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Good day ladies and gents,

So like a lot of you, I'm quite appalled by what GW did with the new Eldar codex. And for me, things have reached a tipping point. I am no longer content to sit on my ass and just complain. I want to do something about it, and I hope some/most of you will join me and send a strong message to the company that makes the game we all love so much.

This is what I will be doing:
-I will call Customer Service daily to let them know I will not be buying anymore GW products until the Studio issues a FAQ fixing the issues with balance of the Eldar Codex.
-In addition, I will write an e-mail daily to Customer Service and the FAQ e-mail adress saying the same thing above.
-I will follow through with the above threats and will not purchase any new GW products, new or used (because used products sales are often used to finance new GW purchases), until the Eldar Codex has been FAQed.
-I will spread the word and encourage others to participate.

Speak up in this thread if you want to join me in making GW listen for a change.

I will join you in never ever buying a single Eldar model!

Ahh, the Andy DuFresne method of change.

I will continue to only buy used or discount and avoid giving money directly to GW.

FWIW telling all nay sayers to bugger off is not very productive. You might learn a thing or two from considering opposing viewpoints.

 Rippy wrote:
I will join you in never ever buying a single Eldar model!

I'm not buying any GW models whatsoever, Eldar or otherwise.

lustigjh wrote:
Ahh, the Andy DuFresne method of change.

I will continue to only buy used or discount and avoid giving money directly to GW.

FWIW telling all nay sayers to bugger off is not very productive. You might learn a thing or two from considering opposing viewpoints.

What is there to consider from someone saying "you're wasting your time, GW will never listen"?


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First e-mail fired:

"Good day to whomever may be reading this,

I would like to express my deep concern with the changes that have been made to the Eldar Codex in its new iteration as Codex Eldar Craftworlds. Foremost amongst these are:
-The fact that every Windrider Jetbike can purchase a shuriken cannon or scatter laser for 10 pts.
-The fact that every Distorsion Weapon is now a Strength D weapon.
-The fact that the Wraithknight is severely underpointed compared to all other Superheavies/Gargantuans of similar abilities and stats.

I call on you, Games Workshop, to adress these issues in a FAQ as promptly as possible. Until this gets done, I will not purchase anymore GW products of any kind.

Thank you for your time."

This was sent to both custserv@gwplc.com and gamefaqs@gwplc.com

I got the automated reply from gamefaqs saying they received my e-mail.

Games Workshop sells collectibles. They do not sell a game. While I see what you are trying to do, the reality is that they are unlikely to care about complaints related to the "game" itself. What you are doing would have to be done en masse by the player-base as a whole to even scratch the surface. The company is looking more and more like TSR nowadays.

Negativity aside, I wish you the best of luck.

 Nightwolf829 wrote:
What you are doing would have to be done en masse by the player-base as a whole to even scratch the surface.

Yes, obviously if its just me doing it, I'll just be a voice lost in the wilderness. So get involved! It takes like, no effort, and at worst, things will just stay the same. So why not?

Well I guess you objection will not be successful.
We have seen that GW listens but it may take time.

 wuestenfux wrote:
We have seen that GW listens but it may take time.

That may be true but best a positive outcome in the long term than no positive outcome at all, wouldn't you say?

Personally I'm going to actually play a few games with and against the new codex before reacting as you have.

Despite me thinking you have gone early on this I do actually wish you luck - it would be fantastic if the community could help convince GW that a lot of us are interested in more than just collecting and would appreciate them engaging with us and our wants.

I think you responding to rumours before a release will be deemed by GW as hysterical behaviour*. Just because they don't play test doesn't mean they will respond to you who hasn't played with the new unreleased codex - heavily leaked or not.

*your email was measured but if you and everyone responds to rumours GW will likely laugh it off. If the codex had have been released for even a short time and then a mass of people complained your concerns would likely have more weight behind them.

 Wise Guy Sam wrote:
Personally I'm going to actually play a few games with and against the new codex before reacting as you have.

Despite me thinking you have gone early on this I do actually wish you luck - it would be fantastic if the community could help convince GW that a lot of us are interested in more than just collecting and would appreciate them engaging with us and our wants.

I think you responding to rumours before a release will be deemed by GW as hysterical behaviour*. Just because they don't play test doesn't mean they will respond to you who hasn't played with the new unreleased codex - heavily leaked or not.

*your email was measured but if you and everyone responds to rumours GW will likely laugh it off. If the codex had have been released for even a short time and then a mass of people complained your concerns would likely have more weight behind them.

You bring up good points, and I did indeed consider waiting until the book actually drops, but I decided to move forward right now to capitalise on the shock the 40k community is currently feeling in the hopes others will get onboard to try to get this mess fixed as soon as possible.

