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So last night after getting stomped by two unexpected Lord of Wars I've decided its time to get one of my own. I'm conflicted over whether to make my first purchase a baneblade (probably the hellhammer varient) or an IK crusader.

In terms of the baneblade, I know the hellhammer is the most expensive option but I like the idea of the turret being able to pivot without having to face my front armor in the direction I want to shoot.

I will end up picking up both eventually and I am more leaning on getting the baneblade first. Is the hellhammer worth the points or is it better to go with something like a shadowsword?

Imperial Knight is 100% better.

If you buy the Baneblade kit you can make all 8 and even magnetise the main weapons so you can swap them all out as you please.

 CrashGordon94 wrote:
If you buy the Baneblade kit you can make all 8 and even magnetise the main weapons so you can swap them all out as you please.

Same can be said for the current Knight kit.

SJ

 jeffersonian000 wrote:

 CrashGordon94 wrote:
If you buy the Baneblade kit you can make all 8 and even magnetise the main weapons so you can swap them all out as you please.

Same can be said for the current Knight kit.

SJ

Also good to know, main reason to say is that OP doesn't need to pick a specific one.

Game wise, the Imperial Knight is better. On the other hand, a Baneblade looks much cooler, and you can paint it in the same colour scheme as your IG regiment without it looking tacky.

Depends. The Knight is a better all-rounder, while also being more durable and faster.

The Baneblade kit can focus on a specific role, with magnetization, and have a longer range. Also you can get ranged StrD with the Volcano cannon variant.

Is the hellhammer variant even worth taking? I see a lot of people who play a baneblade always go with that volcano cannon.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Also you can get ranged StrD with the Volcano cannon variant.

The Shadowsword, for anyone who didn't know.

Baneblade. It looks better, and if anyone in a pickup game yells "CHEESE", you can point out that if anything, the Baneblade is slightly overcosted.

Use said 'blade to rampage around the table, running over troops, bashing through terrain, blowing up large chunks of enemy forces and being a big general problem, while the rest of your army does more specific things.


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 Resin Glazed Guardsman wrote:
Is the hellhammer variant even worth taking? I see a lot of people who play a baneblade always go with that volcano cannon.

Yes. I say that, but I face mechanized MEQ lists.

But turreted psuedo Str D is terrifying, and anyone who uses cover save shenanigans can kiss your beautiful panzer-division arse.

 Selym wrote:
But turreted psuedo Str D is terrifying, and anyone who uses cover save shenanigans can kiss your beautiful panzer-division arse.

Pseudo? I'm pretty sure the Shadowsword's cannon is ACTUALLY Strength D, it's the first D-weapon I ever heard of actually and it was what introduced me to the concept.

The Shadowsword isn't a turret.

The Hellhammer's Inferno Cannon of Str10 Ap1 ignores cover is.

As a tread head I have to say the Baneblades look awesome and are fun to put together. And you can magnetize just about the whole damn thing.

Gaming wise, an IK maybe better, but you will find opponents much more agreeable to the Baneblade and uttering 'CHEESE' much less often.

Of course, if you magnetise your Baneblade, learn your tanks. Remember which turrent goes with which combination of "Bane", "Hell", "Shadow", "Storm", "Hammer", "Blade", "Sword", or "Lord". And be aware that some combinations can be made with the kit, some are FW models, and some don't yet exist.

 SickSix wrote:
As a tread head I have to say the Baneblades look awesome and are fun to put together. And you can magnetize just about the whole damn thing.

Gaming wise, an IK maybe better, but you will find opponents much more agreeable to the Baneblade and uttering 'CHEESE' much less often.

This is my thought as well, although I think the guys in my FLGS are relatively ok with running LoW above 2k pt games as it seems. The chaos player yesterday used a proxy for the lord of skulls and literally stomped my inquisition detachment to death...

Long story short I'm salty as gak...

Try the Shadowsword. Let his Lord of Skulls eat Volcano rounds from across the table.

 CrashGordon94 wrote:

 Selym wrote:
But turreted psuedo Str D is terrifying, and anyone who uses cover save shenanigans can kiss your beautiful panzer-division arse.

Pseudo? I'm pretty sure the Shadowsword's cannon is ACTUALLY Strength D, it's the first D-weapon I ever heard of actually and it was what introduced me to the concept.

The Hellhammer has a turret with this:

36" Range // Str 10 // Ap 1 // 7" Blast, Ignores Cover, Primary 1


The Shadowsword gets a hull mounted D cannon. With 120" range, and a 5" blast.

I voted Imperial Knight, but really it might help to let us know what kinda LOWs are you facing?

 Selym wrote:
The Shadowsword gets a hull mounted D cannon. With 120" range, and a 5" blast.

So the Volcano Cannon is real D (not sure what "pseudo D" would actually be...)? That's all I disputed in his post.

 CrashGordon94 wrote:

 Selym wrote:
The Shadowsword gets a hull mounted D cannon. With 120" range, and a 5" blast.

So the Volcano Cannon is real D (not sure what "pseudo D" would actually be...)? That's all I disputed in his post.

The Hellhammer is "Psuedo D".
There's a reason I quoted the question about their viability.

In some ways the Hellhammer cannon is more reliable than D. It's essentially Str D-1, as it's literally the strongest possible shot in the game, barring actual D and larger blasts.

Id go with the bane blade. everyone and there dog has a imperial knight.

Id go with the shadow sword and hope for miracle 6s.

 Resin Glazed Guardsman wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
As a tread head I have to say the Baneblades look awesome and are fun to put together. And you can magnetize just about the whole damn thing.

Gaming wise, an IK maybe better, but you will find opponents much more agreeable to the Baneblade and uttering 'CHEESE' much less often.

This is my thought as well, although I think the guys in my FLGS are relatively ok with running LoW above 2k pt games as it seems. The chaos player yesterday used a proxy for the lord of skulls and literally stomped my inquisition detachment to death...

Long story short I'm salty as gak...

Prepare to get more salty - Did he stomp you? 'Cause if he did, he needs to recheck his rules as the LoS can't stomp, only thunderblitz, which is pretty terrible.

So far I've only really seen a bunch of knights. One guy runs the formation of 3 of them, I avoid playing against him lol. Pretty sure one of the necron players there have an obelisk, there was some kind of huge tyranid thing with 4 legs that looked like a daddy long legs...

So a majority I would say is people running IK's.

If you play guard, you know you gotta live that Baneblade life. It's too good a fit, efficiency be damned!

I may end up going with the baneblade first, I just love the look of the thing. At least it looks more intimidating than a knight... It also has 9 hp opposed to the knights 6 correct?

And that hell hammer cannon....

 Resin Glazed Guardsman wrote:
I may end up going with the baneblade first, I just love the look of the thing. At least it looks more intimidating than a knight... It also has 9 hp opposed to the knights 6 correct?

And that hell hammer cannon....

Give 'em a good licking with it, but prepare to get mobile. The Hellhammer variant works best on the move, and it's going to need active support.

The poll results are very interesting, I thought the IK was going to be ahead by a landslide but its pretty even.

Before you make it, look up how to magnetize the barrels!

Already bought a set of modelling magnets off the bay

Score 1 for the Guard