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Hi! (yep, first post here)

I'm thinking about starting playing, and so far the fluffiest army for me seems to be Imperial Guard (with close runner up of mechanicus and eldar taking 3rd spot). I will probably get cadian defence force as a startup and then extend it with wyvern, platoon, reg advisors and another LRBT, some HWT (after I get "feeling" of army and decide which HWT will be best for me), and mayby this stationary FW guns emplecements.

My question is, are there any rumors/news about new IG codex (or any major rules update) ? I would not like to end in situation when most of my initial (and very small) army get complete redesign/change so it may invalide few of my purchases (which could be costly for someone starting this hobby).
Bonus question: are there any IG specific formations ? (except CAD which I do not yet fully understand)

note:
-Yes I know the wh40k is expensive and new rules (even for different armies) may force me to use different models.
-Yes I've looked into few topics here about IG (notably: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/840/651867.page and http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/658559.page )

"Thank you from the mountain"

Tau are up next on the update schedule. After that there's only Chaos Marines, IG, and Tyranids left to update. Rumors state that there might be a kroot codex sometime next year in the early months.

Tau looks like it will be starting in about 2 months for its 7th ed update. Rumors pain them anywhere from a small typical 7th update to one of the largest updates so far.

As for when the IG will get their codex? No idea. I expect we won't know who's after Tau until we are close to their release.

If they somehow mess up your codex again your going to be in a rough spot. I just want you to know. In 10 games my friend has only won once with the AM codex. Against a very neutered ork list. Even by 40k standards his victory was pretty darn close.

I would suggest that sticking with the "old standards" tend to prevent buyers remorse when a new codex hits.

General Troop Stuff
Troops will never go out of style so that should not be a problem.
Heavy weapons squads you will need for some of your squads to have so a no-brainer there too.
Figuring out getting melta or plasma special weapons troopers will be important.
Chimera's are a safe bet since they have been the go-to troop transport.

Heavy
The new Leman Russ model kits (Normal and "Demolisher") you may want one of each for now and magnet-up the guns on them. Can't go wrong.
I have in my gallery the "Demolisher Magnet Convert" this is the best tank for magnets, it is like is was made for them.
The Wyvern is a new model so should be around, it is the new "cheese" so it may get nerfed next codex: this is a bit of a roll of the dice.

HQ
Regimental Advisors are really cool but as metal models I am unsure how long they will be around... you may want to hold off here.
Many of these are metal so you can never be quite sure they will not disappear.
Pask I doubt would be removed from history so he would be worth picking up even for just a confident looking tank commander.

Anyway, this is my advice if I was starting out with a new Codex ready to drop and you can happily put some guys together.
Good luck!

So I would be better with dropping IG and deciding to start with mechanicus ?

eciu wrote:
So I would be better with dropping IG and deciding to start with mechanicus ?

Only you can answer that, whether you want homogenized steampunk or last war modern forces.

If you look, there are roughly a dozen official IG regiment types, each with their own distinct infantry models, from generic Cadians, to classic metal Tallarn and Mordian, to exotic resin Elysian. I say non-Cadian guard, and you can search eBay for a nice deal.

As above, the classic stuff (platoons, Chimera, Russ, Valk) never goes out of style. Get 50 troopers, a handful of tanks, and you're good to start.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

eciu wrote:
So I would be better with dropping IG and deciding to start with mechanicus ?

Only you can answer that, whether you want homogenized steampunk or last war modern forces.

If you look, there are roughly a dozen official IG regiment types, each with their own distinct infantry models, from generic Cadians, to classic metal Tallarn and Mordian, to exotic resin Elysian. I say non-Cadian guard, and you can search eBay for a nice deal.

As above, the classic stuff (platoons, Chimera, Russ, Valk) never goes out of style. Get 50 troopers, a handful of tanks, and you're good to start.

I have mostly in mind a problem of "take IG prepare to lose 95% of games". I'm mostly picking an army for fluff (not that I want to win often), but it would be nice to have at least small hopes of winning when i start deploy models.

eciu wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

eciu wrote:
So I would be better with dropping IG and deciding to start with mechanicus ?

Only you can answer that, whether you want homogenized steampunk or last war modern forces.