I hope that once you have playtested these changes yourself, you will do so yourself if it ends up being as bad as it seems to be (and I'm honestly confident it will be, or else I wouldn't be bothering in the first place).

Deschenus Maximus wrote:

 Wise Guy Sam wrote:
Personally I'm going to actually play a few games with and against the new codex before reacting as you have.

Despite me thinking you have gone early on this I do actually wish you luck - it would be fantastic if the community could help convince GW that a lot of us are interested in more than just collecting and would appreciate them engaging with us and our wants.

I think you responding to rumours before a release will be deemed by GW as hysterical behaviour*. Just because they don't play test doesn't mean they will respond to you who hasn't played with the new unreleased codex - heavily leaked or not.

*your email was measured but if you and everyone responds to rumours GW will likely laugh it off. If the codex had have been released for even a short time and then a mass of people complained your concerns would likely have more weight behind them.

You bring up good points, and I did indeed consider waiting until the book actually drops, but I decided to move forward right now to capitalise on the shock the 40k community is currently feeling in the hopes others will get onboard to try to get this mess fixed as soon as possible.

I hope that once you have playtested these changes yourself, you will do so yourself if it ends up being as bad as it seems to be (and I'm honestly confident it will be, or else I wouldn't be bothering in the first place).

I don't doubt Eldar can be played in a way that will be bloody tough to beat. I'm disappointed with the OP options as it will mud the name of my own army even if I'm a responsible list builder who plays for fun and don't intended to take advantage of some powerful options. And that's before I've played a game.

But my point was a movement like this would be better received if it wasn't based on the shock value of the online community but rather based on the actual experiences of many.

 Wise Guy Sam wrote:
But my point was a movement like this would be better received if it wasn't based on the shock value of the online community but rather based on the actual experiences of many.

You may be right about that. Still, as long as the pressure continues after the book officialy drops, it won't have mattered.

I wasn't going to ever buy Eldar anyway. I don't collect them. Just want to point that out.

Rippy wrote:I wasn't going to ever buy Eldar anyway. I don't collect them. Just want to point that out.

You're not missing anything So many of their models are fugly anyhow, and to build anything interesting, you're stuck with finecast and metal. I'm talking about basic stuff... fire dragons, warlocks, aspect warriors.

Worst bit ever modelled by GW? Dire Avenger head with helm off. There is something just wrong with that model. Worst basic troop in a major faction still in production? Guardians.

lustigjh wrote:Ahh, the Andy DuFresne method of change.

I will continue to only buy used or discount and avoid giving money directly to GW.

FWIW telling all nay sayers to bugger off is not very productive. You might learn a thing or two from considering opposing viewpoints.

Well, other than Forge World, I've practically never bought anything at that wasn't at discount anyhow

Me and my buddies have left GW for now... we decided with the release of the Necron codex in February 2015, the "first cycle" of hardbacks for every army is complete.

No need to start round 2 of the mad circus

Should I show the local GW store manager this thread?

I already emailed GW but not in a demanding kind of way, just asked if they have actually realized allowing 160 S6 shots to be put on the table with a price that doesn't limit the Eldar player too much, and if they realize it's a mistake.

Good luck with that. I eagerly await your copy/paste of the form response telling you that you aren't forging the narrative hard enough and if you don't like a rule, change it yourself. Oh you play in tournaments? You're playing the game "wrong".

In the mean time, myself and thousands of other eldar players will be buying enough to make up for what you aren't spending. Come to think of it, I should probably go order the 3 jetseer kits I need. Thanks for the reminder. I have a feeling this will turn out like the "moms demand action" kroger boycott. The vocal few scream from the roof tops, which brings attention to the product, more people buy than scream from roof tops, company watches profit go up 20%+ instead of the3-4% they were accustomed to.

 Runic wrote:
I already emailed GW but not in a demanding kind of way, just asked if they have actually realized allowing 160 S6 shots to be put on the table with a price that doesn't limit the Eldar player too much, and if they realize it's a mistake.

Theyre aware, theyve also clearly become aware that broken rules sells kits ( funny these would sell anyways) however this will ensure tourney players buy them in truck loads.

Yeah, this is an international company with decades of experience doing this kind of thing.

They know what they are doing.

Good luck in your crusade though, I can see why people would be mad at this.

I bought the limited edition codex. I cannot wait to see the eldar dish out some punishment.... and be squished into paste too! carnage all around!

Naysayers: you will promptly be sent to the Ignore list.

I for one welcome your open minded and mature approach to debating
Time to leave this thread to fester.

I just hope GW does to this idea as they do with all customer requests. Ignore it.

Please, be a nice little grown up and think before you scream bloody murder.

