetbikes and more. Check out the latest in re-directs.
What is a Re-direct?
Its when you type something into the website, and that site auto corrects what you put in. Presumably because the address is already being worked on or saved. Here is today's step by step
anticitizen013 wrote: Of course just as I have an inkling to do a fast Eldar army, the rumours of jetbikes start happening (or rather resurface). Maybe it's a Vyper?
I could see a new viper kit, that sucker’s pretty old, even by Eldar standards. They could duel kit it into a viper/CE venom kit, as a light transport. Similar to the harli one that just came out.
I’d love there to be some truth to these rumors. I should get back to painting my old jetbikes, so they can be finished if/when new ones come out. I’ll take my time.
Regarding existing plastic Aspects: Dire Avengers (oh, and the new flyer aspect too, but that's not really comparable). Looking forward to see which they translate to plastic.
The old jetbikes are stupid looking too. I mean, the riders look so impossibly static for something that is supposed to be going incredibly fast. Not to mention their sweet jackets...
2015/03/20 16:25:50
Subject: Eldar Miniature Murmerings - (BoLS, Apply Salt)
Dire Avengers are definitely plastic, and an argument could POSSIBLY be made for Harlequins being aspect warriors (I realize they aren't, but somebody could probably find a way to argue it). So, yes, there's at least one Aspect Warrior group in plastic (Avengers). So it's a fair statement.
Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.
Manchu wrote:I'm a Catholic. We eat our God.
Due to work, I can usually only ship any sales or trades out on Saturday morning. Please trade/purchase with this in mind.
2015/03/20 16:26:47
Subject: Eldar Miniature Murmerings - (BoLS, Apply Salt)
Larry Vela - Birds In The Trees wrote:
There are a lot of factions getting love this year. Here’s the latest on the Craftworld Eldar and what is under development:
via Birds in the Trees 3-19-2015
Eldar will receive new miniatures releases this year, but probably not a new codex.
Eldar will be part of one of the year’s two 40K campaign sets.
So Shield of Baal: 2: Electric Elf Boogaloo? I suppose we can see that model for every campaign release judging by how successful it was.
Miniatures listed are:
1 Small Vehicle box (chatter says a Jetbike based unit)
Possibly plastic Shining Spears or updated Windrider Jetbikes? The "1 vehicle" makes it likely to be some random thing, but it's always probable something is incorrect in the rumor.
2 5-model infantry boxes (2 more Aspects move to plastic)
2 MORE? When were any Aspects in plastic? Seems weird that only 2/8 (I think) aspects are moving to plastic.
2 Clampack models (chatter points to 2 updated plastic Phoenix Lords)
So I'm guessing it's a "Aspect themed" release? Maybe the Phoenix Lords will be the Lords of the aspects that move to plastic?
These rumors are rated: Probable, coming from trusted known sources.
My thoughts in Purple.
Please for the love of God, don't do that. If you want to put your thoughts in?
Do it after the quote.
Anyways, a "small vehicle box" refers to anything from the Venom or what we just saw with the Harlequins for their jetbikes.
Dire Avengers are plastic. And the Crimson Hunters are an Aspect.
The clampacks are likely to be Autarchs of some type.
2015/03/20 16:28:17
Subject: Eldar Miniature Murmerings - (BoLS, Apply Salt)
No, this is almost certainly tosh. Especially as this specifically says "no new codex this year" and LoW who have a much better track record, have hinted there could be.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Biel tan and Sam Hein supplements with new plastic aspects and jetbikes would be a great move. They've been making good decisions since the calender turned over...
BlaxicanX wrote: A young business man named Tom Kirby, who was a pupil of mine until he turned greedy, helped the capitalists hunt down and destroy the wargamers. He betrayed and murdered Games Workshop.
2015/03/20 18:32:29
Subject: Eldar Miniature Murmerings - (BoLS, Apply Salt)
Eldarain wrote: Biel tan and Sam Hein supplements with new plastic aspects and jetbikes would be a great move. They've been making good decisions since the calender turned over...
I would expect them to do a new Codex: Eldar so that they can remove the Harlequins from that book before we see more supplements.
2015/03/20 18:42:54
Subject: Eldar Miniature Murmerings - (BoLS, Apply Salt)
H.B.M.C. wrote: I thought rumours from Eddie Vedder were usually no good?
Well, we can't find a better man...
-C6
Yeah, but without all these anonymous sources, how would the rumors even flow?
Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?
All the good info has a name attached as a rule, Hastings. Harry, Lords Of Wargaming, latterly Sad Panda etc etc
Anonymous sources seems to be blogger speak for "made up for clicks"
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
I think if anyone is 50/50 on the tracker, I'd peg them as "good guesser" rather than "legitimate source of information" unless I had a really good look at the rumours they'd got right and they were the sort of left field things that accurately guessing would be highly improbable, which I, admittedly, haven't done with Nightfury.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Well. Via Lords of Wargaming. Eldar apparently after AdMech
Yes. After Admech it will be codex Craftworld: Eldar. Plastic jetbikes and Artach.
RedFox wrote: Lots of new info from Lords of War Gaming
- Raven Guard vs Tau boxset
- new Space Marine codex this summer
- Eldar codex after Ad Mech
- Tau codex later this year
Raven guard vs Tau and should be out before Tau release.
Don't know about a Raven Guard supplement but Adeptus Astartes: Space Marines will release this summer.
Yes. After Admech it will be codex Craftworld: Eldar. Plastic jetbikes and Artach.
Eldarain wrote: Biel tan and Sam Hein supplements with new plastic aspects and jetbikes would be a great move. They've been making good decisions since the calender turned over...
Biel-Tan supplement would be amazing. I'll see.
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/03/28 18:47:12
2015/03/28 18:52:37
Subject: Eldar Miniature Murmerings - (BoLS, Apply Salt)
The AdMech stuff is already set in motion. On the Eldar: I've been told it's a full codex, but only new Jetbikes (could be two boxes for different unit types thoug - interpretation of mine) and a few characters with it.
Via Warhams-77 on Warseer
2015/03/28 22:41:47
Subject: Eldar Miniature Murmerings - (BoLS, Apply Salt)
Considering that Eldar already have a big model in the current codex, what kind of totally unnecessary new release wil we get? A spaceship? Perhaps a mini craftworld? Because I'm betting the bikes are not being upgraded, those models are there to stay until the last eldar dies.
M.
Jenkins: You don't have jurisdiction here!
Smith Jamison: We aren't here, which means when we open up on you and shred your bodies with automatic fire then this will never have happened.
About the Clans: "Those brief outbursts of sense can't hold back the wave of sibko bred, over hormoned sociopaths that they crank out though."
2015/03/29 02:59:35
Subject: Eldar Miniature Murmerings - (BoLS, Apply Salt)
Miguelsan wrote: Considering that Eldar already have a big model in the current codex, what kind of totally unnecessary new release wil we get? A spaceship? Perhaps a mini craftworld? Because I'm betting the bikes are not being upgraded, those models are there to stay until the last eldar dies.
M.
They are trying to keep up with the Mon Keigh and now will field an eldar on a jetbike riding a jetbike
LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13
I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14
2015/03/29 03:10:47
Subject: Eldar Miniature Murmerings - (BoLS, Apply Salt)
Maybe spiders and scorpions, not to many scorpions with breasts or banshees without
LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13
I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14
Theophony wrote: Maybe spiders and scorpions, not to many scorpions with breasts or banshees without
GW's elves tend to have skinny limbs and wasp waists so a lot of elf/eldar kits have both male and female torsos, one of high elf kits can be build as an all male or all female squad.