If you look, there are roughly a dozen official IG regiment types, each with their own distinct infantry models, from generic Cadians, to classic metal Tallarn and Mordian, to exotic resin Elysian. I say non-Cadian guard, and you can search eBay for a nice deal.

As above, the classic stuff (platoons, Chimera, Russ, Valk) never goes out of style. Get 50 troopers, a handful of tanks, and you're good to start.

I have mostly in mind a problem of "take IG prepare to lose 95% of games". I'm mostly picking an army for fluff (not that I want to win often), but it would be nice to have at least small hopes of winning when i start deploy models.

If your opponent has even the slightest tactical acumen and ability to see what units are better in their codex than others. Your not going to have a good chance of winning.

If your not good at any or all of these things strategy, tactics, and army building you could be in trouble. My friend has none of that at all and plays guard. So he's about as easy to roll over as a puppy dog begging for a treat.

I've had to constantly neuter my Tau army and play weak armies against him and still roll him. The only time he has ever won was against a pants on head slowed ork army that my friend was just messing around with. He won, his first victory in ten games.

However there is a decent chance your new 7th codex is relatively speaking around the corner. If you want to gamble on it coming out "soon" and it being better than this. It would have to try to be worse.

Edit
I've had to stop playing my Tau against most of my friends and take up DE. More of a challenge for me.

eciu wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

eciu wrote:
So I would be better with dropping IG and deciding to start with mechanicus ?

Only you can answer that, whether you want homogenized steampunk or last war modern forces.

If you look, there are roughly a dozen official IG regiment types, each with their own distinct infantry models, from generic Cadians, to classic metal Tallarn and Mordian, to exotic resin Elysian. I say non-Cadian guard, and you can search eBay for a nice deal.

As above, the classic stuff (platoons, Chimera, Russ, Valk) never goes out of style. Get 50 troopers, a handful of tanks, and you're good to start.

I have mostly in mind a problem of "take IG prepare to lose 95% of games". I'm mostly picking an army for fluff (not that I want to win often), but it would be nice to have at least small hopes of winning when i start deploy models.

I'm not sure AdMech is necessarily more competitive, nor does it necessarily meet your goals of Fluff. The nice thing about Imperium forces is that you can mix relatively freely. If you're worried about the W/L ratio, just add a couple Knight Titans to balance the power level. That wasn't entirely facetious, BTW. Guard for bulk and Knights for killing isn't a bad mix.

IMO, the ultimate pleasure with IG is the customization it allows. Pretty much anything holding a rifle can be a Guardsmen, from Napoleonic Grenadiers to Sicfi GI or WWII Fallschirmjagers. Just let you imagination wanders because few armies would let do this. Personnally, I choose Modern Russians and I'm having a blast. Don't stick with dull AM codex, wherein it's hard to find enjoyment in fluff and creativity.

Likewise, it's sure it's quite difficult to come up with something competitive if you play pure IG. But, again, with some imagination, you can build very nice lists. I don't mean ultimate WAAC brutal things but still, nice lists. You should have a look to Forgeworld stuff and think about the infinite possibilities given by Imperial allies, from Inquisition agents to Imperial Knights. If your ambition is high, you can reach for higher goals ingame I think

Also keep in mind that the competitiveness of your gaming scene will quite likely vary drastically from what you read here. The 'problem' with discussing Warhammer Tactics on an Internet forum is that the discussion tends to assume that you will be playing in an ultra-competitive tournament environment where the only units worth taking are the ones that are over-powered.

An IG army will fold to an Eldar army of nothing but Farseer/Warlock conclave, Scatter Bikes and Wraithknights (then again, so will most armies), but it will have a much better time against an army made up of foot-slogging Aspect Warriors, maybe some Falcons and War Walkers for support and led by an Autarch.

The biggest single concern you should have when choosing an army is "Do you like the models?". Because you're going to be spending alot of your time assembling and painting them, so regardless of their performance on the tabletop you need to like the physical models themselves.

Especially because IG is always a very long project! Many foot soldiers, many vehicules, etc... You'll need quite a lot of minis compared to other factions to reach 1500 or 1850 pts cap.