You have not read the codex. Delay judgement until after that.

You have not seen a list from this codex. Delay judgement until after that.

You have not played a few games against the codex. Delay judgement until after that.

There is potential for abuse here but this is everywhere and the cries of "game-breaker", "edition-killer", "blah-blah-blah" come with every single new codex, it is always "OP" "UP" ore something else terrible.

I'm in.

My email to GW.

To whom it may concern.

I have recently had the unfortunateness to find out about your most recent planned release of a new Eldar codex and miniature range.

All I can say is I am disgusted with the company's direction.
Since the release of your 6th edition rule set you have done an incredible job of releasing garbage rules designed to support the sale of your newest units. In addition you have made some very obvious money grab moves such as changing the dire avengers boxed set from 10 to 5 men without actually doing anything to the models.
It has come to my attention that games workshop have made a decision to basically ruin your own game by making it completely unbalanced and favouring a small collection of armies by giving them really powerful rules and/or units.
You seem to have taken the approach that the game rules aren't your concern and you are a model company. If this were true you wouldn't keep releasing rules in such rapid succession.

With the latest incarnation of the Eldar codex, you have made no effort to produce a rule set that is even remotely balanced to the game and as such will ruin the game for everyone. Giving strength D weapons to a fair portion of the army options is in no way balanced. Worse still is giving jetbikes the ability to purchase scatter lasers or shuriken cannons. Do you know how the game works even on a pick up level? They can move 12" shoot 4 strength 6 shots at 36" and then move away in the assault phase. In addition they have objective secured. There is nothing in the game that can match this on any level and only one army that can possibly survive this, Necrons, who incidentally are also really badly designed.
I don't know if you care that a single squad of 10 jet bikes with scatter lasers or shuriken catapults is 270 points and have a damage output of the following.
10 bikes with scatter lasers has 40 shots, with shuriken cannons has 30 shots
Scatter lasers will average 26 hits, shuriken cannons will average 20 hits
Based on the average toughness or 4 or less squad the scatter laser will average 22 wounds whilst the shuriken cannon will cause 16 wounds about 3 of which are rending.

This is the average saves made by a squad based on their armour save.
5+ against a scatter laser 4 saves 18 unsaved, shuriken cannon is 16 dead models
4+ against a scatter laser 11 saves, 11 unsaved, shuriken cannon is 3 dead from rending, and about 6 or 7 saved and 6 or 7 unsaved
3+ scatter laser 15 saves, 7 unsaved, shuriken catapult is 3 dead from rending, 9 saved, 6 unsaved wounds
2+ scatter laser is 18 saves, 4 dead, shuriken cannon is 3 dead from rending, 11 saved, 2 unsaved wounds.

So this unit can effectively remove a squad a turn from the game.

Maybe you are unaware of how people 'actually' play the game or are hopelessly incompetent in writing rules.
Whatever the case as you have made the decision that your player base isn't important and as such I will no longer support your company financially.

I don't need a response to this email, I just wanted to let you know that you are destroying your own game because, believe it or not I care, I've been involved since 1990s (this is not meant to infer some form of prestige).
If your hope was to make more money from these abominable rules, you'll find the opposite to be true, players want to be able to play the game in a relatively fair manner and you are doing everything to prevent this.

Additionally I am going to be selling my models (which could result in lost sales for you) and will not be buying anything again.

A very disgruntled player and customer

Sam Boniface

Sent from my iPad

Well, I hope GW is going to read this.
However, you haven't pointed out how the game works without Jetbikes or Wraithguard with D cannons.
From the perspective of Marines the world looks diffentially.

Outraged email about rumoured rules read on the internet long before the book is actually released isn't gonna carry much authority (yes, despite the fact that the rules leaked are 99.9999% likely to be accurate).

Just sayin.

I have another suggestion: why not a group (a large one or several small ones) in UK go to GW's HQ and politely ask someone to talk to them about the new Eldar codex?
You know, taking the situation to them, instead of just sending e-mails? E-mail can easily be cast aside, but groups going to GW cannot.

Emails and phone calls are easily ignored, sadly. If you really want to try something, mail actual letters to named individuals at GW HQ, and possibly even to the largest investors.

GW will not change. Never. Unless sales absolutely tank, there will be no change whatsoever.

How about actually playing with the new rules first?

Soon enough we will see if these proposed point values are OP. Then GW will FAQ it...
If they don't then you can politely ask the eldar opponent to either tone down or leave out the windriders. Or just tap the next player in your FLGS on the shoulder and play him. Anyway, sending an identical email every day (which we know is not going to happen) is futile.
Come on guys this is being blown way out of proportion and there are many simple solutions to ensure your experience is still enjoyable...boohoo