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I'll echo the majority here.

The Talon is terribad, it looks like it belongs in a Happy Meal, not a premium $45 kit. I don't think I could stomach buying any, although I own 3 SM armies.

The Bommers are nice enough, although I wish they were more angular, like the FW version, to be more easily replicated in plasticard. Like others, I worry about the seeming lack of anti-tank options. I'll get 2-3 kits for sure.

The Scythe is pretty cool if you don't mind the croissant shape, but we've had many years to get used to that. If I played Necrons, I wouldn't have any problem buying these.


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Oh, I'm probably not the only one thinking this... WHO DO I HAVE TO KILL TO SEE PAGE 70?

LunaHound wrote:Beast of War rocks, boo the haters that had no faith :3

does anyone know the price for these? ( too lazy to DL 17 pages of price increase )

yeah can anyone tell us what the prices will be? I actually think the ork one is the best.. the scythe just looks awkward.. and booo for no voidraven

Not a fan of the Storm Talon, though I love the Scythe. The Orc jets are safe enough standard plane designs to be appreciated by most.

Shame about the Talon, I really wanted to like that

Where are the rules!?

So Space Marines get the GI Joe Skyhawk and the Orks get the Cobra Rattler?

Maybe this is actually the "Summer of models inspired by old toys" and instead of a flyer the Eldar will get Dino-Rider Exodites.

Feth me, that Stormtalon is atrocious!

Chapterhouse, if you're reading this...can you please engage a sculptor to do a conversion kit...QUICK!

Padre^.

A slight improvement for that flying brick:

The more I see it, the more I like that goldfish shaped ship.

I have to say that the Storm Talon has grown on me.

I do think that the bottom turret is way to large for the model, but I kind of respect GW for picking a theme for Marine flyers that matches the rest of their vehicles and totally running with it.

When the Thunderhawk was the only SM flyer, I always wondered where the heck the SM air superiority craft were. Surely they couldn't always count on Navy air support during planetary invasions so I knew by the fluff they had to have something. Then FW produced the Land Speeder Tempest and that kind of fit the bill, but always felt compared to the rest of FW's flyers that it seemed totally outgunned and outclassed by every other faction, which is *not* how marines are supposed to go into battle, whether on land or in the air.

So when the Stormraven came out, as much as its ridiculous proportions scream that it could never actually fly, it works to me because it represents exactly how marines go to war: They don't have agility or stealth, they just have superior armor and guns and they're willing to trade blows with you knowing that they can take it but you won't be able to.

As Jes said in the WD introducing the Stormraven, its just looks like a flying 'fist' or even a brick, because that's the fighting mentality of the Space Marine in 40k.

So to me the Storm Talon is the perfect fit to this concept. Its is ALL armor and guns in a ridiculous package that could only fly if its engines just provide an insane amount of thrust to the point where the thing is pretty much like a guided rocket...and that's really how all the SM flyers from the Stormraven to the Thunderhawk would have to function because they are so aerodynamically preposterous.


So yeah, I'm a big fan of the Storm Talon and all its ridiculousness...it works for the same reason Space Marine power armor with giant shoulder pads and leg protection works as well. It is OTT goodness!

I actually like the Stormtalon. Sadly it only seems to be for Codex: Space Marines. Would have loved to make a 'GK Air Cav' list with a Stormraven and 2 Stormtalon escorts. Heck, more than 2 Fast Attack options would have been nice.

Alas, it was not to be so. :(

Darksied's simple conversion has saved it. It instantly looks 100% better without that ridiculous under-hang and I might actually considering buy one or three.

I like the Stormtalon. It doesn't look a lot like other Marine vehicles, maybe that's why. The asthetic reminds me of gunships from Avatar or Mass Effect.

And another Ork vehicle that looks perfectly fine on it's own, but I just HAVE to convert it! I just don't know how yet.

The Talon is pathetic. The underslung gun is way too big, and the boxes for the other weapons are oversized. It looks comically bad.

The Necron ones are fine. I neither like nor dislike them. There's nothing wrong with them.

The Ork Bombaz are great! Love 'em!

So....

Goldfish, Croissant, Fighta Bomba!

The Ork flier looks like the old Fighta-Bomma from 3rd edition, very Orky. The Necron flier looks precisely like the illustrations in the codex. The Talon does fit the aethestic of the Thunderhawk and Stormraven, but the weapons pods do look a bit out of scale. And did anyone notice the front landing gear is part of the assault cannon carriage? If us Dark Angels get these, I may have some redesigning to do... Caliban-pattern?

Man. I just may buy a few Ork Bommas to convert into Imperial Navy planes.

The Storm Talon looks like it's going to nose dive with that big old autocannon on its nose.

I realy like the Scythe and the Ork fightas/bombas.
I think the Bomba is great with the array of bombs under its wings and the little rotating turret on its back.

Less convinced on the Storm Talon, it might grow on me however like the Storm Raven did. Who knows.

I dont really get what people problem is with the telon. Its way better tham the raven in terms of looks imho. People hate it because it has too many guns for a frame its size?

DarkStarSabre wrote:So....

Goldfish, Croissant, Fighta Bomba!

With the magic of paint...

Probably just a proportionality and/or aesthetic thing.

Some people love for example the DE ravager as a model, I dont but thats simply aesthetics

The_Solitaire wrote:Darksied's simple conversion has saved it. .

Only from the front. It still leaves it ridiculously front heavy. Moving the engines as I mentioned before might help that, but i'm holding off judgement there until I see the actual kit.

I really like the ork flyers, take a close look at them, they are obviously very versatile kits, with a lot of features different between each flyers. I appreciate that, ork vehicles should look individual.

So we've all commented on the actual models of the craft... has anyone seen anything about the supplementary rules for playing fliers and/or the codex entries for them yet?

Ledabot wrote:I dont really get what people problem is with the telon. Its way better tham the raven in terms of looks imho. People hate it because it has too many guns for a frame its size?

No, just because the guns ate hideously oversized even by space marine standards and the engines are too far behind the apparent centre of gravity for it to be remotely feasible as a hover-capable unit. The Storm Raven at least had balancing jets.

The fact that it lands on its forward guns with nothing apparently to hold up the rear doesn't help, either.

Orlanth wrote:I really like the ork flyers, take a close look at them, they are obviously very versatile kits, with a lot of features different between each flyers. I appreciate that, ork vehicles should look individual.

Not to mention if you really wanted to you could merge a trukk or battlewagon (face it at one point during the flyer's life an Ork would have at least attempted to ram something with it ) into it.

What if you removed those huge assault cannons and used ones from the Land Speeder. The are smaller and still have the right look. I agree that the bottom turret is too big. And I like the idea of changing around some of the components. I like it, I just think we can make it look better.

Ledabot wrote:I dont really get what people problem is with the telon. Its way better tham the raven in terms of looks imho. People hate it because it has too many guns for a frame its size?

I hate both it and the Stormraven because their fuselages are too short. They don't need to be as long as real aeroplanes, but they need to not look like stubby playschool toys.

The Talon is horrible. It's a fundamentally broken design and I'm not sure if it can be salvaged at all. The Raven, despite having a ton of unnecessary stuff attached for no good reason and being generally unbalanced, was at least in line with the overall design aesthetic for SM vehicles - a box on legs/tracks/wings. This thing isn't. Not even close. The angles are all over the place, the canopy looks ridiculous (and out of place for a SM vehicle), the weapons are hideously inflated.

It's a disaster, pure and simple. The worst vehicle GW ever made.

So... anyone else planning on converting the maddest ork flyboy to ever take to the skies?

Isn't it the same canopy as the Stormraven? Like, literally the same bit?