You can always cheat. No one is going to notice if a blob has actual 45 people or 40. Or add +1 to some of the weak options.
If you say that an IG mortar is +1str few will want to see the rules, as even with the cheat they are bad and no one playing good armies could imagine that something as bad as an IG mortar can exist. You can also cheat on points. a 25pts ogryn is still bad, but much better then a 50pts one. Giving all your chimeras a SB for free can work too, although people do tend to check the price of weapon upgrades.

I hope I'll never play against somebody like you Makumba. Idk if ypu you actually cheat but the mere fact of saying smthg like this to newbie says much about you.

Makumba wrote:
You can always cheat. No one is going to notice if a blob has actual 45 people or 40. Or add +1 to some of the weak options.
If you say that an IG mortar is +1str few will want to see the rules, as even with the cheat they are bad and no one playing good armies could imagine that something as bad as an IG mortar can exist. You can also cheat on points. a 25pts ogryn is still bad, but much better then a 50pts one. Giving all your chimeras a SB for free can work too, although people do tend to check the price of weapon upgrades.

Of course first guy talking about "bedning the rules" have to be polish.

If I would lose horribly to everyone I would probably ask for a few "advantageus" home rules with people that I know I will loose with.

eciu wrote:

Makumba wrote:
You can always cheat.

Of course first guy talking about "bedning the rules" have to be polish.

The funny thing is that the stereotype used to be Italian.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

eciu wrote:

Makumba wrote:
You can always cheat.

Of course first guy talking about "bedning the rules" have to be polish.

The funny thing is that the stereotype used to be Italian.

We (poles) may have some similar attiude towards rules and obligations as italians (unfortunetaly) :(

eciu wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

eciu wrote:

Makumba wrote:
You can always cheat.

Of course first guy talking about "bedning the rules" have to be polish.

The funny thing is that the stereotype used to be Italian.

We (poles) may have some similar attiude towards rules and obligations as italians (unfortunetaly) :(

The one universal rule you cannot break is that you cannot into space.

As for the op the guard is weak compared to just about every other codex right now. This does not neccessarily have to be a problem. Find a good group of people to play with and play narrativly. Customize your force around a specific role and create rules that fit them. A good group will play for the story, the characters and events that play out on the battle field. Most importantly it is about you and your friend having fun and making stories. Do not let a book dissuade you as you should have friends that fill in the holes in the dex. Just dont play pick up games. Have fun.

The one universal rule you cannot break is that you cannot into space.

Odd I always though that Chermaszewski went to space.

I hope I'll never play against somebody like you Makumba. Idk if ypu you actually cheat but the mere fact of saying smthg like this to newbie says much about you.

Sarcasms is probably seen as something different in different countries. What I wanted to show was, that even if someone did cheat on points or on rules, it wouldn't matter because of how bad IG stuff is, it is so bad that most people wouldn't expect it to be that bad and the cheat version would be seen as something normal and offten still rather weak. You realy think that if ogryns suddenly cost 50% less, people would notice the change or if a mortar heavy weapon team was str 5?

If I would lose horribly to everyone I would probably ask for a few "advantageus" home rules with people that I know I will loose with.

And I don't. We play the game RAW here.

As for the op the guard is weak compared to just about every other codex right now. This does not neccessarily have to be a problem. Find a good group of people to play with and play narrativly. Customize your force around a specific role and create rules that fit them. A good group will play for the story, the characters and events that play out on the battle field. Most importantly it is about you and your friend having fun and making stories. Do not let a book dissuade you as you should have friends that fill in the holes in the dex. Just dont play pick up games. Have fun.

I see an odd logic to this, unless it would be only the IG player that was allowed to "invent/totaly not cheating" own rules for models. The way I see it if two people would start doing it and one had a good codex and the other had a bad one, the one with the good codex would always be at an adventage, because his army would have more synergy, more carry unit for weaker ones and more ways to deal with specific scenarios.

Sarcasms is probably seen as something different in different countries. What I wanted to show was, that even if someone did cheat on points or on rules, it wouldn't matter because of how bad IG stuff is, it is so bad that most people wouldn't expect it to be that bad and the cheat version would be seen as something normal and offten still rather weak. You realy think that if ogryns suddenly cost 50% less, people would notice the change or if a mortar heavy weapon team was str 5?

It's not a matter of country, rather the issues of the interpretation of raw sentences with no smileys or stuff like this. Anyway, strange kind of sportmanship from you.